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[14:48] and yet the ignorant bafoons which call themselves republicans will still deny it [15:28] *** heavysixer_ has joined #arpnetworks [15:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer_ [15:28] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:28] *** heavysixer_ is now known as heavysixer [15:36] *** Sue-sama has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [15:54] *** epid has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [15:54] *** epid has joined #arpnetworks [16:09] up_the_irons: my apple timecapsule gives me a 6to4 tunnel, which is what I do from home [16:09] shmget: yeah, same thing [16:10] its a nice feature they put in [16:13] I should turn up ipv6 at home again. [16:13] I was using some free tunnel provider... go6 i think it was called? [16:13] The configuration on FreeBSD was easy - and it almost immediately configured the other boxes on my network automatically [16:16] sixxs [16:16] nice [16:19] Hurricane Electric also has a free tunnel broker. [16:19] The only problem is, my router (dd-wrt) doesn't support it... so I will have to lock down my BSD box here. [16:20] yeah, HE is the largest provider of IPv6 tunnels [16:20] they even provide full IPv6 routing tables if you peer with them [16:23] That's slick. [16:24] Hrm. I need to make sure I know what I'm doing... I kinda depend on NAT for security of my home LAN here. [16:27] NAT and IPv6 don't really play well together [16:28] Well I was able to do a tunnel through my ipv4 nat - but as I understand it, all the IPv6 addresses you get are fully routable. [16:28] IPv6 aims to make NAT obsolete [16:28] Right [16:28] Which is why I need to enable a few pf rules on my bsd box before I put the tunnel up ;) [16:29] yep [16:29] I gotta figure out how that works. [16:30] amyeah: nat is nothing more than 'block all; pass out' on the external interface of the firewall [16:30] in terms of security [16:30] you get no gain by natting other than obfuscation and pain [16:31] yep [16:31] I know what nat is - it's my home network, and i'm damn lazy [16:31] with v6 you are highly encouraged not to NAT though you unfortunately have that option in places [16:31] Now, if I had more than 1 IP address routed to me. I wouldn't nat. [16:31] 'I kinda depend on NAT for security' .. if you say that then you are not of the same mindset as I [16:31] I nat at home too [16:31] I don't depend on it for security [16:31] I use IPv6 more than IPv4 [16:32] if only openafs had ipv6 ... [16:32] then I wouldn't need v4 at all [16:32] I guess I've become complacent. [16:32] at least you can admit it. [16:32] I don't even run firewall software on my Windows box. [16:32] Because it's behind the nat. hah. [16:33] I've had ```security experts''' tell me that my idea of putting public IP's on windows is bunk for clients of mine even with proper firewalling [16:33] if you want private addressing for IPv6, use ULA's (rfc 4193) [16:33] Nah. I don't think I'll do private addressing. [16:33] * up_the_irons is impressed with toddf's use of ``` and ''' [16:33] What I should do is put another NIC in my BSD box and make it my router. [16:33] LaTeX and m4 training, baby [16:33] hahaha. [16:33] amyeah: or get a managed switch and use vlans .. [16:34] LOL [16:34] I like using the more contemporary `` and `` in restructured text (rst) [16:35] or an openbsd box and use vlans ;) [16:35] I don't have the desire to spend that kind of money on my home LAN. [16:35] But I would spend $30 to put additional NICs in my freebsd box. [16:35] managed switches aren't that expensive unless you're getting gigabit [16:35] Yeah? [16:35] 10/100 managed switches are dirt cheap now [16:35] Jesus. I don't even remember the last time I looked at any kind of non-consumer network hardware. [16:35] I get nics for $5 at a local monthly thing at the computer show, 10/100mbit intel nics [16:36] infact I get whole computers including nics from a local bottom feeder who buys surplus auction stuff for $5 [16:36] nice [16:36] desktops mind you, not the