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[01:14] <up_the_irons> man, level3 is sure having some issues as of late...
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[02:12] <dxtr> Blah! I want money so I can order the god damn server P:
[02:13] <dxtr> Sometimes I think capitalism sucks. Then I get some money and change my mind.
[04:52] <dxtr> Hrm, anyone here knows how to secure apache and php so users can't access each others' userdirs?
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[07:09] <mhoran> c
[07:12] <mhoran> Hm. This is irssi, not mutt.
[07:12] <mhoran> Whoops!
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[11:02] <Jestre> up_the_irons: Sounds promising (re: upgrade) :)
[13:20] <amdprophet> is level3 having an issue with their routers?
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[13:39] <up_the_irons> amdprophet: they seem to have been having problems the last few days
[13:43] <amdprophet> since friday-ish?
[13:43] <up_the_irons> yeah, lots of packet loss on their network
[13:43] <amdprophet> that would explain a lot
[13:43] <amdprophet> i can get to our sites fine on my comps, but my cell phone won't even resolve the dns
[13:44] <up_the_irons> ouch
[13:44] <amdprophet> and a few clients aren't able to get to their sites
[13:44] <up_the_irons> can u traceroute from your phone?
[13:44] <amdprophet> going to install it if it's on the installer, one sec
[13:44] <amdprophet> i was just charging my phone
[13:57] <up_the_irons> ah
[14:00] <amdprophet> phone is working now, right after i get traceroute installed
[14:00] <amdprophet> oh well :P
[14:54] <dxtr> Hrm, my speed from home to you guys isn't that awesome actually :p
[14:54] <dxtr> Sure, I'm in Sweden, but from my current VPS I get speeds of like 8MB/s or something
[14:54] <dxtr> I hate my ISP
[14:55] <up_the_irons> dxtr: you should pastebin traceroutes from you to us, then you to current VPS
[14:55] <dxtr> up_the_irons: Already working on it ;)
[14:55] <up_the_irons> :)
[14:56] <dxtr> From home to you: http://pastebin.ca/1841746
[14:57] <dxtr> Haha, blargh. Damn ipv6 :P
[14:59] <up_the_irons> dxtr: so about 175ms, that's pretty much expected from europe
[15:00] <dxtr> up_the_irons: Well, I tried with your 100MB test file
[15:00] <dxtr> <100KB/s
[15:01] <dxtr> http://pastebin.ca/1841752
[15:01] <dxtr> Me to my current vps
[15:01] <up_the_irons> dxtr: not fair comparing vps in US to vps in EU ;)
[15:01] <dxtr> Well, you said :p
[15:02] <dxtr> [2256] [M]->@up_the_irons: dxtr: you should pastebin traceroutes from you to us, then you to current VPS
[15:02] <up_the_irons> dxtr: an EU vps will *always* beat me in latency and speed if you're also in the EU; just fyi
[15:02] <dxtr> Well, duh, you said it
[15:02] <up_the_irons> dxtr: yeah i kinda assumed maybe you had a vps in US, so that's what i wanted to compare
[15:02] <up_the_irons> so n/m :)
[15:02] <dxtr> up_the_irons: I said my current vps to you :D
[15:02] <dxtr> wait
[15:03] <dxtr> Err
[15:05] <dxtr> http://pastebin.ca/1841756
[15:05] <dxtr> That's my current VPS to you guys
[15:06] <up_the_irons> eww, it goes over cogent
[15:06] <dxtr> Okay?
[15:06] <dxtr> At least it's fast :P
[15:07] <up_the_irons> dxtr: so you get faster downlods on 100mb.bin from your vps to me?  if so, how fast?
[15:08] <dxtr> Around 6-8MB/s
[15:08] <dxtr> Okay, average of 5 :P
[15:08] <dxtr> Apparently
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[15:08] <dxtr> Yay, it's a little faster here now
[15:09] <dxtr> <1MB/s
[15:09] <dxtr> But this is insulting! :P
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[15:09] <dxtr> I've got 100/10(Mb/s) here
[15:10] <dxtr> It's climbing some now
[15:10] <dxtr> I'd guess an average of 1.1MB/s
[15:10] <dxtr> was like <100-110KB/s earlier today :/
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[15:16] <dxtr> up_the_irons: Any comments? :)
[15:16] <dxtr> You can have my ip if you want
[15:24] <blovett> up_the_irons, you noticed the level3 issues too? I got a nice page last night saying one of our office links was having .. issues. kinda annoying.
