RandalSchwartz: thanks for your help re: zfs, i've got everything running on the 768 vps, seems to be fine so far cool! install zfs-snapshot-mgmt too then you get auto snapshots ok how do you get zfs on / installed on the vps? you boot from the CD, follow the instructions fink just did this... he has experience based on my experience haha I've done it twice now :) okay, that is my misunderstanding, I don't have a vps yet, didn't realize you could boot from a cd yes - a virtual Freebsd-8 release CD is always installed j3m: yea i didn't know either. arpnetworks should have a wiki! then we can post our experiences so you can "boot" from it if something hoses on your maindrive that is handy :) this cuts down on Garry's support time for those of us who know is zfs io performance okay on vps? I mean compared to zfs single disk or a 2-disk mirror on real hardware? fast enough for me. :) keep in mind, the underlying disk is raid already so you don't need to use raidz but the snapshots and other things are worth the trip j3m: speed was not my major concern, as much as the other benefits of zfs, such as management/backups I've been using it locally and zfs + jails is very nice j3m: yea, exactly i'm only worried about using it with under 1gig of ram zfs adjusts automatically for that yeah, box here has 1.5 it used to require some sysctl tuning now it just works RandalSchwartz: oh ok, cool. i read about cyschubert's laptop here: http://wiki.freebsd.org/ZFSTuningGuide 8.0 does seem to be a huge improvement anyone ever try to get iredmail working in a jail? j3m: heh, i was just looking at iredmail last night i think i will try it soon I tried here but it really wanted 127.0.0.1 to work tried to manually fix all the configs... but no luck yet RandalSchwartz: do you have any links on not needing to tune for zfs? the handbook still says we should j3m: you're trying the betas? yes, was trying beta3 hmm. something I read googling around for error messages don't remember now might have been a misinterpretation fink: I cloned the Mercurial repository now, going to try and fix the scripts it uses to set things up RandalSchwartz: maybe it applies to hte new stuff in 8.1 j3m: cool, i'd like to know how it goes j3m: are you using ldap or mysql? ldap is required so I am using that it still uses mysql I think as well, can't remember for sure do you have an existing ldap db? no installed on a fresh jail, the setup script installs all the ports it needs the ldap actually worked fine ok I could use the admin web interface to manage email accounts and whatnot it just wasn't able to recieve mail and pass it through all the seperate steps for spam and virus stuff lots of 127.0.0.1 ports involved there j3m: right, that's annoying good thing there's 65,000 ports :) yeah, lol i'm planning on having the mailserver, db, various webservers in different jails, so it will take a lot of hacking, i assume… imagine if the boys at berkely had only given a single byte value for that pays to think ahead well, ipv4 wasn't far enough ahead but who knew that there'd be this many internet machines yeah, supprising IPv4 worked as long as it did fink: I'm doing basically that locally now, but the mailserver part isn't quite there yet... fink: it's not actually that much hacking, most things work fine in jails j3m: i mean, to get all the jails to work with iredmail oh... yeah, if you are going to split that up it might get dicey good luck, lol :) I have never been very good at getting a working mailserver configuration that actually did everything I wanted it to j3m: yea, that's why iredmail looks cool iredmail looks like the easiest way plus it's python, so it's easy to hack, hopefully however, it's meant to be all on one server all you have to do one a clean jail is run it's setup script on* j3m: yea but i don't want the webserver & db & email server etc all running in one jail I didn't like that idea either, but the amount of work to change it seemed too much to bother especially with jails and snapshots as long as those services are all used only for the mail, at least the entire mail system is isolated and I would just firewall off all the ports except smtp and imap ones can use ssh port forwarding to access the web interface when needed at least that's my plan once I get iredmail working... j3m: sounds reasonable Uhm, up_the_irons This is bad. Realbad. Real vad* bad! Christ :P Hum. If I sign my message (GPG) - what does that mean? That I'm including my key and stuff? heh signing only gives enough of