nice rackmounts [16:36] * jlgaddis ganks 'em from the spare parts bins at $work [16:37] nice.aslkjdaskldj [16:37] crap [16:37] animal / pet walk on your keyboard? [16:38] http://bit.ly/aFexoy for $9.99 you can have a 24port 10/100mbit managed switch [16:38] must be a fish cuz it only touched the home row [16:38] Nah. I dropped somethin on the keyboard. [16:38] including vlan support [16:39] yeah, you get shunned for using an allied telesyn in the data center, but it would do the job at home [16:39] vlan's, everything [16:39] I have a rapier 24i at home [16:40] i have a baystack 24 port 10/100 with PoE at the data center, just to power cameras ;) [16:40] got it brand spankin' new for $200 [16:40] supposedly have another one a client is decomissioning last year being sent to me as well, but that client tends to make vaporware promises that come true years later [16:40] 24 ports of PoE (IEEE compliant too) for $200 is killer [16:41] cisco ftw! [16:41] ja, thats the steal of a deal [17:03] *** Sue-sama has joined #arpnetworks [17:17] *** heavysixer_ has joined #arpnetworks [17:17] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [17:17] *** heavysixer_ is now known as heavysixer [17:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [17:18] http://www.linux-kvm.com/content/qemu-kvm-012-adds-block-migration-feature [17:18] * up_the_irons drools [17:27] hey up [17:27] how easy is it to get a kvm server up and running? [17:43] how long is a piece of string? [17:44] for me, it's pretty easy, but then again i've done it many times over [17:44] Man. I wish I could get that new TiVo QWERTY keyboard for my TiVo :( [17:46] So these fe80 addresses. Those are link local? [17:47] awyeah: yes [17:48] ping6 -n -w ff02::1%fxp0 -> `everybody bsd based that isnt filtering say hi!' [17:48] ping6 -n -w ff02::2%fxp0 -> `everybody bsd based that isnt filtering and is a router say hi!' [17:48] on the local ehternet link that is [17:49] Gotcha. [17:49] I really need to do some reading on ipv6. [17:49] v6 subnets are easy too [17:49] cidr notation only no netmasks [17:50] and /64 for the ethernet link local for globally routable addresses is the suggested and commonly experienced norm [17:51] k. [17:52] I actually have a tunnel up and running now on my bsd box. [17:52] Now to set up rtadvd and get it to be a gateway. [18:04] *** Sue-sama- has joined #arpnetworks [18:05] *** Sue-sama has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [18:06] woot. [18:11] That setup was actually rather easy. [18:11] nice [18:11] um. for ipv6 a records in DNS... it's AAAA right? [18:11] yup [18:12] Only thing that sucks. Got lots of latency. [18:13] *** Sue-sama- has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [18:13] what tunnel are you using? [18:13] Google via ipv4 is ~30ms. Via ipv6... ~200ms [18:13] he [18:13] um, fremont. [18:13] *** nite97m has joined #arpnetworks [18:14] $ ping6 -c 3 ipv6.google.com [18:14] PING ipv6.google.com(pv-in-x6a.1e100.net) 56 data bytes [18:14] 64 bytes from pv-in-x6a.1e100.net: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=31.8 ms [18:14] 64 bytes from pv-in-x6a.1e100.net: icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=31.7 ms [18:14] 64 bytes from pv-in-x6a.1e100.net: icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=31.9 ms [18:14] --- ipv6.google.com ping statistics --- [18:14] 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2036ms [18:14] rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 31.752/31.823/31.905/0.215 ms [18:14] Howdy Irons! [18:14] lucky me, but that's from a vps ;) [18:14] nite97m: howdy [18:14] * nite97m is anxiously awaiting his new vps :) [18:15] Well, y'know, I'm on roadrunner via time warner cable. It's at least 15 hops before I even get outside their network. :) [18:15] nite97m: saw your order, you'll get it tonight [18:15] And there are a couple of hops there that usually add latency, depending. [18:15] awesome :) [18:16] awyeah: yeah, if I ping6 from home, it'll be worse (also on TW). but one of my VM's I frequently hit on IPv6 from home, and