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| raouldlv | how many vcpus does the $20 package come with?
im not familiar with QEMU oh, and hello :) | [17:01] |
| fink | raouldlv: 1 i think?
raouldlv: i just got mine last night | [17:04] |
| raouldlv | fink: nice
freebsd? | [17:05] |
| fink | yea, i'm rebuilding the kernel & world now | [17:05] |
| raouldlv | top -P will show you how many cpus | [17:06] |
| fink | raouldlv: i can pm you dmesg or pciconf | [17:06] |
| RandalSchwartz | rebuilding? | [17:06] |
| raouldlv | cool that would be nice
fink: ^^ ooo rebuilding world? you have access to single user mode? | [17:06] |
| RandalSchwartz | you do, actually
you have serial console *and* vnc console | [17:07] |
| fink | raouldlv: yea as randal says there's vnc, but i'm not using it
we'll see what happens ;) | [17:07] |
| raouldlv | fink: looks like 1cpu :) | [17:08] |
| fink | yea | [17:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | but the I/O interrupts happen on a different cpu
so it's actually better | [17:09] |
| raouldlv | hmmm
i have FreeBSD 8 running on Xen full virt right now IO bottlenecks :/ | [17:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | I have freebsd 8.0 -p2 with root on ZFS
nothing like booting zfs can't ever go back to something less now I'm using zfs-snapshot-auto | [17:10] |
| raouldlv | guys i thikn im addicted to FreeBSD | [17:13] |
| RandalSchwartz | err.. zfs-snapshot-mgmt | [17:13] |
| raouldlv | :) | [17:13] |
| RandalSchwartz | I keep 10 minute snapshots for 90 minutes
then 30 minute snapshots for 12 hours then 3-hour snapshots for a week then daily snapshots for 3 months all automatic | [17:13] |
| raouldlv | O_O | [17:14] |
| RandalSchwartz | and that's for / on down | [17:14] |
| raouldlv | difficult to set up, RandalSchwartz ? | [17:14] |
| RandalSchwartz | portinstall -c zfs-snapshot-mgmt
then edit the conf :) | [17:14] |
| raouldlv | sounds awesome | [17:14] |
| RandalSchwartz | so if I blow editing an /etc file, I can fetch about 30 different versions of it :)
or my .zshrc or I install something that breaks things oh - and my /usr/ports is stored compressed but my homedir isn't and I can change my mind later zfs. rocks. | [17:15] |
| raouldlv | /usr still UFS?
and /var? was wondering about mysql performance on ZFS | [17:17] |
| RandalSchwartz | you can tune quite a few things
change the checksum to a cheap one, for example would *not* recommend turning it off though no /usr and /var are zfs I have *no* ufs on my system | [17:19] |
| raouldlv | how long have you had arp, RandalSchwartz ? | [17:20] |
| RandalSchwartz | ... http://pastebin.com/VMmg4NR8
only 4 months | [17:20] |
| raouldlv | you like it? | [17:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | so far!
I burned my old machine five days ago so I'm definitely on now | [17:21] |
| raouldlv | ARP is recommended 100% on webhostingtalk for freebsd | [17:23] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah - Garrey's a good guy
oops. Garry | [17:23] |
| raouldlv | Garry's the bossman? | [17:23] |
| RandalSchwartz | yes
he hangs out here as up_the_irons | [17:24] |
| raouldlv | ah | [17:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | and his terminal probably just ping'ed :) | [17:24] |
| raouldlv | oh you mean when you hilighted up_the_irons ?
:) this might be a dumb question, but does ARP let you run IRC clients? | [17:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | of course
it's your box | [17:25] |
| raouldlv | good :)
some providers dont allow IRC at all not even clients :/ | [17:25] |
| RandalSchwartz | of course, you'll have to ensure that your IRC clients obey your agreement
so be careful as in, your irc server can't be used for forbidden activity | [17:26] |
| raouldlv | what about torrentzzz? | [17:27] |
| RandalSchwartz | same thing
wasn't listed in the forbidden just things like "Illegal" so as long as you're legal, no worries keep in mind you have bandwidth limits | [17:27] |
| raouldlv | oh, I'm 21. Legal | [17:28] |
| RandalSchwartz | not sure what happens if you blow those | [17:28] |
| raouldlv | haha | [17:28] |
| RandalSchwartz | no I mean, legal torrents | [17:28] |
| raouldlv | yep
yeah it was a joke :) | [17:28] |
| jlgaddis | raouldlv: the general rules seem to be 1) don't do anything illegal, and 2) don't be a retard. adibe by those and you'll be okay. | [17:29] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah
and if you get warned, pay attention | [17:29] |
| raouldlv | jlgaddis: I like those rules. | [17:29] |
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| fink | RandalSchwartz: you use zfs on arp? | [18:03] |
| RandalSchwartz | Yes using zfs
booting off zfs for / | [18:06] |
| fink |
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| raouldlv | btw, fink, i hate you.
you just suck less than macports so i use you. :) | [18:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | empty lines?
