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| up_the_irons | Sue-sama: you should have received your vps info if you ordered on friday, i processed all those
check spam folder | [02:56] |
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| up_the_irons | hey guys, to those who don't know, I'm the co-author of Pledgie (pledgie.com) and right now we're trying to win the Pepsi Refresh contest ($25K in funding if we are in Top 10). We're at 84 now.
http://www.refresheverything.com/pledgie If anyone in would vote, I'd appreciate it! *in here | [13:30] |
| Sue-sama | theres two votes | [13:34] |
| up_the_irons | thanks! | [13:35] |
| bob^^ | +1 :) | [13:35] |
| up_the_irons | w00t | [13:36] |
| RandalSchwartz | insightcruises.com mail is now happily routed into his box. :) | [13:36] |
| Sue-sama | you're at 60 so far | [13:36] |
| RandalSchwartz | I have to install postgrey though
way too much spam :) | [13:36] |
| Sue-sama | that was fast | [13:37] |
| RandalSchwartz | I also need to get DNS cut over | [13:37] |
| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: mail is on the VPS? nice :)
Sue-sama: wow, that *was* fast | [13:38] |
| RandalSchwartz | and thank you for giving me an IP that wasn't RBLed :) | [13:39] |
| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: oh yes, if 100% of my IPs are not clean, then that is news to me | [13:39] |
| Sue-sama | oh, up_the_irons
didja get that email on support@? | [13:40] |
| up_the_irons | Sue-sama: probably
been a busy couple of support days | [13:50] |
| Sue-sama | its all good, just a media chage request | [13:51] |
| awyeah | Finally getting my VPS set up. This is noticeably faster than other VPS's I've used. | [14:00] |
| toddf | awyeah: this is a common reaction...
awyeah: be sure to note if you send a ssh rsa pubkey to support@ you get remote serial console and reboot capabilities | [14:00] |
| jlgaddis | remember the old 386s that had the turbo button? up_the_irons keeps that pushed in on your vps for the first week or so. | [14:01] |
| awyeah | Yeah I saw that.
I don't have my key here at work, otherwise I would've sent it already ;) Long live the turbo button. What's that bump it to, 25MHz? | [14:01] |
| bob^^ | hah, i remember when you had to turn the turbo button off to play games :/
otherwise they all went too fast | [14:02] |
| awyeah | Trying to decide.
Should I install wordpress via ports, or should I do it manually. | [14:04] |
| mike-burns | Ports. | [14:04] |
| toddf | ports! | [14:04] |
| bob^^ | always ports! | [14:04] |
| awyeah | Does that screw up wordpress' automatic update functionality? | [14:04] |
| mike-burns | mike-burns shrugs. | [14:05] |
| jlgaddis | i installed it from source. automatic update works fine. | [14:05] |
| bob^^ | it shouldn't do - it should be like installing from source, only easier
(what os?) | [14:05] |
| awyeah | FreeBSd.
*D | [14:05] |
| bob^^ | yeah it should be fine - i haven't tried it, but i can't see why it would break the update feature
you can always keep it up to date via ports, too (assuming the maintainer keeps it up to date, that is) | [14:05] |
| awyeah | I may actually play with wordpress-mu too. I have two sites I want to host.
Yeah that's the thing, ports can lag a little. I'd imagine the wordpress port probably doesn't lag by more than a couple days, but still. When it comes to security stuff. | [14:06] |
| bob^^ | yeah, agreed
bob^^ is glad he doesn't offer web hosting anymore | [14:06] |
| awyeah | hrm. I'm going to head home. Back in a little while. | [14:07] |
| jlgaddis | wordpress-mu used to lag significantly behind wrt security updates
dunno if it still does, but fyi (and that was from svn) | [14:07] |
| Sue-sama | up_the_irons, 53 | [14:16] |
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| awyeah | ah. | [14:51] |
| Well I don't really want to use wordpress-mu... but since I've got two wordpress sites, I think I'll just do wordpress manually.
Everything else ports, of course! | [15:01] | |
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| RandalSchwartz | up_the_irons - how do you want to handle RDNS for a single-IP?
delegation seems a bit... silly | [16:01] |
| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: just let me set the PTR for you
http://support.arpnetworks.com/faqs/main/reverse-dns | [16:07] |
| RandalSchwartz | great thanks
RandalSchwartz drops email to support | [16:12] |
| up_the_irons | np! | [16:16] |
| RandalSchwartz | just added postgrey... in the past 30 minutes, mail has reduced 90%
which was probably all spam | [16:17] |
| up_the_irons | wow nice | [16:17] |
| RandalSchwartz | I'm worried about false positives though
the "whitelist" looks pretty big if only the bad guys would look at that list, they could get whitelisted :) | [16:17] |
| up_the_irons | sekretz | [16:18] |
| RandalSchwartz | for example, "southwest.com" apparently doesn't resend!!
