hi guys. thanks for getting my account setup so quickly :)
how many vcpus does the $20 package come with?
im not familiar with QEMU
oh, and hello
:)
raouldlv: 1 i think?
raouldlv: i just got mine last night
fink: nice
freebsd?
yea, i'm rebuilding the kernel & world now
top -P will show you how many cpus
raouldlv: i can pm you dmesg or pciconf
rebuilding?
cool that would be nice
fink: ^^
ooo rebuilding world? you have access to single user mode?
you do, actually
you have serial console *and* vnc console
raouldlv: yea as randal says there's vnc, but i'm not using it
we'll see what happens ;)
fink: looks like 1cpu :)
yea
but the I/O interrupts happen on a different cpu
so it's actually better
hmmm
i have FreeBSD 8 running on Xen full virt right now
IO bottlenecks :/
I have freebsd 8.0 -p2 with root on ZFS
nothing like booting zfs
can't ever go back to something less now
I'm using zfs-snapshot-auto
guys i thikn im addicted to FreeBSD
err.. zfs-snapshot-mgmt
:)
I keep 10 minute snapshots for 90 minutes
then 30 minute snapshots for 12 hours
then 3-hour snapshots for a week
then daily snapshots for 3 months
all automatic
O_O
and that's for / on down
difficult to set up, RandalSchwartz ?
portinstall -c zfs-snapshot-mgmt
then edit the conf :)
sounds awesome
so if I blow editing an /etc file, I can fetch about 30 different versions of it :)
or my .zshrc
or I install something that breaks things
oh - and my /usr/ports is stored compressed
but my homedir isn't
and I can change my mind later
zfs. rocks.
/usr still UFS?
and /var?
was wondering about mysql performance on ZFS
you can tune quite a few things
change the checksum to a cheap one, for example
would *not* recommend turning it off though
no /usr and /var are zfs
I have *no* ufs on my system
how long have you had arp, RandalSchwartz ?
... http://pastebin.com/VMmg4NR8
only 4 months
you like it?
so far!
I burned my old machine five days ago
so I'm definitely on now
ARP is recommended 100% on webhostingtalk for freebsd
yeah - Garrey's a good guy
oops.  Garry
Garry's the bossman?
yes
he hangs out here
as up_the_irons
ah
and his terminal probably just ping'ed :)
oh you mean when you hilighted up_the_irons ?
:)
this might be a dumb question, but does ARP let you run IRC clients?
of course
it's your box
good :)
some providers dont allow IRC at all
not even clients
:/
of course, you'll have to ensure that your IRC clients obey your agreement
so be careful
as in, your irc server can't be used for forbidden activity
what about torrentzzz?
same thing
wasn't listed in the forbidden
just things like "Illegal"
so as long as you're legal, no worries
keep in mind you have bandwidth limits
oh, I'm 21. Legal
not sure what happens if you blow those
haha
no I mean, legal torrents
yep
yeah it was a joke :)
raouldlv: the general rules seem to be 1) don't do anything illegal, and 2) don't be a retard.  adibe by those and you'll be okay.
yeah
and if you get warned, pay attention
jlgaddis: I like those rules.
RandalSchwartz: you use zfs on arp?
Yes using zfs
booting off zfs for /
 
 
btw, fink, i hate you.
you just suck less than macports
so i use you.
:)
empty lines?
I no longer use "fink" on my laptop
I use macports exclusively
fink were you trying to say someting?
I just got two blank lines from you
 
jlgaddis? :)
my irc client refuses to push just a blank :)
<space><enter> =)
nope - that gets erased
blame emacs. :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-width_non-breaking_space
you could also put in a color code with no text and send, but this channel is +c
no color
and thank god
because my client doens't know color
no emacs color :( ?
irc.el was created before irc had color
it has only a half-assed file transfer as well, so I just disabled it
upgrade to irssi :)
simpler than trying to explain to people that I can't
+tmux
irssi doesn't run inside emacs
thank $deity
lol
parser error: $deity undefined
my $deity = 'FSM';
use constant DEITY => 'FSM';
that's better
Look, you can't all be athiest. One of you has to be athier than the rest.
that's just how superlatives work.
heh
;)
 RandalSchwartz: sorry that came from me doing mergemaster, and went into the wrong window
raouldlv: i freaking love macports, btw
RandalSchwartz: any tips or gotchas for zfs on arpnetworks vps?
follow the instructions precisely
this works - http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot
the only thing is the ether interface is different
oh wait, not referenced there
but yeah, you need to add the right config in /etc/rc.conf
right - echo 'ifconfig_re0="DHCP"' >> /etc/rc.conf
that's not gonna work
add your proper config line
defaultrouter=n.n.n.n
ipv4_addrs_em0=n.n.n.n/n
"em0" is the name of the emulated if
gotcha
thanks
RandalSchwartz: forgive my stupidity, but how did you boot a freebsd install dvd on an arpnetworks vps?
