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[06:37] <TomD_> hi guys. thanks for getting my account setup so quickly :)
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[17:01] <raouldlv> how many vcpus does the $20 package come with?
[17:01] <raouldlv> im not familiar with QEMU
[17:02] <raouldlv> oh, and hello
[17:02] <raouldlv> :)
[17:04] <fink> raouldlv: 1 i think?
[17:04] <fink> raouldlv: i just got mine last night
[17:05] <raouldlv> fink: nice
[17:05] <raouldlv> freebsd?
[17:05] <fink> yea, i'm rebuilding the kernel & world now
[17:06] <raouldlv> top -P will show you how many cpus
[17:06] <fink> raouldlv: i can pm you dmesg or pciconf
[17:06] <RandalSchwartz> rebuilding?
[17:06] <raouldlv> cool that would be nice
[17:06] <raouldlv> fink: ^^
[17:07] <raouldlv> ooo rebuilding world? you have access to single user mode?
[17:07] <RandalSchwartz> you do, actually
[17:07] <RandalSchwartz> you have serial console *and* vnc console
[17:07] <fink> raouldlv: yea as randal says there's vnc, but i'm not using it
[17:07] <fink> we'll see what happens ;)
[17:08] <raouldlv> fink: looks like 1cpu :)
[17:09] <fink> yea
[17:09] <RandalSchwartz> but the I/O interrupts happen on a different cpu
[17:09] <RandalSchwartz> so it's actually better
[17:09] <raouldlv> hmmm
[17:10] <raouldlv> i have FreeBSD 8 running on Xen full virt right now
[17:10] <raouldlv> IO bottlenecks :/
[17:10] <RandalSchwartz> I have freebsd 8.0 -p2 with root on ZFS
[17:10] <RandalSchwartz> nothing like booting zfs
[17:10] <RandalSchwartz> can't ever go back to something less now
[17:13] <RandalSchwartz> I'm using zfs-snapshot-auto
[17:13] <raouldlv> guys i thikn im addicted to FreeBSD
[17:13] <RandalSchwartz> err.. zfs-snapshot-mgmt
[17:13] <raouldlv> :)
[17:13] <RandalSchwartz> I keep 10 minute snapshots for 90 minutes
[17:13] <RandalSchwartz> then 30 minute snapshots for 12 hours
[17:13] <RandalSchwartz> then 3-hour snapshots for a week
[17:13] <RandalSchwartz> then daily snapshots for 3 months
[17:14] <RandalSchwartz> all automatic
[17:14] <raouldlv> O_O
[17:14] <RandalSchwartz> and that's for / on down
[17:14] <raouldlv> difficult to set up, RandalSchwartz ?
[17:14] <RandalSchwartz> portinstall -c zfs-snapshot-mgmt
[17:14] <RandalSchwartz> then edit the conf :)
[17:14] <raouldlv> sounds awesome
[17:15] <RandalSchwartz> so if I blow editing an /etc file, I can fetch about 30 different versions of it :)
[17:15] <RandalSchwartz> or my .zshrc
[17:15] <RandalSchwartz> or I install something that breaks things
[17:15] <RandalSchwartz> oh - and my /usr/ports is stored compressed
[17:15] <RandalSchwartz> but my homedir isn't
[17:16] <RandalSchwartz> and I can change my mind later
[17:16] <RandalSchwartz> zfs. rocks.
[17:17] <raouldlv> /usr still UFS?
[17:17] <raouldlv> and /var?
[17:18] <raouldlv> was wondering about mysql performance on ZFS
[17:19] <RandalSchwartz> you can tune quite a few things
[17:19] <RandalSchwartz> change the checksum to a cheap one, for example
[17:19] <RandalSchwartz> would *not* recommend turning it off though
[17:19] <RandalSchwartz> no /usr and /var are zfs
[17:19] <RandalSchwartz> I have *no* ufs on my system
[17:20] <raouldlv> how long have you had arp, RandalSchwartz ?
