[01:21] *** baklava has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [02:12] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [02:56] Sue-sama: you should have received your vps info if you ordered on friday, i processed all those [02:56] check spam folder [04:25] *** baklava has joined #arpnetworks [05:57] *** Sashi has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [05:57] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [06:47] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [06:50] *** visinin has joined #arpnetworks [07:17] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: ziyourenxiang) [07:28] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [07:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [07:48] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [07:51] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [08:00] *** visinin has quit IRC (Quit: re) [08:02] *** visinin has joined #arpnetworks [08:23] *** schmir has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [08:37] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [09:36] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Quit: heavysixer) [09:41] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [11:16] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [11:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [13:13] *** heavysixer_ has joined #arpnetworks [13:13] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:13] *** heavysixer_ is now known as heavysixer [13:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [13:30] hey guys, to those who don't know, I'm the co-author of Pledgie (pledgie.com) and right now we're trying to win the Pepsi Refresh contest ($25K in funding if we are in Top 10). We're at 84 now. [13:30] http://www.refresheverything.com/pledgie [13:30] If anyone in would vote, I'd appreciate it! [13:30] *in here [13:34] theres two votes [13:35] thanks! [13:35] +1 :) [13:36] w00t [13:36] insightcruises.com mail is now happily routed into his box. :) [13:36] you're at 60 so far [13:36] I have to install postgrey though [13:37] way too much spam :) [13:37] that was fast [13:37] I also need to get DNS cut over [13:38] RandalSchwartz: mail is on the VPS? nice :) [13:39] Sue-sama: wow, that *was* fast [13:39] and thank you for giving me an IP that wasn't RBLed :) [13:39] RandalSchwartz: oh yes, if 100% of my IPs are not clean, then that is news to me [13:40] oh, up_the_irons [13:40] didja get that email on support@? [13:50] Sue-sama: probably [13:50] been a busy couple of support days [13:51] its all good, just a media chage request [14:00] Finally getting my VPS set up. This is noticeably faster than other VPS's I've used. [14:00] awyeah: this is a common reaction... [14:01] awyeah: be sure to note if you send a ssh rsa pubkey to support@ you get remote serial console and reboot capabilities [14:01] remember the old 386s that had the turbo button? up_the_irons keeps that pushed in on your vps for the first week or so. [14:01] Yeah I saw that. [14:02] I don't have my key here at work, otherwise I would've sent it already ;) [14:02] Long live the turbo button. [14:02] What's that bump it to, 25MHz? [14:02] hah, i remember when you had to turn the turbo button off to play games :/ [14:02] otherwise they all went too fast [14:04] Trying to decide. [14:04] Should I install wordpress via ports, or should I do it manually. [14:04] Ports. [14:04] ports! [14:04] always ports! [14:04] Does that screw up wordpress' automatic update functionality? [14:05] * mike-burns shrugs. [14:05] i installed it from source. automatic update works fine. [14:05] it shouldn't do - it should be like installing from source, only easier [14:05] (what os?) [14:05] FreeBSd. [14:05] *D [14:05] yeah it should be fine - i haven't tried it, but i can't see why it would break the update feature [14:06] you can always keep it up to date via ports, too (assuming the maintainer keeps it up to date, that is) [14:06] I may actually play with wordpress-mu too. I have two sites I want to host. [14:06] Yeah that's the thing, ports can lag a little. I'd imagine the wordpress port probably doesn't lag by more than a couple days, but still. When it comes to security stuff. [14:06] yeah, agreed [14:06] * bob^^ is glad he doesn't offer web hosting anymore [14:07] hrm. I'm going to head home. Back in a little while. [14:07] wordpress-mu used to lag significantly behind wrt security updates [14:07] dunno if it still does, but fyi [14:08] (and that was from svn) [14:16] up_the_irons, 53 [14:22] *** visinin has quit IRC (Quit: out for a bit) [14:51] ah. [15:01] Well I don't really want to use wordpress-mu... but since I've got two wordpress sites, I think I'll just do wordpress manually. [15:01] Everything else ports, of course! [15:31] *** vtoms