I can't even tell a difference (actually, it is the VM that hosts my screen session for this very irc :) [18:17] Yeah but are you tunneling to your own datacenter? :) [18:18] awyeah: no, it's just plain TW [18:18] awyeah: w/e tunnel my airport extreme lands me on [18:18] Does it just do the tunneling for you? [18:18] like, zero config? [18:19] i used to actually advertise a public 6to4 tunnel, but then HE or L3 or one of those guys did their own, and knocked my out ;) (that is, it got a lot less usage) [18:19] awyeah: yeah, it uses the 6to4 anycast stuff; completely automatic [18:19] I wonder if I can set up my bsd box to do the same thing. [18:19] Maybe I'll get faster results. [18:20] *** Sue-sama has joined #arpnetworks [18:21] is that the 192.88.99.* thing? [18:21] yup [18:21] but that won't help you [18:22] only helps other people to discover your 6to4 relay, which you need to announce over bgp, etc... [18:22] in your case, it would be better just to set up your own tunnel on your vps [18:22] your vps has ipv6, so does your home, so connect the two [18:22] hey that's a good idea. [18:23] I have about a 90ms to my vps. [18:23] where do u live? [18:23] sounds like east coast [18:23] Ohio. [18:23] ok [18:23] 90ms you to me, 30ms me to google, so you're still looking at about 120ms [18:24] * shmget gets 87ms in CT [18:24] True. [18:24] almost halves the 200ms though [18:24] btw quick question. of course tunneling through the vps will use bandwidth... [18:24] How can I monitor my bandwidth - and what do you charge for overage? [18:24] 70ms from me to vps [18:25] vnstat ftw [18:26] awyeah: send support@arpnetworks.com an email requesting your bandwidth graphs [18:27] awyeah: generally $0.15 / GB on overage [18:27] up_the_irons, is HE as cheap as it is in FMT in LA ? [18:27] http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/freebsd-install-vnstat-network-traffic-monitor-software/ [18:27] jeev: i was quoted $4 per meg on 100 [18:27] oh [18:28] g4y [18:28] since you've had the network for a while now? [18:28] how is it [18:28] jlgaddis: I may do that - but - I'd like to see my usage as ARP sees it ;) [18:28] jeev: there OK [18:28] *they're [18:29] would you consider it serious value ? [18:29] irons - any plans to have those bandwidth graphs online in some form? [18:29] what bandwidth graphs [18:30] you email support and he'll set you up with it [18:30] nite97m: they are indeed online now :) [18:31] jeev: i'd rather pay the premium for level3; it makes a lot of sense for guys overseas [18:31] *** Sue-sama has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [18:31] was just curious for a potential customer [18:32] up_the_irons - sent. [18:38] let me see if I have this straight. [18:39] trying to figure out ipv6 PTR setup in bind. [18:40] is it IP6.INT or IP6.ARPA? [18:42] awyeah: ip6.arpa [18:42] my reverse zone is: [18:42] zone "8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.ip6.arpa" [18:42] silly bind [18:42] sheesh. [18:43] I'm not dyslexic. But when it comes to reversing parts of ipv6 addresses and splitting them .. [18:43] so 2607:f2f8:7400::/48 is what's assigned to my vps. [18:43] therefore: [18:43] zone "0.0.4.7.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.IP6.ARPA" { [18:44] yup :) [18:44] now. [18:44] $ORIGIN 0.0.4.7.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.IP6.ARPA. [18:44] and for the actual PTR.. [18:44] it gets better [18:44] 2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.6.1 IN PTR 4or6.com. [18:44] 2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 IN PTR excelsior6.awyeah.net [18:44] that's an actual entry for a customer ;) [18:44] awyeah: i think you need way more zeros :) [18:44] hrm. I don't feel like I have enough zeroes. [18:44] yeah. [18:44] you don't [18:44] you should have 4 less than me [18:45] I thought it was FOUR zeroes between the :: ? [18:45] :: acts as a filler [18:45] awyeah: no, :: eats all the _remaining_ zeros [18:45] oh [18:45] jesus [18:45] fsking engineers. [18:45] it's shorthand, so you don't have to do: 