[17:20] <RandalSchwartz> ... http://pastebin.com/VMmg4NR8
[17:20] <RandalSchwartz> only 4 months
[17:21] <raouldlv> you like it?
[17:21] <RandalSchwartz> so far!
[17:21] <RandalSchwartz> I burned my old machine five days ago
[17:21] <RandalSchwartz> so I'm definitely on now
[17:23] <raouldlv> ARP is recommended 100% on webhostingtalk for freebsd
[17:23] <RandalSchwartz> yeah - Garrey's a good guy
[17:23] <RandalSchwartz> oops.  Garry
[17:23] <raouldlv> Garry's the bossman?
[17:24] <RandalSchwartz> yes
[17:24] <RandalSchwartz> he hangs out here
[17:24] <RandalSchwartz> as up_the_irons
[17:24] <raouldlv> ah
[17:24] <RandalSchwartz> and his terminal probably just ping'ed :)
[17:24] <raouldlv> oh you mean when you hilighted up_the_irons ?
[17:24] <raouldlv> :)
[17:25] <raouldlv> this might be a dumb question, but does ARP let you run IRC clients?
[17:25] <RandalSchwartz> of course
[17:25] <RandalSchwartz> it's your box
[17:25] <raouldlv> good :)
[17:25] <raouldlv> some providers dont allow IRC at all
[17:25] <raouldlv> not even clients
[17:26] <raouldlv> :/
[17:26] <RandalSchwartz> of course, you'll have to ensure that your IRC clients obey your agreement
[17:26] <RandalSchwartz> so be careful
[17:26] <RandalSchwartz> as in, your irc server can't be used for forbidden activity
[17:27] <raouldlv> what about torrentzzz?
[17:27] <RandalSchwartz> same thing
[17:27] <RandalSchwartz> wasn't listed in the forbidden
[17:27] <RandalSchwartz> just things like "Illegal"
[17:27] <RandalSchwartz> so as long as you're legal, no worries
[17:27] <RandalSchwartz> keep in mind you have bandwidth limits
[17:28] <raouldlv> oh, I'm 21. Legal
[17:28] <RandalSchwartz> not sure what happens if you blow those
[17:28] <raouldlv> haha
[17:28] <RandalSchwartz> no I mean, legal torrents
[17:28] <raouldlv> yep
[17:28] <raouldlv> yeah it was a joke :)
[17:29] <jlgaddis> raouldlv: the general rules seem to be 1) don't do anything illegal, and 2) don't be a retard.  adibe by those and you'll be okay.
[17:29] <RandalSchwartz> yeah
[17:29] <RandalSchwartz> and if you get warned, pay attention
[17:29] <raouldlv> jlgaddis: I like those rules.
[18:03] <fink> RandalSchwartz: you use zfs on arp?
[18:06] <RandalSchwartz> Yes using zfs
[18:07] <RandalSchwartz> booting off zfs for /
[18:07] <fink>  
[18:07] <fink>  
[18:09] <raouldlv> btw, fink, i hate you.
[18:09] <raouldlv> you just suck less than macports
[18:09] <raouldlv> so i use you.
[18:09] <raouldlv> :)
[18:10] <RandalSchwartz> empty lines?
[18:10] <RandalSchwartz> I no longer use "fink" on my laptop
[18:11] <RandalSchwartz> I use macports exclusively
[18:11] <RandalSchwartz> fink were you trying to say someting?
[18:11] <RandalSchwartz> I just got two blank lines from you
[18:12] <jlgaddis>  
[18:12] <RandalSchwartz> jlgaddis? :)
[18:12] * jlgaddis grins
[18:13] <RandalSchwartz> my irc client refuses to push just a blank :)
[18:13] <jlgaddis> <space><enter> =)
[18:14] <RandalSchwartz> nope - that gets erased
[18:14] <RandalSchwartz> blame emacs. :)
[18:15] <raouldlv> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-width_non-breaking_space
[18:15] <raouldlv> you could also put in a color code with no text and send, but this channel is +c
[18:16] <raouldlv> no color
[18:16] <RandalSchwartz> and thank god
[18:16] <RandalSchwartz> because my client doens't know color
[18:17] <raouldlv> no emacs color :( ?
