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ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer homosaur: man, just got my ubuntu server partially up and running. i love having full access to my server again. ***: vtoms has joined #arpnetworks
fink has joined #arpnetworks dxtr: homosaur: Wat? homosaur: i was on some bs shared hosting package for awhile to save some money to work on some rails apps. it was an absolute nightmare, and i'm spending less per month with arp fink: yea shared is generally not great dxtr: Hehe
I'm totally happy with arp. The only problem I've got is the distance (Around 170ms ping and like.. ~500KB/s speeds) bob^^: that's my only issue too dxtr
(i'm in the UK)
apart from that, works great: ) dxtr: But my connection to the VPS died a couple of times today!
both from home and from school ***: fink has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
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vtoms has joined #arpnetworks dxtr: Guys fink: Girls RandalSchwartz: girls? where? ***: Pv1 has joined #arpnetworks Pv1: hello ***: vtoms has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) Pv1: anyone know when obsd 4.7 will be offered? -: RandalSchwartz says goodbye to obsd, never looking back RandalSchwartz: seven years with obsd, started using fbsd, never happier!
do you have a particular reason for obsd? Pv1: personal preference RandalSchwartz: sure. based on what?
it's *always* a personal preference. :) Pv1: security RandalSchwartz: yeah - that's mostly why I picked it over the years
then I saw how much time and energy freebsd was putting into security, and how much *other* stuff I was giving up, and switched
zfs on / is hard to beat
freebsd ports is *huge* dxtr: RandalSchwartz: I'm using obsd on my router :P RandalSchwartz: yeah - that's where it belongs
between you and the world :) dxtr: RandalSchwartz: Btw, I heard you're one of those perl guys. I just wanna say that I made my first (real) perl script today! :D RandalSchwartz: only 22 years after I did. :) dxtr: You can at least cheer :( RandalSchwartz: I was. I was happy there for a moment. dxtr: Until you realized I suck? :D RandalSchwartz: so then I decided to say something clever. -: Pv1 steers clear of the OS war. RandalSchwartz: Uh - I'd be cheering if it was about numbers. Pv1: Any arp folks around? RandalSchwartz: I'm happy you have the choice of langauges. And I'm happy that you got Perl to work for you.
However, I'm about the same level of happy if you had said Python or Ruby or even csh.
since the specific language of choice doesn't matter much to me now
maybe that's me just getting old and cynical dxtr: RandalSchwartz: You're so naive. Ofcourse the choice of language matters. I don't wanna hang out with those Python geeks -: dxtr shivers RandalSchwartz: heh dxtr: They're cold
RandalSchwartz: http://www.dxtr.cc/~dexter/radiotjanst.pl.txt go ahead and bash it :D
I know it's in Swedish - but still! RandalSchwartz: I would have just used LWP::Simple
instead of HTTP::Lite
and you need to check the return from open() dxtr: Hmm.. LWP::Simple
Ahh! LWP::Simple::Mirror? :)
Seems awesome
Though saving the entire page doesn't seem that awesome RandalSchwartz: no no. just LWP::Simple;
use LWP::Simple qw(get);
my $contents = get "http:...";
far easier :) dxtr: Yeah, but for a short minute there the mirror function looked like a good idea RandalSchwartz: shiny objects. :) dxtr: s/looked/seemed/
Hehe awyeah: ... ***: vtoms has joined #arpnetworks dxtr: RandalSchwartz: Suddensly it stopped working when I used LWP::Simple :D
Same content, same regex ***: amdprophet has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) dxtr: hmm.. Utf-8 problems ***: schmir has joined #arpnetworks
greg_dolley has joined #arpnetworks greg_dolley: hello all dxtr: Hello
RandalSchwartz: In short: LWP::Simple doesn't seem to like UTF-8 :P
Nothing that 'use utf8;' didn't solve though
So nevermind! up_the_irons: I installed Ubuntu, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD on my new Atom box. I think I'm sticking with OpenBSD. It was the only one where I could do the whole install over the serial port without doing anything special
and when it asks if I want to change the default console to "com0", after install, it really does it through and through. Like, it'll be sure to run a getty for you on /dev/tty00 because it figures you'd probably want that ;) everything else you have to set it up manually
s/everything else/the other OS's I tried/ dxtr: Call me retarded, but how do a serial console work? :) fink: dxtr: there's a freebsd page on it dxtr: really? fink: dxtr: no, i'm totally lying dxtr: Right up_the_irons: dxtr: it is used a lot for out of band access, and kernel development debugging, but I only use it for the former dxtr: up_the_irons: I mainly asked *HOW* it worked. But still :) up_the_irons: dxtr: you can manage a server over the serial port instead of using monitor / kb (which you won't have if your server is remote). This excludes IPMI of course. dxtr: I know that far up_the_irons: dxtr: tell the system to use serial port as console instead of monitor / kb, then you connect with some terminal program
minicom, or kermit
when i connect it straight into my laptop bob^^: it's especially good if the hardware supports it properly so you can get into the bios over serial too up_the_irons: or conserver when it is remote