[15:25] <up_the_irons> sorry was afk
[15:26] <up_the_irons> dxtr: the only thing i can think is that level3 is still having issues; it is usually _not_ the case that a route over cogent is faster than level3 ;)
[15:26] <up_the_irons> blovett: yeah i got paged daily about the level3 issues
[15:30] <blovett> do you have a direct feed with level3, or is it through mzima?
[15:30] <blovett> (mzima here)
[15:30] <blovett> I ended up depref'ing mzima last night
[15:30] <blovett> so I could sleep
[15:31] <up_the_irons> blovett: through mzima
[15:31] <blovett> odd that it seems to only be an issue at night. :-/
[15:32] <up_the_irons> i'd like to buy a "complement" network to mzima/level3.  wondering who that is.  perhaps global crossing
[15:32] <blovett> comcast?
[15:33] <blovett> for eyeballs atleast.
[15:33] <up_the_irons> do they sell ip transit?  i never even looked...
[15:33] <blovett> yep
[15:33] <up_the_irons> interesting
[15:33] <blovett> minimum 100mbit on fibre
[15:33] <blovett> actually, we talked them down to 100mbit
[15:33] <blovett> heh
[15:33] <up_the_irons> hah
[15:33] <up_the_irons> how much per meg?
[15:33] <blovett> $10
[15:33] <blovett> compared to $20@50Mbit with Mzima
[15:34] <blovett> (or $350/Mbit if you're talking .au)
[15:34] <blovett> :-(
[15:35] <up_the_irons> mzima gave told you $20 at 50 megs?  stiff, they quoted me much lower, under $15
[15:35] <blovett> weird.
[15:35] <blovett> oh well.
[15:36] <blovett> whats nice is we can spread our commit across multiple sites.
[15:36] <up_the_irons> yeah most providers will do that
[15:36] <blovett> ah, I've never dealt with more than one dc site.
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[15:39] <blovett> bringing up a new location in virginia next week. never been out there, looking forward to it.
[15:39] <blovett> except for the cold. :)
[15:42] <up_the_irons> haha
[15:42] <up_the_irons> cool
[15:48] <dxtr> hmm
[15:49] <dxtr> How would one "assign" specific IPs to specific users+
[15:49] <DaCa> jail them
[15:49] <dxtr> If i, for example, would give out shells
[15:52] <dxtr> DaCa: Do you mean like a so-called "freebsd jail"?
[15:52] <DaCa> dxtr: yes
[15:52] <dxtr> That's the only way to do it?
[15:53] <DaCa> probably the easiest and safest
[15:54] <dxtr> But virtualizing in a virtualized environment doesn't sound like the ultimate solution :/
[15:54] <DaCa> the overhead is neglectible
[15:55] <DaCa> it's just an enhanced chroot, where you can force the ip
[15:57] <dxtr> Hrm, okay. Let's try the other way around: Can I somehow stop (all) users from binding to some IPs?
[15:58] <DaCa> hmm, you could also do it with pf, I guess
[15:59] <DaCa> you wont stop them from binding, but you can block the trafic
[16:00] <dxtr> Yeah
[16:00] <dxtr> Because the problem is I don't want to chroot the users - just say "These are the IPs you can use"
[16:01] <dxtr> Because I'm giving out some shells and mail (No fancy webui, POP or something. Just mutt) to some friends and that would be a nice feature.
[16:15] <dxtr> But yeah, jails might be something
[16:16] <DaCa> you can use some null_mounting tricks if you are worried about the duplication of userland
[16:17] <DaCa> afair it's pretty good documented in the handbook
[16:17] <dxtr> Yeah, I'm checking it right now
[16:18] <dxtr> Actually that is really awesome
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[16:48] <ballen> asdf
[16:55] <phlux> qwer
[16:58] <up_the_irons> zxcv
[16:59] <phlux> dvor
[16:59] <phlux> OOOOH...GOTCHA WITH THE DVORAK
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[17:48] <fink> hi guys, thinking of switching from slicehost
[17:48] <fink> anybody willing to share freebsd experiences on arpnetworks?