[18:17] <RandalSchwartz> irc.el was created before irc had color
[18:17] <RandalSchwartz> it has only a half-assed file transfer as well, so I just disabled it
[18:17] <raouldlv> upgrade to irssi :)
[18:18] <RandalSchwartz> simpler than trying to explain to people that I can't
[18:18] <raouldlv> +tmux
[18:18] <RandalSchwartz> irssi doesn't run inside emacs
[18:18] <jlgaddis> thank $deity
[18:18] <raouldlv> lol
[18:19] <raouldlv> parser error: $deity undefined
[18:20] <jlgaddis> my $deity = 'FSM';
[18:20] <RandalSchwartz> use constant DEITY => 'FSM';
[18:21] <jlgaddis> that's better
[18:21] <raouldlv> Look, you can't all be athiest. One of you has to be athier than the rest.
[18:21] <raouldlv> that's just how superlatives work.
[18:21] <jlgaddis> heh
[18:22] <raouldlv> ;)
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[18:48] <fink>  RandalSchwartz: sorry that came from me doing mergemaster, and went into the wrong window
[18:48] <fink> raouldlv: i freaking love macports, btw
[18:48] <fink> RandalSchwartz: any tips or gotchas for zfs on arpnetworks vps?
[18:49] <RandalSchwartz> follow the instructions precisely
[18:50] <RandalSchwartz> this works - http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot
[18:50] <RandalSchwartz> the only thing is the ether interface is different
[18:50] <RandalSchwartz> oh wait, not referenced there
[18:51] <RandalSchwartz> but yeah, you need to add the right config in /etc/rc.conf
[18:51] <RandalSchwartz> right - echo 'ifconfig_re0="DHCP"' >> /etc/rc.conf
[18:51] <RandalSchwartz> that's not gonna work
[18:51] <RandalSchwartz> add your proper config line
[18:52] <RandalSchwartz> defaultrouter=n.n.n.n
[18:52] <RandalSchwartz> ipv4_addrs_em0=n.n.n.n/n
[18:53] <RandalSchwartz> "em0" is the name of the emulated if
[18:54] <fink> gotcha
[18:54] <fink> thanks
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[19:13] <fink> RandalSchwartz: forgive my stupidity, but how did you boot a freebsd install dvd on an arpnetworks vps?
[19:20] <RandalSchwartz> fink - if you ordered a freebsd machine, freebsd 8.0 release disk is in the virtual cdrom permanently
[19:20] <RandalSchwartz> so you "boot" from "cd"
[19:20] <fink> oh
[19:20] <RandalSchwartz> use the console or vnc interface to "reboot"
[19:21] <RandalSchwartz> actually, you can trigger reboot from the web
[19:21] <RandalSchwartz> and then just be sure to press F6 during boot up to select the boot menu
[19:21] <RandalSchwartz> or maybe it was F12
[19:21] <RandalSchwartz> yeah, I think it was F12
[19:21] <fink> do you think those will work ok over a modem connection?
[19:23] <RandalSchwartz> console will
[19:23] <RandalSchwartz> vnc not so much
[19:23] <RandalSchwartz> to get console mode, you have to give your public key to support@
[19:24] <fink> ah ok
[19:24] <fink> well i guess no zfs this weekend then :)
[19:24] <RandalSchwartz> if you submit it, Garry might do it
[19:25] <RandalSchwartz> he works weekends sometimes
[19:25] <RandalSchwartz> or maybe his minions do :)
[19:25] <fink> they work on the weekend?