2607:f2f8:7400:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000:1 [18:45] ;) [18:45] so in the extreme case... :: is 32 0's [18:46] awyeah: actually you just need to blame bind for that lousy syntax [18:47] I thought they were putting together different record types for the DNS RFC's to help with that... [18:47] been far too long since I was actively working with v6. [18:47] not for reverse, that i know of [18:48] AAAA is IPv6 version of A [18:48] okay. fsck isc engineers :) [18:49] > server localhost [18:49] Default server: localhost [18:49] Address: ::1#53 [18:49] Default server: localhost [18:49] Address: 127.0.0.1#53 [18:49] > 2607:f2f8:7400::2 [18:49] Server: localhost [18:49] Address: 127.0.0.1#53 [18:49] 2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.4.7.8.f.2.f.7.0.6.2.ip6.arpa name = excelsior6.awyeah.net. [18:49] whoa, shit, sorry for that paste. [18:49] hehe, np [18:49] I meant to get that last line only. Sorry 'bout that. [18:50] rofl [18:50] haha. [18:50] I didn't know DALnet had that reputation! [18:51] although I did akill many many people for excessive flooding back in my day. [18:51] +++ATH0 ftw [18:51] oh - btw - speaking of the PTR stuff. Did you ever get chance to do the delegation? I can't remember. [18:51] * up_the_irons backports qemu-kvm 0.12.3 to Jaunty [18:52] friends dont let friends use ubuntui [18:52] awyeah: i did all delegations as of a couple nights ago [18:53] gee... A6 buildups look like a blast... [18:54] just looked at the ticket. I was the one who only gave you one DNS server... you asked me if I was sure :) [18:54] I updated it with another one. [18:54] awyeah: aw yeah, maybe i didn't get back to that one [18:55] * up_the_irons notices he used awyeah's nick in a phrase [18:55] nice. [18:59] up_the_irons: what's the current word on using A6 chains for forwards? [19:00] nite97m: huh? :) [19:01] well... ages & ages ago in the early v6 days (least it seems that way), A6 was introduced as a tool for building forward records for v6 dns [19:01] nite97m: yeah i've never even heard of it [19:02] basically you have A6 records for various portions of the address, like provider network, subnet, & host, then they get put together for the full address [19:02] heh - figures :P [19:02] I've done a fair bit of v6 off and on, but its been off for the most part for the last couple years :P [19:03] things change fast [19:03] indeed [19:04] I've been happy seeing reports of v6 showing up in more places, but havn't had the time to do much.. [19:04] comcast is starting up v6 trials this year though, so hopefully that will expand out nicely [19:05] ipv6 traffic increased something like 30x when googled turned on ipv6 for youtube [19:05] nice [19:06] seems like its getting much closer to the critical mass needed to start seeing things roll quick. [19:06] course theres only around 2-3 years worth of v4 space left available to allocate without some reclamation of legacy blocks... [19:07] nite97m: You mean like all the /8s they handed out like candy? :) [19:07] yep... all those legacy /8's :) [19:07] or opening up E space to allocation [19:07] that'll never work [19:08] too much equipment out there that'd have to be updated to support it [19:08] in *theory*, it should be fine, but there are plenty of other issues too... [19:09] like the evergrowing zero-default table size... [19:10] growing dfz is indeed an issue [19:10] at least that will theoretically slow down when there is no more v4 to allocate ;) [19:10] v6 is supposed to help that... we'll see [19:10] or, maybe it will spead up as networks fragment their blocks more [19:10] *speed [19:11] multihoming is still a bitch, is it not? [19:11] btw, what's so bad about ubuntu? [19:12] When I use Linux... I find Ubuntu to be the least pain in the ass :) [19:12] awyeah: its not bsd? :P [19:12] same [19:12] Well. Other than not being BSD :) [19:12] To tell you the truth, I like Ubuntu on the desktop better than bsd. [19:12] Don't hurt me though - I prefer Windows 7 even more :( [19:13] personally, I use lots of different unix. they're all