[17:48] <ballen> sure whats up
[17:48] <visinin> freebsd experience was quite nice :)
[17:49] <visinin> using openbsd now but it was just a preference thing
[17:49] <visinin> i switched from slicehost back around september
[17:49] <fink> hi
[17:49] <fink> that 768 MB RAM for $20/month seems too good to be true
[17:49] <ballen> nah plenty true
[17:49] <ballen> what I'm using
[17:49] <fink> visinin: did you use slicehost's dns control panel?
[17:49] <fink> ballen: cool
[17:49] <up_the_irons> seems to good to be true if you're used to slicehost prices ;)
[17:49] <visinin> fink: yeah, i did
[17:50] <visinin> i'm running djbdns on my VPS now
[17:50] <fink> visinin: did you setup a dns server on your arpnetwork vps?
[17:50] <fink> ok cool
[17:50] <fink> tinydns?
[17:50] <up_the_irons> slicehost has more management tools though (control panel dns, wipe/restore, a few others)
[17:50] <visinin> yep, yep
[17:50] <fink> up_the_irons: yea, that is nice
[17:50] <up_the_irons> yeah
[17:50] <fink> so arpnetworks doesn't have a web admin dns server?
[17:51] <fink> i don't mind running tinydns, but that is a nice thing about slicehost
[17:51] <up_the_irons> fink: we don't, a little more info here: http://support.arpnetworks.com/faqs/main/reverse-dns
[17:52] <fink> up_the_irons: thanks
[17:52] <fink> are any of you guys on the east coast?
[17:52] <up_the_irons> control panel reverse dns is the next big project i'm going to work on
[17:53] <fink> cool ok
[17:53] <ballen> speaking of that
[17:54] <fink> so freebsd jails work ok in an arpnetwork vps?
[17:56] <ballen> fink yea you can if you'd like to
[17:56] <ballen> up_the_irons tickets submitted re RDNS
[17:57] <up_the_irons> ballen: roger
[17:57] <ballen> thanks
[17:57] <up_the_irons> fink: i imagine jails would work similar to a regular physical box; haven't had too many people report on their usage of jails, so i'm not sure
[17:57] <fink> cool
[17:57] <fink> thanks guys
[17:57] <up_the_irons> np
[17:58] <fink> so i can sign up next week? and start transitioning
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[17:58] <fink> last question: how's the connect from the east coast? i noticed arpnetworks is in CA
[17:59] <up_the_irons> fink: try a ping / traceroute.  i think you're going to get 50 - 70ms rtt
[17:59] <fink> i'm on a 2g connect atm, so i can't really test all that well
[17:59] <up_the_irons> ah ok
[17:59] <fink> ok, thanks
[17:59] <up_the_irons> haven't had complaints from east coast customers
[17:59] <up_the_irons> if you're in the EU, you may notice some latency
[17:59] <fink> sure
[17:59] <up_the_irons> 175ms is noticeable as you type
[18:00] <fink> thanks, this is great; freebsd vps options are thin
[18:00] <up_the_irons> yeah i know; that's why we're here :)
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[18:07] <intelprophet> up_the_irons: i had someone do a traceroute to one of our VPS, it's stopping at 205.178.182.9
[18:08] <up_the_irons> amdprophet: you have competition
[18:08] <intelprophet> haha
[18:08] <amdprophet> it's me :P
[18:09] <up_the_irons> intelprophet: probably bad rpf rule on one of my peers; if so, it is harmless, the router just can't send back the icmp b/c it is dropped at a peer
[18:09] <intelprophet> hmm interesting, maybe our dns server is having some fail then
[18:10] <up_the_irons> i've been meaning to find out who that is, but with over 30 peers and not enough time, it is hard...
[18:11] <amdprophet> my new imac just crashed... goodbye intelprophet
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