[19:25] <fink> oh ok
[19:25] <RandalSchwartz> yeah
[19:25] <RandalSchwartz> get your pub key into support@
[19:25] <RandalSchwartz> I think that's how it works
[19:25] <RandalSchwartz> see your login page
[19:25] <fink> yes, looking now
[19:26] <fink> RandalSchwartz: thanks for your help
[19:26] <RandalSchwartz> no problem
[19:26] <RandalSchwartz> people here helped me when I started
[19:26] <RandalSchwartz> just paying it back
[19:27] <fink> i had no idea about the virtual cdrom
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[19:28] <fink> was that in a support doc i missed/
[19:28] <RandalSchwartz> I think I asked Garry
[19:28] <RandalSchwartz> as in, I asked him how I was supposed to wipe my disk
[19:28] <RandalSchwartz> and he said "oh, the cdrom is mounted permanently"
[19:29] <fink> that is cool
[19:29] <RandalSchwartz> which also means you always have a rescue disk
[19:29] <RandalSchwartz> you can boot the cd, fix things, then reboot to your HD
[19:29] <fink> yea, exactly
[19:30] <RandalSchwartz> this is far far far better than my previous hosting
[19:30] <RandalSchwartz> more money for less service, capability, etc
[19:30] <fink> what did you use before? i have some stuff on slicehost
[19:30] <RandalSchwartz> sprocketnetworks
[19:30] <RandalSchwartz> I had a dedicated server
[19:31] <RandalSchwartz> never again
[19:31] <RandalSchwartz> I'm really liking the idea of a VPS
[19:31] <fink> heh
[19:31] <fink> yea me too
[19:31] <RandalSchwartz> I won't be the only one bitching if the cpu fails :)
[19:31] <fink> slicehost gives great service
[19:31] <RandalSchwartz> slicehost doesn't offer freebsd configs though
[19:31] <fink> but no freebsd and arp has more than twice the ram for the same price...
[19:31] <RandalSchwartz> I asked them
[19:31] <RandalSchwartz> right
[19:31] <fink> right
[19:32] <RandalSchwartz> actually, the $20/month deal is so incredibly good, I might just buy one of those for a throwaway box
[19:32] <RandalSchwartz> throw an asterisk server on it or something
[19:32] <fink> the only thing i miss about slicehost is the nice dns webadmin
[19:32] <fink> cool
[19:32] <RandalSchwartz> you can install webmin on freebsd :)
[19:33] <fink> i thought about that but the latency from west coast to east coast is too great for a voip thing
[19:33] <fink> does webmin work with djbdns?
[19:33] <RandalSchwartz> insightcruises.com web is on an EC2 box for $120/month
[19:33] <fink> i always do hacky stuff with tinydns & dnscache
[19:33] <RandalSchwartz> insightcruises.com mail/dns is on a $20/month special at ARP
[19:33] <RandalSchwartz> with a lot of spare room
[19:33] <RandalSchwartz> so I'm thinking of moving insightcruises.com web over to ARP
[19:34] <fink> huh cool
[19:34] <RandalSchwartz> save my client $120/month
[19:34] <fink> you run this site or the company too/
[19:34] <RandalSchwartz> so he can pay me instead :)
[19:34] <RandalSchwartz> no - I'm just their CTO
[19:34] <fink> RandalSchwartz: that's your added value
[19:35] <RandalSchwartz> a side benefit is I go on nearly every cruise
[19:35] <fink> that looks really interesting
[19:35] <fink> damn i want to go to patagonia
[19:35] <RandalSchwartz> I have about 330 days at sea :)
[19:35] <RandalSchwartz> more than some of the staff members
[19:35] <fink> nice
[19:42] <RandalSchwartz> 366 sea days actually
[19:42] <RandalSchwartz> just updated my spread sheet
[19:43] <RandalSchwartz> 51 sailings of geekcruises, and I've been on 47
[19:44] <fink> that is pretty awesome
[19:44] <fink> you've spent a year at sea
[19:44] <fink> do you get net access while you're there?