has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [16:01] up_the_irons - how do you want to handle RDNS for a single-IP? [16:01] delegation seems a bit... silly [16:07] RandalSchwartz: just let me set the PTR for you [16:07] http://support.arpnetworks.com/faqs/main/reverse-dns [16:12] great thanks [16:12] * RandalSchwartz drops email to support [16:16] np! [16:17] just added postgrey... in the past 30 minutes, mail has reduced 90% [16:17] which was probably all spam [16:17] wow nice [16:17] I'm worried about false positives though [16:18] the "whitelist" looks pretty big [16:18] if only the bad guys would look at that list, they could get whitelisted :) [16:18] sekretz [16:18] for example, "southwest.com" apparently doesn't resend!! [16:18] that's pretty sad [16:18] whoa [16:19] so if your email server is down a bit, forget that notice from them that your plane has been changed :) [16:19] hahahaha [16:24] oh and ameritradeinfo.com [16:25] ... http://greylisting.org/whitelisting.shtml [16:27] * DaCa prefers to use dnswl.org as whitelist [16:30] oh yeah... I have notes about that somewhere [16:37] the servers in there would pass greylisting anyway, so it helps a lot in getting the delays down [16:38] * jlgaddis wishes he just could take servers to $work. [16:38] do I have to use rsync to get it to work in postfix? [16:38] postfix has direct RBL query now [16:40] dunno, I feed it in a pf table which bypasses spamd :) [16:40] not using spamd [16:40] postfix + postgrey [16:41] I recall vagely there was a recipe for postfix on the site [16:41] yeah - it involves rsync [16:42] what's wrong with rsyncing? isn't it good to have a copy locally? [16:43] just a couple more things to set up, instead of a simple config :) [16:43] being lazy [16:45] just a oneliner in /etc/daily.local :) [17:10] far out (literally!) - the lead mars rover driver is going to talk to me on FLOSS Weekly about the use of open source software on the rover [17:11] Oh. THAT Randal Schwartz. Totally did not put it together. [17:11] Long-time podcast subscriber. [17:12] "hey mr. obvious, long time listener, first time caller." [17:13] :( [17:17] heh - yeah, it's me [17:17] I'm all over the nets. :) [17:19] http://store.northshoreshirts.com/imfaonint.html [17:19] heh. [17:21] Hrm. Is there a FreeBSD port similar to byobu on Ubuntu? [17:22] Nifty screen profiles. [17:22] cd /usr/ports && make search key= [17:23] I never knew about make search. [17:23] intuitive, eh? :) [17:23] next - they'll be implementing "make haste" and "make love" :) [17:23] I did look around though - using Google. :) [17:24] They did implement `make love'. [17:24] That's good stuff. [17:24] on the old RSTS/E system we had, "make love" responsed with "not war?", and then went on :) [17:27] That's what it does on BSD. [17:27] thanks up_the_irons [17:40] RandalSchwartz: np [17:44] Bleh, now the hard part. Deciding how I'm going to do backup. Might just do it the same way I do it with my BSD box here at home. dump, bzip2, duplicity and amazon s3. [17:48] i rsync the important stuff to a box at home, make tarballs of that nightly, and also do backups using tarsnap [17:49] (running tarsnap at home on the rsync'd files, that is) [17:50] nightly rsync is typically ~350 kB of data, and about the same for the online backup using tarsnap [17:50] That's similar to what I do with my current web hosting [17:50] I pull all the files down using rsync. Those go into a backup directory. [17:50] yeah, if the vps shits itself, i have the important stuff on another freebsd box at home. and if it shits itself too, i have 'em backed up online. [17:51] Said backup directory also has files from my desktop system at home, and dumps of the main filesystems from the box. [17:51] the box being the BSD box at home. [17:51] All that stuff gets wrapped up, then I use duplicity to upload it to s3. [17:51] Those all go on a mirrored ZFS on the box [17:52] the nice thing about the dumps is that if the OS drive in that box shits the bed, I can pull the dumps down and just restore it. [17:52] No reinstalling the OS or anything. [17:52] nice [17:53] I'm actually working on an article about it.... I should finish that thing up... [17:54] i've been slackin' on posting shit to my site [17:54] ditched the last gf, so been partying a lot [17:54] Same here. I mean it's not like I really get many hits. Still fun. [17:54] I think I have more articles in pending status than actually posted ;) [17:55] I've looked into tarsnap before. I think it ends up being a little more expensive than s3 [17:56] However, it is way more BSDish than s3, considering who wrote it ;) [17:56] yeah, the backend storage for it is actually s3 [17:56] indeed [17:56] And really, I just use dump because I'm lazy. [17:56] i kinda like that my data is encrypted before