that's pretty sad | [16:18] |
| up_the_irons | whoa | [16:18] |
| RandalSchwartz | so if your email server is down a bit, forget that notice from them that your plane has been changed :) | [16:19] |
| up_the_irons | hahahaha | [16:19] |
| RandalSchwartz | oh and ameritradeinfo.com
... http://greylisting.org/whitelisting.shtml | [16:24] |
| DaCa | DaCa prefers to use dnswl.org as whitelist | [16:27] |
| RandalSchwartz | oh yeah... I have notes about that somewhere | [16:30] |
| DaCa | the servers in there would pass greylisting anyway, so it helps a lot in getting the delays down | [16:37] |
| jlgaddis | jlgaddis wishes he just could take servers to $work. | [16:38] |
| RandalSchwartz | do I have to use rsync to get it to work in postfix?
postfix has direct RBL query now | [16:38] |
| DaCa | dunno, I feed it in a pf table which bypasses spamd :) | [16:40] |
| RandalSchwartz | not using spamd
postfix + postgrey | [16:40] |
| DaCa | I recall vagely there was a recipe for postfix on the site | [16:41] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah - it involves rsync | [16:41] |
| DaCa | what's wrong with rsyncing? isn't it good to have a copy locally? | [16:42] |
| RandalSchwartz | just a couple more things to set up, instead of a simple config :)
being lazy | [16:43] |
| DaCa | just a oneliner in /etc/daily.local :) | [16:45] |
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| RandalSchwartz | far out (literally!) - the lead mars rover driver is going to talk to me on FLOSS Weekly about the use of open source software on the rover | [17:10] |
| awyeah | Oh. THAT Randal Schwartz. Totally did not put it together.
Long-time podcast subscriber. | [17:11] |
| jlgaddis | "hey mr. obvious, long time listener, first time caller." | [17:12] |
| awyeah | :( | [17:13] |
| RandalSchwartz | heh - yeah, it's me
I'm all over the nets. :) | [17:17] |
| jlgaddis | http://store.northshoreshirts.com/imfaonint.html | [17:19] |
| awyeah | heh.
Hrm. Is there a FreeBSD port similar to byobu on Ubuntu? Nifty screen profiles. | [17:19] |
| jlgaddis | cd /usr/ports && make search key=<whatever> | [17:22] |
| awyeah | I never knew about make search. | [17:23] |
| RandalSchwartz | intuitive, eh? :)
next - they'll be implementing "make haste" and "make love" :) | [17:23] |
| awyeah | I did look around though - using Google. :) | [17:23] |
| mike-burns | They did implement `make love'. | [17:24] |
| awyeah | That's good stuff. | [17:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | on the old RSTS/E system we had, "make love" responsed with "not war?", and then went on :) | [17:24] |
| mike-burns | That's what it does on BSD. | [17:27] |
| RandalSchwartz | thanks up_the_irons | [17:27] |
| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: np | [17:40] |
| awyeah | Bleh, now the hard part. Deciding how I'm going to do backup. Might just do it the same way I do it with my BSD box here at home. dump, bzip2, duplicity and amazon s3. | [17:44] |
| jlgaddis | i rsync the important stuff to a box at home, make tarballs of that nightly, and also do backups using tarsnap
(running tarsnap at home on the rsync'd files, that is) nightly rsync is typically ~350 kB of data, and about the same for the online backup using tarsnap | [17:48] |
| awyeah | That's similar to what I do with my current web hosting
I pull all the files down using rsync. Those go into a backup directory. | [17:50] |
| jlgaddis | yeah, if the vps shits itself, i have the important stuff on another freebsd box at home. and if it shits itself too, i have 'em backed up online. | [17:50] |
| awyeah | Said backup directory also has files from my desktop system at home, and dumps of the main filesystems from the box.
the box being the BSD box at home. All that stuff gets wrapped up, then I use duplicity to upload it to s3. Those all go on a mirrored ZFS on the box the nice thing about the dumps is that if the OS drive in that box shits the bed, I can pull the dumps down and just restore it. No reinstalling the OS or anything. | [17:51] |
| jlgaddis | nice | [17:52] |
| awyeah | I'm actually working on an article about it.... I should finish that thing up... | [17:53] |
| jlgaddis | i've been slackin' on posting shit to my site
ditched the last gf, so been partying a lot | [17:54] |
| awyeah | Same here. I mean it's not like I really get many hits. Still fun.
I think I have more articles in pending status than actually posted ;) I've looked into tarsnap before. I think it ends up being a little more expensive than s3 However, it is way more BSDish than s3, considering who wrote it ;) | [17:54] |
| jlgaddis | yeah, the backend storage for it is actually s3
indeed | [17:56] |
| awyeah | And really, I just use dump because I'm lazy. | [17:56] |
| jlgaddis | i kinda like that my data is encrypted before hitting teh intertubes too | [17:56] |
| awyeah | True.