fink - if you ordered a freebsd machine, freebsd 8.0 release disk is in the virtual cdrom permanently
so you "boot" from "cd"
oh
use the console or vnc interface to "reboot"
actually, you can trigger reboot from the web
and then just be sure to press F6 during boot up to select the boot menu
or maybe it was F12
yeah, I think it was F12
do you think those will work ok over a modem connection?
console will
vnc not so much
to get console mode, you have to give your public key to support@
ah ok
well i guess no zfs this weekend then :)
if you submit it, Garry might do it
he works weekends sometimes
or maybe his minions do :)
they work on the weekend?
oh ok
yeah
get your pub key into support@
I think that's how it works
see your login page
yes, looking now
RandalSchwartz: thanks for your help
no problem
people here helped me when I started
just paying it back
i had no idea about the virtual cdrom
was that in a support doc i missed/
I think I asked Garry
as in, I asked him how I was supposed to wipe my disk
and he said "oh, the cdrom is mounted permanently"
that is cool
which also means you always have a rescue disk
you can boot the cd, fix things, then reboot to your HD
yea, exactly
this is far far far better than my previous hosting
more money for less service, capability, etc
what did you use before? i have some stuff on slicehost
sprocketnetworks
I had a dedicated server
never again
I'm really liking the idea of a VPS
heh
yea me too
I won't be the only one bitching if the cpu fails :)
slicehost gives great service
slicehost doesn't offer freebsd configs though
but no freebsd and arp has more than twice the ram for the same price...
I asked them
right
right
actually, the $20/month deal is so incredibly good, I might just buy one of those for a throwaway box
throw an asterisk server on it or something
the only thing i miss about slicehost is the nice dns webadmin
cool
you can install webmin on freebsd :)
i thought about that but the latency from west coast to east coast is too great for a voip thing
does webmin work with djbdns?
insightcruises.com web is on an EC2 box for $120/month
i always do hacky stuff with tinydns & dnscache
insightcruises.com mail/dns is on a $20/month special at ARP
with a lot of spare room
so I'm thinking of moving insightcruises.com web over to ARP
huh cool
save my client $120/month
you run this site or the company too/
so he can pay me instead :)
no - I'm just their CTO
RandalSchwartz: that's your added value
a side benefit is I go on nearly every cruise
that looks really interesting
damn i want to go to patagonia
I have about 330 days at sea :)
more than some of the staff members
nice
366 sea days actually
just updated my spread sheet
51 sailings of geekcruises, and I've been on 47
that is pretty awesome
you've spent a year at sea
do you get net access while you're there?
satellite, 40 cents a minute, 800 ms ping time, 200 kbps typical
but that doesn't stop me from firing up IRC. :)
most shore sites have internet cafes
so I do essential things from the ship, but wait until a 2 hour block of shore time to update my podcasts etc.
i've never been on a cruise; is it overall a fun experience? do you get tired of seeing the same people? how's the food? do you share a room? can you work in your room or are there common areas?
40 cents a minute is bad
yes. no. great. sometimes. yes and/or yes.
40 cents a minute is opportunity cost
you learn to connect, do your stuff, disconnect
and/or share
turns out, you can hub with a few others, and only one needs to connect :)
as it turns out, I spend about $200 for internet for the week
but that's on top of a $1000 room bill, and $500 bar tab :)
so it seems small in comparison
haha
that's a good sized tab
it's not that impressive
well drinks are $5
oh
or more
of course
hey vnc over a modem is actually not bad
ahh, there you go
just beware of sniffing
that's an insecure link
you can go secure once your ssh key is in
i emailed
i'm going to try this zfs install
cool
follow every step exactly
ok
except for the one that says "dhcp"
use your hardwire setup instead
thanks for your help, i'm sure i'll bug you
ok, gotcha
the VPS do *not* get DHCP
learned that the hard way :)
RandalSchwartz: did you use a 4gig swap? or stick with the default 1.5?
i'm assuming it doesn't really matter
just twice your ram
or do i need a bigger swap because of zfs
I left swap at 4G
just because I have 2G of real
but I have 120G of disk
if you have smaller, use smaller swap
I think for insightcruises.com, I used 2G swap
since that's a 20G dis
sorry, watching 7 windows here
not the same as watching Windows 7
hah
thanks
RandalSchwartz: is the freebsd 8 disk included with the vps 8 RELEASE or 8 STABLE? i don't remember
rel
i'm asking because the zfs instructions imply that you don't have to install a zfs aware boot loader with stable
jlgaddis: ok thanks
woohoo it worked