a fingerprint to proove it was your key that signed it change one char inside the message, signature is invalid change one char inside the signature, signature is invalid thats all if you understood public key cryptography .. this would be a no brainer ;-) toddf: I thought I did :D Hi all, does anyone know if the arpnetworks VPS accounts include dedicated ipv4 addresses? Will I need to learn ipv6 to use any arpnetworks services? Thanks. Garry should really update his pgp key It was like revoked last year yoberi: yes and no toddf: please do explain! yoberi: http://arpnetworks.com/vps says clearly 'Dedicated IPs' and 'Native IPv6 network' they do include ipv4 addresses, 1 for free, you don't need to learn ipv6, though you should you can use or not your IPv6 allocation should, yes, I like this ;-) Will I be able to host such services as a mail relay (as an offsite backup)? just look at the disk and the mem and the bandiwdth .. if you don't exceed those you're good to go j3m: okay that's sweet. I just need one ipv4 address to tackle my current issues. Would like an excuse to learn ipv6 as well backups might require some thinking given the price of disk but mail seems quite easily doable toddf: I assume you don't have any kind of responsibility? :) dxtr: quite the opposite, own and run my own business, this is `fun' for me toddf: Right I'm really just looking for a backup for when both of our ISPs is down, or the mail server is being serviced yoberi: up to you to configure the system as you wish, you get the mem and disk and bandwidth, and the ability to ask for a different iso to be available if you are not liking what is there by default, and the VPS is yours to do with what you wish (though illegal activity is frowned upon here, otherwise, go have fun) toddf: sounds great-- just what I need to handle backup offsite services. Thanks for the tips/advice. toddf: Hey, could you check my pgp key out? :) 11C1331A - I sent that to a key server at least gpg: requesting key 11C1331A from hkp server keys.gnupg.net gpg: key 11C1331A: public key "Kim Lidström " imported gpg: Total number processed: 1 gpg: imported: 1 (RSA: 1) $ gpg --list-keys 11C1331A pub 4096R/11C1331A 2010-04-05 uid Kim Lidström sub 4096R/DC3E3F11 2010-04-05 toddf: Cool But does that give you my public key? on the console server: what keycombo is this? [Enter `^Ec?' for help] oh, got it nvm ctrl-e followed by 'c' followed by '?' thanks np anyone got an ipad yet? ;) i've got 6 kidding, i wish i had even one Hey, up_the_irons heh, i was gonna try to get bruce schneier to sign my pgp key the other day, but i settled for signing my book LOL lol ROFL met him at a party once wish I would have been less inebriated, lol ah well... j3m: i wish that a lot lol off to chase a tornado, later How the hell does this work!? :( Mutt an gnupg dxtr: something like this - http://codesorcery.net/old/mutt/mutt-gnupg-howto j3m: Yeah, I saw that But I was like "wtf!?" when I sent my friend a key (And vice versa) and all we saw was the signature not sure, never tried gnupg with mutt... dxtr: I usually hit: (p)gp followed by (b)oth (sign and encrypt) up_the_irons: Yeah, well, do I really want to encrypt it before I got his key? :D dxtr: no, you need his pub key to encrypt it for him Exactly Well, we tried to send each other our public keys but all we saw (in mutt) was the signatures But apparently it worked morning dxtr: you should see something like this near the top of the message: [-- The following data is PGP/MIME encrypted --] up_the_irons: Yeah :) up_the_irons - did you feel the quake yesterday? RandalSchwartz: no, was driving at the time I'm happy I wasn't up on the 44th floor 44th floor? I don't think we have that many building with 44 floors here :D hehe buildings On the other hand we have like ~10,000,000 citizens new yorkers? Make that ~9,500,000 Yes - my office is on the 44th floor of the 9th tallest building in LA (Paul Hastings) I'm eye-level with the continuous cop copters :) That's sick I'm getting sick when I'm at the second floor in this apartment .. AND THE KITCHEN IS ON THE SECOND FLOOR wow :D I'm still amazed how my last VPS can reach pretty good speeds (Stockholm<->LA) while my home ISP doesn't To the VPS I've got here that is hej dxtr :) au: Hej? not a swede? Yes I am was saying hello :P Viking, gräv bort skÃ¥ne, etc. True swede \o I know little swedish :P I am from Australia Oh I thought we knew each other or something :P hi admin? sux hi mel lol dont have admin At least he's being mature about it bbl