[19:45] <RandalSchwartz> satellite, 40 cents a minute, 800 ms ping time, 200 kbps typical
[19:45] <RandalSchwartz> but that doesn't stop me from firing up IRC. :)
[19:46] <RandalSchwartz> most shore sites have internet cafes
[19:46] <RandalSchwartz> so I do essential things from the ship, but wait until a 2 hour block of shore time to update my podcasts etc.
[19:48] * RandalSchwartz *so* tweeted that
[19:50] <fink> i've never been on a cruise; is it overall a fun experience? do you get tired of seeing the same people? how's the food? do you share a room? can you work in your room or are there common areas?
[19:50] <au> 40 cents a minute is bad
[19:51] <RandalSchwartz> yes. no. great. sometimes. yes and/or yes.
[19:52] <RandalSchwartz> 40 cents a minute is opportunity cost
[19:52] <RandalSchwartz> you learn to connect, do your stuff, disconnect
[19:53] <RandalSchwartz> and/or share
[19:53] <RandalSchwartz> turns out, you can hub with a few others, and only one needs to connect :)
[19:54] <RandalSchwartz> as it turns out, I spend about $200 for internet for the week
[19:54] <RandalSchwartz> but that's on top of a $1000 room bill, and $500 bar tab :)
[19:54] <RandalSchwartz> so it seems small in comparison
[19:55] <fink> haha
[19:55] <fink> that's a good sized tab
[19:55] <RandalSchwartz> it's not that impressive
[19:55] <RandalSchwartz> well drinks are $5
[19:55] <fink> oh
[19:55] <RandalSchwartz> or more
[19:55] <fink> of course
[19:56] <fink> hey vnc over a modem is actually not bad
[19:56] <RandalSchwartz> ahh, there you go
[19:56] <RandalSchwartz> just beware of sniffing
[19:56] <RandalSchwartz> that's an insecure link
[19:56] <RandalSchwartz> you can go secure once your ssh key is in
[19:56] <fink> i emailed
[19:56] <fink> i'm going to try this zfs install
[19:57] <RandalSchwartz> cool
[19:57] <RandalSchwartz> follow every step exactly
[19:57] <fink> ok
[19:57] <RandalSchwartz> except for the one that says "dhcp"
[19:57] <RandalSchwartz> use your hardwire setup instead
[19:57] <fink> thanks for your help, i'm sure i'll bug you
[19:57] <fink> ok, gotcha
[19:57] <RandalSchwartz> the VPS do *not* get DHCP
[19:57] <RandalSchwartz> learned that the hard way :)
[20:14] <fink> RandalSchwartz: did you use a 4gig swap? or stick with the default 1.5?
[20:14] <fink> i'm assuming it doesn't really matter
[20:15] <fink> just twice your ram
[20:15] <fink> or do i need a bigger swap because of zfs
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[20:20] <RandalSchwartz> I left swap at 4G
[20:20] <RandalSchwartz> just because I have 2G of real
[20:20] <RandalSchwartz> but I have 120G of disk
[20:21] <RandalSchwartz> if you have smaller, use smaller swap
[20:21] <RandalSchwartz> I think for insightcruises.com, I used 2G swap
[20:21] <RandalSchwartz> since that's a 20G dis
[20:21] <RandalSchwartz> sorry, watching 7 windows here
[20:22] <RandalSchwartz> not the same as watching Windows 7
[20:22] <fink> hah
[20:22] <fink> thanks
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[21:19] <fink> RandalSchwartz: is the freebsd 8 disk included with the vps 8 RELEASE or 8 STABLE? i don't remember
[21:19] <jlgaddis> rel
[21:19] <fink> i'm asking because the zfs instructions imply that you don't have to install a zfs aware boot loader with stable
[21:19] <fink> jlgaddis: ok thanks
[21:55] <fink> woohoo it worked
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