hitting teh intertubes too [17:56] True. [17:57] I suppose I could add gpg to my solution [17:57] It's lazy because dump gets *everything* [17:57] Basically taking an image of the filesystem [17:57] *nod* [17:57] And since FreeBSD isn't based on Windows 7 like OpenBSD is, it doesn't take up a ton of disk space ;) [17:58] haha [18:00] And I'm pretty sure you can dump a filesystem to itself, since it uses snapshots [18:00] I haven't tried that yet. [18:00] nfi [18:00] oh gawd, please don't tell me jeev rubbed off on someone [18:00] <-- not really a server guy [18:00] * jlgaddis tries to stay at layer 4 and below (layer 3, ideally) [18:01] Nobody rubbed off on me. I think I'd know! [18:03] hmm, i know where i could probably put a server that nobody would care [18:04] and seeing as how i have keys to the place and run the network there... =) [18:05] heh. [18:06] can't put one in at $work, unfortunately [18:19] hrm, apparently we're getting $25M of that broadband stimulus money to build out more fiber though [18:19] Nice. [18:20] Seems like we need it, I just read somewhere that the US has the lowest average broadband speed of all the developed nations. [18:23] we (.edu) already have damn good connectivity, but... not gonna bitch =) [18:24] jlgaddis: where do you work? I want some of the broadband stimulus money, doh... [18:30] heh, you want to build out 600-something miles of fiber for us? =) [18:43] hey up_the_irons? [18:43] do you have to modify the vm for openbsd? [18:43] i chainloaded into it, but its angry and doesnt have any network interfaces [18:44] Sue-sama: http://scie.nti.st/2009/10/4/running-openbsd-4-5-in-kvm-on-ubuntu-linux-9-04 [18:44] nothing else is needed [18:44] that'll cure the no network interfaces problem? [18:45] Sue-sama: no [18:45] :< [18:45] cures booting past "setting tty flags" [18:46] if you don't see network interfaces, you're doing something wrong [18:46] and i don't know what that would be [18:46] seriously [18:46] i get to the config for network interfaces [18:46] and it says the only available netOH [18:46] i bet i know why [18:46] it had network interfaces when I gave it to you, the rest is up to you :) [18:46] * Sue-sama submits a ticket to actually put the iso in the vm [18:48] i tried using bsd.rd [18:52] bsd.rd is probably stock; you need to disable mpbios if there is trouble booting past 'setting tty flags' [18:52] bsd.rd doesnt have the modules for the network interface [18:52] and it boots all the way [18:54] i c [18:54] this vm's been pretty kooky [18:54] sometimes it doesnt respond to vnc [18:56] vnc only supports one connection; if you try to open another w/o shutting down the first, it'll hang [18:56] then im just slow at disconnecting, weird [18:57] or it could be that head trauma... nothing like getting angry at someone and putting a hole in a wall with your head ;_; i really aughta just put freebsd on the server, install mysql and unrealirc on it and be done with it [18:58] no thought involved in a split lap/obmi [18:58] *fbmi [19:32] *** visinin has joined #arpnetworks [19:34] Glad I got that done! [19:34] That article was sitting in the holding pen for far too long [19:35] Of course, that time might have been better spent getting the site moved over to my VPS ;) [20:03] up_the_irons, i'll take the rest of your cabinet but if i start unplugging shit, dont blame me.. i promised open source that if i ever find an openbsd a.k.a. windows system, i'd take it off the net [20:03] "openbsd aka window"? [20:04] windows. [20:05] I don't know why theo forked openbsd from windows. maybe it's more secure than linux. [20:06] yea i dont know but it's weird. [20:15] lovely - big bang theory has a good torrent already [20:15] BBT rocks for kaley cuoco [20:15] and just that it's actually accurate for terminology [20:28] Notice: http://twitter.com/bsdvps/statuses/9859629499 [20:28] *** RandalSchwartz has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [20:28] "A drive has failed in our "kvr04" server. If your VNC host is "kvr04", your VPS will experience slower I/O as the RAID rebuilds." [20:29] *** epid has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [20:41] *** epid has joined #arpnetworks [22:39] up_the_irons: PST or UTC? [22:39] PST, presumably... [22:42] california people are way too cool to use pathetic little UTC [22:43] i've never added drives hotswap to a server that i'm supposed to raid [22:43] i probably need to reboot and create the array.. [22:43] but will it take it's time ? [22:44] don't have to reboot it, but disk i/o decreases because it has to rebuild the raid [22:46] no, i have to add 4 new drives, gonna make raid1 on each 2 [22:46] how can i create the raid without going into the raid utility [22:50] ooooh, i thought you were talking about up_the_irons [22:56] nop