I no longer use "fink" on my laptop I use macports exclusively fink were you trying to say someting? I just got two blank lines from you | [18:10] |
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| RandalSchwartz | jlgaddis? :) | [18:12] |
| jlgaddis | jlgaddis grins | [18:12] |
| RandalSchwartz | my irc client refuses to push just a blank :) | [18:13] |
| jlgaddis | <space><enter> =) | [18:13] |
| RandalSchwartz | nope - that gets erased
blame emacs. :) | [18:14] |
| raouldlv | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-width_non-breaking_space
you could also put in a color code with no text and send, but this channel is +c no color | [18:15] |
| RandalSchwartz | and thank god
because my client doens't know color | [18:16] |
| raouldlv | no emacs color :( ? | [18:17] |
| RandalSchwartz | irc.el was created before irc had color
it has only a half-assed file transfer as well, so I just disabled it | [18:17] |
| raouldlv | upgrade to irssi :) | [18:17] |
| RandalSchwartz | simpler than trying to explain to people that I can't | [18:18] |
| raouldlv | +tmux | [18:18] |
| RandalSchwartz | irssi doesn't run inside emacs | [18:18] |
| jlgaddis | thank $deity | [18:18] |
| raouldlv | lol
parser error: $deity undefined | [18:18] |
| jlgaddis | my $deity = 'FSM'; | [18:20] |
| RandalSchwartz | use constant DEITY => 'FSM'; | [18:20] |
| jlgaddis | that's better | [18:21] |
| raouldlv | Look, you can't all be athiest. One of you has to be athier than the rest.
that's just how superlatives work. | [18:21] |
| jlgaddis | heh | [18:21] |
| raouldlv | ;) | [18:22] |
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| fink | RandalSchwartz: sorry that came from me doing mergemaster, and went into the wrong window
raouldlv: i freaking love macports, btw RandalSchwartz: any tips or gotchas for zfs on arpnetworks vps? | [18:48] |
| RandalSchwartz | follow the instructions precisely
this works - http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot the only thing is the ether interface is different oh wait, not referenced there but yeah, you need to add the right config in /etc/rc.conf right - echo 'ifconfig_re0="DHCP"' >> /etc/rc.conf that's not gonna work add your proper config line defaultrouter=n.n.n.n ipv4_addrs_em0=n.n.n.n/n "em0" is the name of the emulated if | [18:49] |
| fink | gotcha
thanks | [18:54] |
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| fink | RandalSchwartz: forgive my stupidity, but how did you boot a freebsd install dvd on an arpnetworks vps? | [19:13] |
| RandalSchwartz | fink - if you ordered a freebsd machine, freebsd 8.0 release disk is in the virtual cdrom permanently
so you "boot" from "cd" | [19:20] |
| fink | oh | [19:20] |
| RandalSchwartz | use the console or vnc interface to "reboot"
actually, you can trigger reboot from the web and then just be sure to press F6 during boot up to select the boot menu or maybe it was F12 yeah, I think it was F12 | [19:20] |
| fink | do you think those will work ok over a modem connection? | [19:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | console will
vnc not so much to get console mode, you have to give your public key to support@ | [19:23] |
| fink | ah ok
well i guess no zfs this weekend then :) | [19:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | if you submit it, Garry might do it
he works weekends sometimes or maybe his minions do :) | [19:24] |
| fink | they work on the weekend?
