#arpnetworks 2010-03-07,Sun

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up_the_ironsouch
did you still run well before the herniated disc? I'm trying to get my 1.5 mile time down to 10 mins (right now it is 12:30) 		[00:00]
phluxYep, I did pretty well
Our PT test is actually 1.5 mile
we had to do it in 12:50, which seems like a lot of time to me
I played baseball in high school, so when I joined the CG, 12:50 was easy 		[00:02]
up_the_ironsyeah, that seems like a lot [00:03]
phluxI did it in 11:00 [00:03]
up_the_ironsnice [00:03]
phluxthe swimming part is a bitch
it used to be 150 yards, but we had to do 500 		[00:03]
up_the_ironshah
water and me don't mix
really cold water makes me unable to breath 		[00:04]
phluxwell that's why the Coast Guard is here for you :D [00:05]
up_the_ironsLOL :) [00:05]
phluxyeah they kept the pool water in basic training at a steady 65
it was freezing 		[00:05]
up_the_ironsi could do 65 i think; once i was in catalina water at like 50; well F*CK that
couldn't breath 		[00:06]
phluxyeah 50 is bad
the last thing you want is hypothermia
we have these "mustang" suits for that purpose
they float, keep us dry, and keep us warm using our body heat
that was the only fun part about basic.. learning how to use those
hmm..brb 		[00:06]
up_the_ironsah cool [00:09]
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RandalSchwartzhey up_the_irons [00:35]
up_the_ironshey RandalSchwartz [00:36]
RandalSchwartzso I got all my IPs on both boxes working now
including my v6's 		[00:36]
up_the_ironssweet [00:37]
RandalSchwartzjust realized that's 80 bits worth of personal addresses [00:37]
up_the_ironsmore like 16 bits worth of subnets [00:37]
RandalSchwartzindeed.
and with comcast starting to deliver v6 to homes... 		[00:38]
up_the_ironsin IPv6, "number of IPs" is actually not much of a topic [00:38]
RandalSchwartzI can use those [00:38]
up_the_ironsb/c there are so many; instead, we focus on how many subnets we have
/64 is your standard single subnet
i'm glad to see comcast getting on the ball
wonder if they'll give you a /56 or /48 to your home 		[00:38]
RandalSchwartzwhat is mzima.net? [00:39]
up_the_ironsone of my transits [00:40]
RandalSchwartzok
I notice my traceroutes seem to be different at different times. :)
just whatever's closest, right? 		[00:40]
up_the_irons"closest", yeah [00:41]
RandalSchwartzanyway, I've got the formula down for how to turn your info into freebsd rc.conf files [00:41]
up_the_ironsit'll tend to fluctuate, just the nature of the 'net [00:41]
RandalSchwartzI wonder if you could have a wiki so I can share what I figure out
not essential... just a thought 		[00:42]
up_the_ironsmmm.. all i got in the knowledge base [00:42]
RandalSchwartzrandom thoughts are like that. :P [00:42]
up_the_ironsa wiki is a good thought though [00:42]
RandalSchwartzin fact, you could modify your template for the box page to show configs
so I could just copy-paste them
if you knew I was freebsd, that is 		[00:43]
up_the_ironsoh that's true
yeah, the portal knows
i have an old article: http://support.arpnetworks.com/faqs/main/how-to-configure-ipv6-on-freebsd
[00:43]
RandalSchwartzdefaultrouter=174.136.96.177
ipv4_addrs_em0=174.136.96.178/30
gateway_enable=YES
ipv6_enable=YES
ipv6_gateway_enable=YES
oops
ipv6_defaultrouter=2607:f2f8:1640::1
ipv6_ifconfig_em0=2607:f2f8:1640::/48
like that
if you published that based on the numbers, I coudl just copy/paste it
you need that when you're building the box stock anyway
or how do you image it? 		[00:44]
up_the_ironsthose are generated automatically upon provisioning
rc.conf, etc... 		[00:45]
RandalSchwartzoh cool
maybe if I had just captured mine before wiping the disk... :) 		[00:45]
up_the_ironshaha
it gets a little more complicated when a customer has more than 1 vps
i'm looking to separate the ip block info from the vps service item 		[00:46]
RandalSchwartzI've talked with a lot of people about the idea of offsite ZFS snapshot backup service
you really need to look into that
it'd a be service almost nobody else is offering 		[00:46]
up_the_ironsb/c multiple VMs per customer is becoming a pain
yeah, i like that idea 		[00:46]
RandalSchwartzhey - how do you handle someone wanting to go from a 20GB to a 40GB drive?