I suppose I could add gpg to my solution It's lazy because dump gets *everything* Basically taking an image of the filesystem | [17:56] |
| jlgaddis | *nod* | [17:57] |
| awyeah | And since FreeBSD isn't based on Windows 7 like OpenBSD is, it doesn't take up a ton of disk space ;) | [17:57] |
| jlgaddis | haha | [17:58] |
| awyeah | And I'm pretty sure you can dump a filesystem to itself, since it uses snapshots
I haven't tried that yet. | [18:00] |
| jlgaddis | nfi | [18:00] |
| up_the_irons | oh gawd, please don't tell me jeev rubbed off on someone | [18:00] |
| jlgaddis | <-- not really a server guy
jlgaddis tries to stay at layer 4 and below (layer 3, ideally) | [18:00] |
| awyeah | Nobody rubbed off on me. I think I'd know! | [18:01] |
| jlgaddis | hmm, i know where i could probably put a server that nobody would care
and seeing as how i have keys to the place and run the network there... =) | [18:03] |
| awyeah | heh. | [18:05] |
| jlgaddis | can't put one in at $work, unfortunately | [18:06] |
| hrm, apparently we're getting $25M of that broadband stimulus money to build out more fiber though | [18:19] | |
| awyeah | Nice.
Seems like we need it, I just read somewhere that the US has the lowest average broadband speed of all the developed nations. | [18:19] |
| jlgaddis | we (.edu) already have damn good connectivity, but... not gonna bitch =) | [18:23] |
| up_the_irons | jlgaddis: where do you work? I want some of the broadband stimulus money, doh... | [18:24] |
| jlgaddis | heh, you want to build out 600-something miles of fiber for us? =) | [18:30] |
| Sue-sama | hey up_the_irons?
do you have to modify the vm for openbsd? i chainloaded into it, but its angry and doesnt have any network interfaces | [18:43] |
| up_the_irons | Sue-sama: http://scie.nti.st/2009/10/4/running-openbsd-4-5-in-kvm-on-ubuntu-linux-9-04
nothing else is needed | [18:44] |
| Sue-sama | that'll cure the no network interfaces problem? | [18:44] |
| up_the_irons | Sue-sama: no | [18:45] |
| Sue-sama | :< | [18:45] |
| up_the_irons | cures booting past "setting tty flags"
if you don't see network interfaces, you're doing something wrong and i don't know what that would be | [18:45] |
| Sue-sama | seriously
i get to the config for network interfaces and it says the only available netOH i bet i know why | [18:46] |
| up_the_irons | it had network interfaces when I gave it to you, the rest is up to you :) | [18:46] |
| Sue-sama | Sue-sama submits a ticket to actually put the iso in the vm
i tried using bsd.rd | [18:46] |
| up_the_irons | bsd.rd is probably stock; you need to disable mpbios if there is trouble booting past 'setting tty flags' | [18:52] |
| Sue-sama | bsd.rd doesnt have the modules for the network interface
and it boots all the way | [18:52] |
| up_the_irons | i c | [18:54] |
| Sue-sama | this vm's been pretty kooky
sometimes it doesnt respond to vnc | [18:54] |
| up_the_irons | vnc only supports one connection; if you try to open another w/o shutting down the first, it'll hang | [18:56] |
| Sue-sama | then im just slow at disconnecting, weird
or it could be that head trauma... nothing like getting angry at someone and putting a hole in a wall with your head ;_; i really aughta just put freebsd on the server, install mysql and unrealirc on it and be done with it no thought involved in a split lap/obmi *fbmi | [18:56] |
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| awyeah | Glad I got that done!
That article was sitting in the holding pen for far too long Of course, that time might have been better spent getting the site moved over to my VPS ;) | [19:34] |
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| jeev | up_the_irons, i'll take the rest of your cabinet but if i start unplugging shit, dont blame me.. i promised open source that if i ever find an openbsd a.k.a. windows system, i'd take it off the net | [20:03] |
| RandalSchwartz | "openbsd aka window"? | [20:03] |
| jeev | windows. | [20:04] |
| RandalSchwartz | I don't know why theo forked openbsd from windows. maybe it's more secure than linux. | [20:05] |
| jeev | yea i dont know but it's weird. | [20:06] |
| RandalSchwartz | lovely - big bang theory has a good torrent already
BBT rocks for kaley cuoco and just that it's actually accurate for terminology | [20:15] |
| up_the_irons | Notice: http://twitter.com/bsdvps/statuses/9859629499 | [20:28] |
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| up_the_irons | "A drive has failed in our "kvr04" server. If your VNC host is "kvr04", your VPS will experience slower I/O as the RAID rebuilds." | [20:28] |
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| jlgaddis | up_the_irons: PST or UTC?
PST, presumably... | [22:39] |
| jeev | california people are way too cool to use pathetic little UTC
i've never added drives hotswap to a server that i'm supposed to raid i probably need to reboot and create the array.. but will it take it's time ? | [22:42] |
| jlgaddis | don't have to reboot it, but disk i/o decreases because it has to rebuild the raid | [22:44] |
| jeev | no, i have to add 4 new drives, gonna make raid1 on each 2
how can i create the raid without going into the raid utility | [22:46] |
| jlgaddis | ooooh, i thought you were talking about up_the_irons | [22:50] |
| jeev | nop | [22:56] |
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