bob^^: yeah i can get bios over serial on the atom bob^^: perfect :) up_the_irons: yup bob^^: supermicro tend to do a pretty good job on stuff like that :D up_the_irons: yeah, i'm very happy dxtr: up_the_irons: Abuot conserver
About*
How do one set that up? I've been thinking of something like that for my router bob^^: what os are you running dxtr ? dxtr: bob^^: obsd bob^^: ah up_the_irons: i tried both CF-SATA as hard disk and WD Caviar Green 1TB. The CF-SATA was flaky, but used virtually no power. the WD green drive used about 7W when active, 2-3W when idle. so not bad for 1TB dxtr: I mostly need to know what hardware I've gotta buy :) bob^^: no hardware up_the_irons: dxtr: how long is a piece of string? your question has no direct answer bob^^: just need a serial port on the server, and a serial port on your desktop/laptop/whatever
nice power usage on that WD drive up_the_irons :D fink: up_the_irons: what was the cf's capacity? bob^^: dxtr: not sure how relevant this will be for openbsd but it might give you an idea of how it works/how it's achieved on freebsd: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/serialconsole-setup.html dxtr: Oh, nevermind me by the way! :) I'm not thinking right now ***: Ehtyar has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) up_the_irons: bob^^: yeah, i'm impressed with the power. but unless i need the space, i want to get it < 1W
bob^^: so my buddy just lent me his 64G SSD
gonna see how that works tonight
fink: 8GB fink: up_the_irons: what will you use this low power system for? up_the_irons: fink: nagios, openvpn, and conserver fink: ahc ool up_the_irons: yeah fink: i'm into domotics bob^^: nice, i'd be interested to hear how the SSD is on power RandalSchwartz: I wonder if a buglabs device will run non-linux? up_the_irons: bob^^: i'll let you know bob^^: cool :) ***: vtoms has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)
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schmir has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) homosaur: so i haven't needed a mail server in awhile and when i did it was still back when sendmail was a security nightmare. any suggestion on mail software nowadays? RandalSchwartz: I run postfix + dovecot
and postgrey and amavisd-new
between those, most of my spam is stopped
postfix has good security, and *sane* config files
but still more knobs than you can ever master in a lifetime fink: postfix is pretty stable, but the config requires a shitload of research/reading RandalSchwartz: only if you're doing something unusual
out of the box, it's an ok leafnode up_the_irons: i use qmail myself, but would not wish that nightmare upon anyone else. fink: RandalSchwartz: i guess i just need to know what everything does RandalSchwartz: if you want to relay or something, it's a bit harder homosaur: postfix was what i have run before, but i want to make sure that it hadn't regressed in quality RandalSchwartz: it's very up to date
lots of recent changes fink: up_the_irons: i love tinydns/dnscache, but qmail freaks me out RandalSchwartz: Wietse is a good guy up_the_irons: almost everyone i know runs postfix
fink: it's pretty scary RandalSchwartz: I should get him on FLOSS.
we've had beers together fink: RandalSchwartz: he's polish? up_the_irons: fink: but stable and reliable
RandalSchwartz: yeah, you should get him on homosaur: RandalSchwartz: if anyone can spend and hour interviewing someone about mail servers, it would be you, mate
RandalSchwartz: by the way, i heard about arp from you on twitter, love the service. spending almost half as much as my last vps host RandalSchwartz: homosaur - good for you
see up_the_irons? they follow me. :) bob^^: exim is pretty good
needs a bit of learning to configure, but it's always done everything i need (and a lot more)
and with a decent spamassassin/clamav combo it filters out most spam too up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: oh I believe it :) fink: i want to do something with lamson next bob^^: hmm
a mail exchanger in python :/
surely performance will suck mike-burns: Python can be fast. bob^^: no real experience for me, just assuming it'll be slow given it's interpreted RandalSchwartz: all the mail has to be properly indented.
YAML preferred. :) fink: bob^^: you're probably right bob^^: if you want something where the config is pretty much a script file, exim isn't far from that fink: bob^^: but i'm just not going to do any more C , period bob^^: heh, can't blame you there :) fink: life is too short mike-burns: Haskell is as fast as C. OCaML comes pretty close.
You're not stuck with C if you want speed. RandalSchwartz: JITted smalltalk is close to C bob^^: i still like pascal mike-burns: Oh yeah, Smalltalk is fast too. fink: mike-burns: i want clean, indented ease ;) ***: woland has joined #arpnetworks
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nbari has joined #arpnetworks nbari: Hi, any of the arpnetworks staff here ? amdprophet: nbari: up_the_irons is but he's most likely busy nbari: i see
they take also a lot to responde for support ? amdprophet: no, we've always been supported quite fast, you need to e-mail support though nbari: maybe they are rich since for billing take a lot to respond :D ***: fink has joined #arpnetworks
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SamSneed has joined #arpnetworks SamSneed: hi - potential new ARP VPS customer here. Can I ask a few questions?
anyone?
I guess not. ***: SamSneed has left
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