do you mount a 40GB drive in addition for a bit? 		[00:47]
up_the_ironsno
lvextend, fdisk -BI, disklabel, growfs
in a NUTSHELL 		[00:47]
RandalSchwartzdoes zfs handle that? [00:48]
up_the_ironsoh i have no idea how to do it on zfs
most upgrades are ufs2 		[00:48]
RandalSchwartzyeah, just wondering [00:48]
up_the_ironsthe ones that are not, are ext3 [00:48]
RandalSchwartzmight need to look into that
not for me, but neil might eventually get rid of $90/month to amazon
and send it your way instead 		[00:48]
up_the_ironsec2? [00:49]
RandalSchwartzyeah [00:49]
up_the_ironswhat kinda stuff do u get for $90 on ec2? [00:49]
RandalSchwartzjust your basic dual CPU virtual box [00:49]
up_the_ironsrunning linux, or..? [00:50]
RandalSchwartzopensolaris or linux or windows
not freebsd 		[00:50]
up_the_ironsah i c
funny they support opensolaris first before freebsd 		[00:50]
RandalSchwartzI'm going to mirror his stuff to his box here
Sun did it 		[00:50]
up_the_ironsah [00:50]
RandalSchwartzSun made sure they were a player on EC2 [00:50]
up_the_ironshaha [00:51]
RandalSchwartzthe fbsd people are trying to get their stuff together
but not yet 		[00:51]
up_the_ironsyeah
so neil is looking for a ZFS based solution? 		[00:51]
RandalSchwartzI'm gonna mirror all of his website from EC2 to here [00:51]
up_the_irons(off-site backup, that is) [00:51]
RandalSchwartzand then fire it up
and show him it's just as good
so he can get rid of EC2 		[00:51]
up_the_ironssweet [00:51]
RandalSchwartzbut his 20G is likely going to be a bit tight after a while
he has some media files to serve
hence the question 		[00:51]
up_the_ironsah
and you put on ZFS for him? 		[00:52]
RandalSchwartzhis box is already live with email and DNS
yeah 		[00:52]
up_the_ironsok
interesting 		[00:52]
RandalSchwartzif you could just add a second 20G to the provision, I can mount it and spread data across both
zpool works that way
not sure what that looks like outside th ebox 		[00:52]
up_the_ironsi mean, i think it should be straight forward... if ZFS supports growing itself, then it is not an issue; extending the backing device (e.g. "making the 'physical' hard drive bigger") is trivial [00:53]
RandalSchwartzyeah, I'll look into that
might require a few zraid swaps 		[00:53]
up_the_ironsyeah, alternatively, i could easily give you a 2nd disk [00:53]
RandalSchwartz20G zraid with 40G will silver 20G on both [00:53]
up_the_ironsin fact that is the way i did upgrades before i was savvy with growfs and e2resize [00:53]
RandalSchwartzthen you "fail" the 20G
and replace it with a 40G
and it silvers both with the data
then you "fail" the second 40G 		[00:54]
up_the_ironsnice [00:54]
RandalSchwartzso that's one way to grow a disk if you have a bit of time
the nice thing is you can do that "live" 		[00:54]
up_the_ironsif you were to google for your remote zfs backup solution, what terms would you search for?
yeah, the "liveness" of it is hot
traditional method requires downtime 		[00:54]
RandalSchwartzzfs is all about the uptime :)
zfs offsite backup
and there's already someone claiming to be "first" 		[00:55]
up_the_ironsroger [00:55]
RandalSchwartzdamn! [00:55]
up_the_ironshaha [00:55]
RandalSchwartz... http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/29/dattos-z-series-worlds-first-on-off-site-backup-solution-to/
two years ago!
smugmug uses ZFS
I should get you in contact with someone there
so you can talk to them about ZFS best practices, and maybe they can help you figure out how this is best done
anyway - I think there's a business in there
and if you can figure out how to solve the last piece of redundancy 		[00:56]
up_the_ironsyeah i think you're right [00:58]
RandalSchwartzyou'll be one of the few (if not the first) to have it all [00:58]
up_the_ironshttp://developers.sun.com/solaris/articles/storage_utils.html
sun has something to say about it 		[00:58]
RandalSchwartzyou already have redundant disk, power, nets, etc.
you just need redundant geography
and I know many corps would pay nicely for htat
at multiple levels
data somewhere else
data somewhere else, ready to become hot after DNS 		[00:58]
up_the_ironsredundant geography isn't too hard; just gotta ship a router and some boxes somewhere [00:59]
RandalSchwartzdata somewhere else, ready to become hot on HA failover
and with ZFS snapshot shipping, minimum bytes to ship 		[00:59]
up_the_ironsthe 2nd site would have different IP range, so it'd be a DNS fail-over solution; with some experimentation and cost, it may be possible to share IP space [01:00]
RandalSchwartzwell - as I said, you could price differnet solutions differently [01:00]
up_the_ironsright [01:00]
RandalSchwartzfor me, for example, if I just had a way to get my data again, even if it required provisioning a new box, I'd be happy
but for some, having a second spare box ready to fire up would be better 		[01:00]
up_the_ironsright [01:01]
RandalSchwartzthat is, for me, you wouldn't have to allocate enough CPU beyond receiving the ZFS data
but for the second tier, you have to allocate enough cpu/memory/power for a box to go live at any moment
that's why I think you could have a nice variety of products for every off-site need
at different price points
I'm suggesting this to you because it's clear to me you already understand and live and breathe redundancy. :) 		[01:01]
up_the_ironsYes :)
I think about redundancy every day, it is a sickness really
;) 		[01:04]
RandalSchwartzwell - you're the guy I want on my side then. :)
by the way, I landed a nice 3-month contract in LA starting 3/15
so I'll be down your way quite a bit
do you know oversee.net ? 		[01:05]
up_the_ironsnice
no, i'm not familiar with them 		[01:06]
RandalSchwartzbasically, about 80% of the search-spam landing pages...
all done with a few dozen linux boxes to serve something like a million domains 		[01:07]
up_the_ironsnice [01:08]
RandalSchwartz44th floor of the building just northwest of the downtown library
some odd lawfirm name
diagonal from mccormick and schmicks
4th and flower maybe
something like that
515 S Flower 		[01:08]
up_the_ironssounds familiar [01:09]
RandalSchwartzso anyway, I'll be nearby soon
for probably halftime onsite, halftime off
I'd like to meet you some day. :) 		[01:09]
up_the_ironssure, let's get some lunch :)
and you'll be real close to the data center, i can show you around 		[01:10]
RandalSchwartznice
the center that's also the "cop station" in southland :) 		[01:10]
up_the_ironsyup, exactly :) [01:11]
RandalSchwartzok - well, I think it's time for me to sleep... nice chatting with you again. [01:12]
up_the_ironsRandalSchwartz: nice chattin' ! g'night [01:13]
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ziyourenxiangtoday when i ran freebsd-update on 7.2 is says that 7.2 is EOL soon... what do peope run? RELENG_7 or RELENG_8? [04:01]
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shmgetI use 8.0 [04:37]
bob^^8 on my vps, 7 on my own colo box (need to update it!) [04:42]
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toddfup_the_irons: openbgpd was written and developed to address the deficencies of quagga (and its predecessor)
up_the_irons: you'll find that pps performance is indicative of the hardware/os not the routing software
up_the_irons: openbgpd specifically has good bgp performance, not taking minutes to recalculate routes if anything changes; it is a tangent but it is noteworthy openbgpd takes 32mb for a full routing table, cisco takes 64mb
up_the_irons: I've never seen what you describe on MegaRAID it must be an older system or something, always clearly raid0/raid1/raid5/raid10/etc on my systems:
eclipse$ sudo bioctl ami0
Volume Status Size Device
ami0 0 Online 8986296320 sd0 RAID0
0 Online 9106882560 0:15.0 noencl <IBM OEM DCHS09W 2222>
ami0 1 Online 440087347200 sd1 RAID5
0 Online 146811125760 1:3.0 ses0 <FUJITSU MAP3147NC 5608>
1 Online 146811125760 1:8.0 ses0 <FUJITSU MAP3147NC 5608>
2 Online 146811125760 1:4.0 ses0 <SEAGATE ST3146807LC DS04>
3 Online 146811125760 1:5.0 ses0 <FUJITSU MAP3147NC 5608>
ami0 2 Hot spare 146815733248 1:2.0 ses0 <SEAGATE ST3146807LC DS04> 		[05:02]
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awyeahziyourenxiang: 7.2 is EOL soon because 7.3 will be out
Jesus, I should just pf deny everything from apnic. 		[07:37]
ziyourenxiangok, so i'll be able to freebsd-update to that then [07:38]
awyeahYep. 7.3 just isn't out quite yet. [07:39]
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shmgetanyone in the channel have sales experience? [16:12]
RandalSchwartzI sell myself all the time
RandalSchwartz puts on the red dress and high heels
what's your question? 		[16:13]
shmgetI'm a geek with no inclination to sales. I started a software consulting company, and got some projects in 2004-2005
since then, things have been slow
I'm trying to figure out how to sell my services. I have a website, and have good SEO rankings 		[16:21]
RandalSchwartzfigure out what you're good at, and where people are who might want that
then figure out what they read, look at, think about
and get into those 		[16:22]
shmgetyeah, i have been relying on writing articles and other things to 'attract' people, but i'm thinking I'll have to start cold calling [16:29]
RandalSchwartzold calling sucks
in general, easier to go hang out where they are
conferences, watering holes 		[16:33]
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jeevshmget, im in the same boat as you
i dont code and shit but
i do do well for myself, i just am not a salesman, it sucks ass
brb lazy 		[17:20]
shmgetonce in awhile someone sees my resume and gets in touch, but not much [17:28]
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