[00:24] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [01:25] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [01:30] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [02:07] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [04:47] *** dbgi has quit IRC () [05:12] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [05:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [06:37] *** TomD_ has joined #arpnetworks [06:37] hi guys. thanks for getting my account setup so quickly :) [07:00] *** TomD_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [08:46] *** Junios has quit IRC () [09:29] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [10:41] *** raouldlv has joined #arpnetworks [10:58] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [11:08] *** raouldlv is now known as \nick [11:09] *** \nick is now known as raouldlv [11:09] *** raouldlv is now known as \nick [11:13] *** \nick is now known as raouldlv [13:17] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [13:27] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [13:32] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [13:33] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [13:42] *** fink has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [14:09] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [14:20] *** amdprophet|sleep has joined #arpnetworks [14:20] *** amdprophet has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [14:23] *** amdprophet has joined #arpnetworks [14:27] *** amdprophet|sleep has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [14:46] *** Sue-sama has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [15:09] *** vtoms has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [15:13] *** cablehead has joined #arpnetworks [15:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o cablehead [16:15] *** cablehead has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [16:31] *** cablehead has joined #arpnetworks [16:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o cablehead [16:52] *** cablehead has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [16:52] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [17:01] how many vcpus does the $20 package come with? [17:01] im not familiar with QEMU [17:02] oh, and hello [17:02] :) [17:04] raouldlv: 1 i think? [17:04] raouldlv: i just got mine last night [17:05] fink: nice [17:05] freebsd? [17:05] yea, i'm rebuilding the kernel & world now [17:06] top -P will show you how many cpus [17:06] raouldlv: i can pm you dmesg or pciconf [17:06] rebuilding? [17:06] cool that would be nice [17:06] fink: ^^ [17:07] ooo rebuilding world? you have access to single user mode? [17:07] you do, actually [17:07] you have serial console *and* vnc console [17:07] raouldlv: yea as randal says there's vnc, but i'm not using it [17:07] we'll see what happens ;) [17:08] fink: looks like 1cpu :) [17:09] yea [17:09] but the I/O interrupts happen on a different cpu [17:09] so it's actually better [17:09] hmmm [17:10] i have FreeBSD 8 running on Xen full virt right now [17:10] IO bottlenecks :/ [17:10] I have freebsd 8.0 -p2 with root on ZFS [17:10] nothing like booting zfs [17:10] can't ever go back to something less now [17:13] I'm using zfs-snapshot-auto [17:13] guys i thikn im addicted to FreeBSD [17:13] err.. zfs-snapshot-mgmt [17:13] :) [17:13] I keep 10 minute snapshots for 90 minutes [17:13] then 30 minute snapshots for 12 hours [17:13] then 3-hour snapshots for a week [17:13] then daily snapshots for 3 months [17:14] all automatic [17:14] O_O [17:14] and that's for / on down [17:14] difficult to set up, RandalSchwartz ? [17:14] portinstall -c zfs-snapshot-mgmt [17:14] then edit the conf :) [17:14] sounds awesome [17:15] so if I blow editing an /etc file, I can fetch about 30 different versions of it :) [17:15] or my .zshrc [17:15] or I install something that breaks things [17:15] oh - and my /usr/ports is stored compressed [17:15] but my homedir isn't [17:16] and I can change my mind later [17:16] zfs. rocks. [17:17] /usr still UFS? [17:17] and /var? [17:18] was wondering about mysql performance on ZFS [17:19] you can tune quite a few things [17:19] change the checksum to a cheap one, for example [17:19] would *not* recommend turning it off though [17:19] no /usr and /var are zfs [17:19] I have *no* ufs on my system [17:20] how long have you had arp, RandalSchwartz ? [17:20] ... http://pastebin.com/VMmg4NR8 [17:20] only 4 months [17:21] you like it? [17:21] so far! [17:21] I burned my old machine five days ago [17:21] so I'm definitely on now [17:23] ARP is recommended 100% on webhostingtalk for freebsd [17:23] yeah - Garrey's a good guy [17:23] oops. Garry [17:23] Garry's the bossman? [17:24] yes [17:24] he hangs out here [17:24] as up_the_irons [17:24] ah [17:24] and his terminal probably just ping'ed :) [17:24] oh you mean when you hilighted up_the_irons ? [17:24] :) [17:25] this might be a dumb question, but does ARP let