mostly the same :P [19:13] On the desktop, that is. [19:13] well... the machine I'm sitting at right now is win7, but I have a fbsd vm if that counts :P [19:14] windows 7 is pretty 31337 [19:14] i just wish it looked a little more like win xp though [19:14] if you like win 7, you'll love openbsd.. since they're forks of one another [19:14] rofl [19:14] (i wonder where toddf is) [19:14] nowadays doesn't seem like i could even get a response out of him [19:15] jeev: i don't think he cares about your win7 vs openbsd comments [19:15] win7 has windows classic [19:15] up_the_irons, too bad. twas fun [19:15] jlgaddis, there is a classic shell dll, that's what you mean ? [19:15] i miss the real explorer.exe [19:15] there's a "windows classic" theme [19:15] it's what i use [19:15] jeev: You mean /usr/bin/explorer.exe - at least on openbsd. [19:16] and um [19:16] that uses /usr/local/lib/system32/shell.dll [19:16] ahh [19:16] yea i know [19:16] yea [19:16] wait... I think I saw those files on my firewall [19:16] it's awesom [19:16] e [19:17] If you ever have trouble with explorer not seeing that, just ldconfig, it'll be fine. [19:17] hahah [19:17] And if that doesn't work you may need.. um.. /usr/sbin/regsvr32.exe [19:18] I keep that installed in /usr/local/sbin myself [19:18] ah yes [19:18] in other news... fscking blackberry messenger is down and I need to txt my girlfriend. [19:18] how do u find the total mem from this: [19:18] Mem: 7904K Active, 131M Inact, 52M Wired, 96K Cache, 34M Buf, 45M Free [19:18] (freebsd) [19:18] I don't want to pay per use SMS... but I also don't want to call her. [19:18] active+inactive+what? [19:19] hang on [19:19] i'd add it up i think [19:19] I think it's just the total [19:19] with Mem [19:19] no, it's not [19:19] ok, let me see [19:19] Mem: 145M Active, 1558M Inact, 226M Wired, 17M Cache, 112M Buf, 56M Free [19:19] one of those values I think is a subset of another [19:19] yea i think [19:19] it's Inactive and active [19:19] + free [19:20] 1759 [19:20] nope [19:20] 1985 [19:20] 2002 [19:20] 2097 [19:20] weird i dunno man [19:20] i'd just look it up in /var/log/messages :P [19:20] i know, has always confused me [19:20] grep real\ memory [19:20] or sysctl [19:20] try /usr/local/windows/system32/taskmgr.exe [19:21] then click on the second tab. [19:21] * shmget wishes DALnet would get an IPv6 node to connect to [19:21] can't believe people still use dalnet [19:21] fuck, if I don't stop this I'm going to start doing that [19:21] heh [19:21] So what actually happened with DALnet. [19:21] sysctl hw.physmem [19:21] I left there probly around 2002 or 2003 [19:22] and stopped using IRC entirely, really [19:22] awyeah: they are still around [19:23] * awyeah looks to see if old www.dal.net is still in the wayback machine [19:23] OT, anyone happen to know if you can do separate backgrounds per monitor in win7? [19:23] I dunno if you can [19:23] you can do the slideshow thing [19:24] I think so. I could plug the tv back into this box and see if I can find the widget to do that [19:26] http://www.binaryfortress.com/displayfusion/ [19:34] http://www.flickr.com/photos/jlgaddis/4404917471/ [19:59] *** ballen has joined #arpnetworks [19:59] *** ballen has quit IRC (Changing host) [19:59] *** ballen has joined #arpnetworks [19:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ballen [19:59] *** ballen has quit IRC (Client Quit) [20:08] Well I think I have all the setup on my vps done now. [20:08] (!) [20:09] does that ever really happen? [20:10] ... for now [20:10] heh [20:54] *** nite97m has quit IRC () [21:04] WOW. I've got to say. This VPS is far faster than DreamHost. [21:04] God I don't know why I didn't do self-hosting before. [21:23] I documented my steps. [21:23] http://bit.ly/9q1mwv [21:24] sfw? [21:24] damn, it is [21:25] haha yeah. [21:25] I mean I could put a picture of boobs in there randomly. [21:25] you should [21:25] i'd add it to my rss list [21:25] haha [21:26] I guess that's a way to get hits. [21:26] pr0n! [22:13] priz0n is hot [23:28] *** visinin has quit IRC (Quit: sleep)