oh ok | [19:25] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah
get your pub key into support@ I think that's how it works see your login page | [19:25] |
| fink | yes, looking now
RandalSchwartz: thanks for your help | [19:25] |
| RandalSchwartz | no problem
people here helped me when I started just paying it back | [19:26] |
| fink | i had no idea about the virtual cdrom | [19:27] |
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| fink | was that in a support doc i missed/ | [19:28] |
| RandalSchwartz | I think I asked Garry
as in, I asked him how I was supposed to wipe my disk and he said "oh, the cdrom is mounted permanently" | [19:28] |
| fink | that is cool | [19:29] |
| RandalSchwartz | which also means you always have a rescue disk
you can boot the cd, fix things, then reboot to your HD | [19:29] |
| fink | yea, exactly | [19:29] |
| RandalSchwartz | this is far far far better than my previous hosting
more money for less service, capability, etc | [19:30] |
| fink | what did you use before? i have some stuff on slicehost | [19:30] |
| RandalSchwartz | sprocketnetworks
I had a dedicated server never again I'm really liking the idea of a VPS | [19:30] |
| fink | heh
yea me too | [19:31] |
| RandalSchwartz | I won't be the only one bitching if the cpu fails :) | [19:31] |
| fink | slicehost gives great service | [19:31] |
| RandalSchwartz | slicehost doesn't offer freebsd configs though | [19:31] |
| fink | but no freebsd and arp has more than twice the ram for the same price... | [19:31] |
| RandalSchwartz | I asked them
right | [19:31] |
| fink | right | [19:31] |
| RandalSchwartz | actually, the $20/month deal is so incredibly good, I might just buy one of those for a throwaway box
throw an asterisk server on it or something | [19:32] |
| fink | the only thing i miss about slicehost is the nice dns webadmin
cool | [19:32] |
| RandalSchwartz | you can install webmin on freebsd :) | [19:32] |
| fink | i thought about that but the latency from west coast to east coast is too great for a voip thing
does webmin work with djbdns? | [19:33] |
| RandalSchwartz | insightcruises.com web is on an EC2 box for $120/month | [19:33] |
| fink | i always do hacky stuff with tinydns & dnscache | [19:33] |
| RandalSchwartz | insightcruises.com mail/dns is on a $20/month special at ARP
with a lot of spare room so I'm thinking of moving insightcruises.com web over to ARP | [19:33] |
| fink | huh cool | [19:34] |
| RandalSchwartz | save my client $120/month | [19:34] |
| fink | you run this site or the company too/ | [19:34] |
| RandalSchwartz | so he can pay me instead :)
no - I'm just their CTO | [19:34] |
| fink | RandalSchwartz: that's your added value | [19:34] |
| RandalSchwartz | a side benefit is I go on nearly every cruise | [19:35] |
| fink | that looks really interesting
damn i want to go to patagonia | [19:35] |
| RandalSchwartz | I have about 330 days at sea :)
more than some of the staff members | [19:35] |
| fink | nice | [19:35] |
| RandalSchwartz | 366 sea days actually
just updated my spread sheet 51 sailings of geekcruises, and I've been on 47 | [19:42] |
| fink | that is pretty awesome
you've spent a year at sea do you get net access while you're there? | [19:44] |
| RandalSchwartz | satellite, 40 cents a minute, 800 ms ping time, 200 kbps typical
but that doesn't stop me from firing up IRC. :) most shore sites have internet cafes so I do essential things from the ship, but wait until a 2 hour block of shore time to update my podcasts etc. RandalSchwartz *so* tweeted that | [19:45] |
| fink | i've never been on a cruise; is it overall a fun experience? do you get tired of seeing the same people? how's the food? do you share a room? can you work in your room or are there common areas? | [19:50] |
| au | 40 cents a minute is bad | [19:50] |
| RandalSchwartz | yes. no. great. sometimes. yes and/or yes.
40 cents a minute is opportunity cost you learn to connect, do your stuff, disconnect and/or share turns out, you can hub with a few others, and only one needs to connect :) as it turns out, I spend about $200 for internet for the week but that's on top of a $1000 room bill, and $500 bar tab :) so it seems small in comparison | [19:51] |
| fink | haha
that's a good sized tab | [19:55] |
| RandalSchwartz | it's not that impressive
well drinks are $5 | [19:55] |
| fink | oh | [19:55] |
| RandalSchwartz | or more | [19:55] |
| fink | of course
hey vnc over a modem is actually not bad | [19:55] |
| RandalSchwartz | ahh, there you go
just beware of sniffing that's an insecure link you can go secure once your ssh key is in | [19:56] |
| fink | i emailed
i'm going to try this zfs install | [19:56] |
| RandalSchwartz | cool
follow every step exactly | [19:57] |
| fink | ok | [19:57] |
| RandalSchwartz | except for the one that says "dhcp"
use your hardwire setup instead | [19:57] |
| fink | thanks for your help, i'm sure i'll bug you
ok, gotcha | [19:57] |
| RandalSchwartz | the VPS do *not* get DHCP
learned that the hard way :) | [19:57] |
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| fink | RandalSchwartz: did you use a 4gig swap? or stick with the default 1.5?
i'm assuming it doesn't really matter just twice your ram or do i need a bigger swap because of zfs | [20:14] |
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| RandalSchwartz | I left swap at 4G
just because I have 2G of real but I have 120G of disk if you have smaller, use smaller swap I think for insightcruises.com, I used 2G swap since that's a 20G dis sorry, watching 7 windows here not the same as watching Windows 7 | [20:20] |
| fink | hah
thanks | [20:22] |
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| fink | RandalSchwartz: is the freebsd 8 disk included with the vps 8 RELEASE or 8 STABLE? i don't remember | [21:19] |
| jlgaddis | rel | [21:19] |
| fink | i'm asking because the zfs instructions imply that you don't have to install a zfs aware boot loader with stable
jlgaddis: ok thanks | [21:19] |
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