you run IRC clients? [17:25] of course [17:25] it's your box [17:25] good :) [17:25] some providers dont allow IRC at all [17:25] not even clients [17:26] :/ [17:26] of course, you'll have to ensure that your IRC clients obey your agreement [17:26] so be careful [17:26] as in, your irc server can't be used for forbidden activity [17:27] what about torrentzzz? [17:27] same thing [17:27] wasn't listed in the forbidden [17:27] just things like "Illegal" [17:27] so as long as you're legal, no worries [17:27] keep in mind you have bandwidth limits [17:28] oh, I'm 21. Legal [17:28] not sure what happens if you blow those [17:28] haha [17:28] no I mean, legal torrents [17:28] yep [17:28] yeah it was a joke :) [17:29] raouldlv: the general rules seem to be 1) don't do anything illegal, and 2) don't be a retard. adibe by those and you'll be okay. [17:29] yeah [17:29] and if you get warned, pay attention [17:29] jlgaddis: I like those rules. [18:03] RandalSchwartz: you use zfs on arp? [18:06] Yes using zfs [18:07] booting off zfs for / [18:07] [18:07] [18:09] btw, fink, i hate you. [18:09] you just suck less than macports [18:09] so i use you. [18:09] :) [18:10] empty lines? [18:10] I no longer use "fink" on my laptop [18:11] I use macports exclusively [18:11] fink were you trying to say someting? [18:11] I just got two blank lines from you [18:12] [18:12] jlgaddis? :) [18:12] * jlgaddis grins [18:13] my irc client refuses to push just a blank :) [18:13] =) [18:14] nope - that gets erased [18:14] blame emacs. :) [18:15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-width_non-breaking_space [18:15] you could also put in a color code with no text and send, but this channel is +c [18:16] no color [18:16] and thank god [18:16] because my client doens't know color [18:17] no emacs color :( ? [18:17] irc.el was created before irc had color [18:17] it has only a half-assed file transfer as well, so I just disabled it [18:17] upgrade to irssi :) [18:18] simpler than trying to explain to people that I can't [18:18] +tmux [18:18] irssi doesn't run inside emacs [18:18] thank $deity [18:18] lol [18:19] parser error: $deity undefined [18:20] my $deity = 'FSM'; [18:20] use constant DEITY => 'FSM'; [18:21] that's better [18:21] Look, you can't all be athiest. One of you has to be athier than the rest. [18:21] that's just how superlatives work. [18:21] heh [18:22] ;) [18:23] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [18:48] RandalSchwartz: sorry that came from me doing mergemaster, and went into the wrong window [18:48] raouldlv: i freaking love macports, btw [18:48] RandalSchwartz: any tips or gotchas for zfs on arpnetworks vps? [18:49] follow the instructions precisely [18:50] this works - http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot [18:50] the only thing is the ether interface is different [18:50] oh wait, not referenced there [18:51] but yeah, you need to add the right config in /etc/rc.conf [18:51] right - echo 'ifconfig_re0="DHCP"' >> /etc/rc.conf [18:51] that's not gonna work [18:51] add your proper config line [18:52] defaultrouter=n.n.n.n [18:52] ipv4_addrs_em0=n.n.n.n/n [18:53] "em0" is the name of the emulated if [18:54] gotcha [18:54] thanks [19:01] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [19:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [19:13] RandalSchwartz: forgive my stupidity, but how did you boot a freebsd install dvd on an arpnetworks vps? [19:20] fink - if you ordered a freebsd machine, freebsd 8.0 release disk is in the virtual cdrom permanently [19:20] so you "boot" from "cd" [19:20] oh [19:20] use the console or vnc interface to "reboot" [19:21] actually, you can trigger reboot from the web [19:21] and then just be sure to press F6 during boot up to select the boot menu [19:21] or maybe it was F12 [19:21] yeah, I think it was F12 [19:21] do you think those will work ok over a modem connection? [19:23] console will [19:23] vnc not so much [19:23] to get console mode, you have to give your public key to support@ [19:24] ah ok [19:24] well i guess no zfs this weekend then :) [19:24] if you submit it, Garry might do it [19:25] he works weekends sometimes [19:25] or maybe his minions do :) [19:25] they work on the weekend? [19:25] oh ok [19:25] yeah [19:25] get your pub key into support@ [19:25] I think that's how it works [19:25] see your login page [19:25] yes, looking now [19:26] RandalSchwartz: thanks for your help [19:26] no problem [19:26] people here helped me when I started [19:26] just paying it back [19:27] i had no idea about the virtual cdrom [19:28] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [19:28] was that in a support doc i missed/ [19:28] I think I asked Garry [19:28] as in, I asked him how I was supposed to wipe my disk [19:28] and he said "oh, the cdrom is mounted permanently" [19:29] that is cool [19:29] which also means you always have a rescue disk [19:29] you can boot the cd, fix things, then reboot to your HD [19:29] yea, exactly [19:30] this is far far far better than my previous hosting [19:30] more money for less service, capability, etc [19:30] what did you use before? i have some stuff on slicehost [19:30] sprocketnetworks [19:30] I had a dedicated server [19:31] never again [19:31] I'm really liking the idea of a VPS [19:31] heh [19:31] yea me too [19:31] I won't be the only one bitching if the cpu fails :) [19:31] slicehost gives great service [19:31] slicehost doesn't offer freebsd configs though [19:31] but no freebsd and arp has more than twice the ram for the same price... [19:31] I asked them [19:31] right [19:31] right [19:32] actually, the $20/month deal is so incredibly good, I might just buy one of those for a throwaway box [19:32] throw an asterisk server on it or something [19:32] the only thing i miss about slicehost is the nice dns webadmin [19:32] cool [19:32] you can install webmin on freebsd :) [19:33] i thought about that but the latency from west coast to east coast is too great for a voip thing [19:33] does webmin work with djbdns? [19:33] insightcruises.com web is on an EC2 box for $120/month [19:33] i always do hacky stuff with tinydns & dnscache [19:33] insightcruises.com mail/dns is on a $20/month special at ARP [19:33] with a lot of spare room [19:33] so I'm thinking of moving insightcruises.com web over to ARP [19:34] huh cool [19:34] save my client $120/month [19:34] you run this site or the company too/ [19:34] so he can pay me instead :) [19:34] no - I'm just their CTO [19:34] RandalSchwartz: that's your added value [19:35] a side benefit is I go on nearly every cruise [19:35] that looks really interesting [19:35] damn i want to go to patagonia [19:35] I have about 330 days at sea :) [19:35] more than some of the staff members [19:35] nice [19:42] 366 sea days actually [19:42] just updated my spread sheet [19:43] 51 sailings of geekcruises, and I've been on 47 [19:44] that is pretty awesome [19:44] you've spent a year at sea [19:44] do you get net access while you're there? [19:45] satellite, 40 cents a minute, 800 ms ping time, 200 kbps typical [19:45] but that doesn't stop me from firing up IRC. :) [19:46] most shore sites have internet cafes [19:46] so I do essential things from the ship, but wait until a 2 hour block of shore time to update my podcasts etc. [19:48] * RandalSchwartz *so* tweeted that [19:50] i've never been on a cruise; is it overall a fun experience? do you get tired of seeing the same people? how's the food? do you share a room? can you work in your room or are there common areas? [19:50] 40 cents a minute is bad [19:51] yes. no. great. sometimes. yes and/or yes. [19:52] 40 cents a minute is opportunity cost [19:52] you learn to connect, do your stuff, disconnect [19:53] and/or share [19:53] turns out, you can hub with a few others, and only one needs to connect :) [19:54] as it turns out, I spend about $200 for internet for the week [19:54] but that's on top of a $1000 room bill, and $500 bar tab :) [19:54] so it seems small in comparison [19:55] haha [19:55] that's a good sized tab [19:55] it's not that impressive [19:55] well drinks are $5 [19:55] oh [19:55] or more [19:55] of course [19:56] hey vnc over a modem is actually not bad [19:56] ahh, there you go [19:56] just beware of sniffing [19:56] that's an insecure link [19:56] you can go secure once your ssh key is in [19:56] i emailed [19:56] i'm going to try this zfs install [19:57] cool [19:57] follow every step exactly [19:57] ok [19:57] except for the one that says "dhcp" [19:57] use your hardwire setup instead [19:57] thanks for your help, i'm sure i'll bug you [19:57] ok, gotcha [19:57] the VPS do *not* get DHCP [19:57] learned that the hard way :) [20:14] RandalSchwartz: did you use a 4gig swap? or stick with the default 1.5? [20:14] i'm assuming it doesn't really matter [20:15] just twice your ram [20:15] or do i need a bigger swap because of zfs [20:17] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [20:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [20:20] I left swap at 4G [20:20] just because I have 2G of real [20:20] but I have 120G of disk [20:21] if you have smaller, use smaller swap [20:21] I think for insightcruises.com, I used 2G swap [20:21] since that's a 20G dis [20:21] sorry, watching 7 windows here [20:22] not the same as watching Windows 7 [20:22] hah [20:22] thanks [20:36] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [21:19] RandalSchwartz: is the freebsd 8 disk included with the vps 8 RELEASE or 8 STABLE? i don't remember [21:19] rel [21:19] i'm asking because the zfs instructions imply that you don't have to install a zfs aware boot loader with stable [21:19] jlgaddis: ok thanks [21:55] woohoo it worked [22:22] *** fink has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:22] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [23:09] *** j3m has joined #arpnetworks [23:25] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink)