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[09:11] ssh pubkey [09:12] a what. a pubkey? [09:12] :) [09:14] *** visinin has joined #arpnetworks [09:14] then you can hit the ssh console to reset your vm or hit serial console etc [09:15] ah k [09:16] you also should be able to see the settings on your portal to hit the vnc port for your vm as well [10:57] *** vtoms has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 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[19:31] yea same [19:31] minus the excited [19:31] Ah, that's too bad. [19:32] not lamenting it or anything [19:32] I do wish I could skip work and hack on this GNOME applet I've been writing, but programming in Ruby all day is A+ too. [19:32] heh right on [19:33] I need to hack through a bunch of crap perl that isn't mine to take care of [19:34] just so my users can be migrated off some old servers [19:34] When I wrote Perl we treated it as a "write-only language"; we'd never modify it but instead re-write anything instead. [19:34] heh [19:34] "Oh, there's a bug somewhere in foo.pl? Let's re-write it!" [19:35] yea good plan [19:35] Yeah well the company went out of business. [19:35] don't have the time, nor the biology background to do that with these [19:35] lmao [19:36] Ah, Perl is super popular in bioinfomatics, etc. I remember that during my last year as a Perl hacker. [19:36] yea, the problem is [19:36] you have these scientist [19:36] that do the programming [19:36] they've only taken minimum programming classes if any [19:36] or are self-taught [19:36] Heh, the classic problem. [19:37] as such... in this case, their scripts are un-portable as hell [19:37] I've taken care to teach my engineer girlfriend decent programming skills for when she sometimes needs to write the MATLAB or whatever script. [19:37] and of course the one guy that could fix it, doesn't have time because hes a team lead and doing SCIENCE [19:37] i wish i could code. [19:38] * mike-burns pictures SCIENCE as green liquids in tubes being poured into each other. [19:38] usually not green [19:38] in our case [19:38] rather little samples of DNA or rDNA [19:39] that you put in some machine that reads said DNS or rDNA [19:39] DNA* [19:40] the overall issue being said machines only read a certain amount of pairs of chromosomes [19:40] It still seems magical to me, after 10 years of programming, that software can read from weird hardware. Like the Perl that reads DNA, or the MATLAB that reads lasers. [19:40] yea its pretty interesting [19:40] perl and DNA is almost all string manipulation [19:41] Yeah, that's also crazy to me. [19:41] and pattern recognition [19:41] I suppose it makes total sense to use Perl for that, but I don't know which came first: using Perl for that, or it making total sense. [19:41] using Perl [19:41] Heh, noted. [19:42] I know alot of people are using Python these days for this [19:42] Oh yeah, there's some book out there that teaches DNA processing and coindicentally teaches Python along the way. [19:42] yea [19:43] then there is a number of utilities that produce some sort of data from the reads [19:43] Yeah those are crucial. [19:43] then using all of that automated data creation, a person stands at the very end of the "pipeline" [19:44] and tries to put it all together [19:44] into a full genome [19:44] and the person is the biggest bottleneck [19:44] but the "finishing" is still a bit of a black magic [19:45] Yeah, still needs actual intelligence in there somewhere. [19:46] yea and the weird thing is we aren't putting a lot of dev time into automating that persons work [19:46] we just add more people [19:46] Well automating that person's work would leave that person without a job. [19:46] They certainly don't want that. [19:47] true [19:47] can't imagine that job is very rewarding [19:47] just assembly factory work [19:47] A bunch of years back I had to build (in Perl) a communication layer between the mainframe and the Web server software used by a major college, because if we moved to Postgres the mainframe guy would be out of a job. [19:47] should be doing SCIENCE [19:48] hah [19:48] Programming is funny when politics gets involved. [19:48] indeed [19:49] Debian can't ship OpenSSL because of politics, and this strikes me as strange every time I re-discover it. [19:50] heh which politics is that? [19:50] them breaking it a while back? [19:50] 4-clause BSD license. [19:50] ah [19:50] yea [19:51] You have to add the non-free repo to get both OpenSSL and unrar. [19:51] heh thats silly [19:51] To us BSD guys, it certainly is. [19:51] *** visinin has joined #arpnetworks [19:51] thats why I'm a fan of the BSD's [19:51] love that we can have ZFS [19:52] There's no doubt that the BSDs are better OSes, for both political and technical reasons. [19:52] indeed, agreed [19:52] But, Linux has features, which is one thing *BSD is missing. It's why I now run Debian on my laptop. [19:52] Sad days. [19:52] sad face [19:52] linux is still killing it on the multimedia tip :( [19:52] Exactly. [19:53] yes, and the damn bio community when dev'ing open source apps will write to linux not all platforms [19:53] some will work on Solaris [19:53] depending where the work comes out of [19:53] i'm honestly considering a switch from linux to a dual-boot win7/freebsd or win7/openbsd setup though [19:53] there ya go [19:53] because it's not like linux does multimedia particularly well [19:54] I do Mac OS X with a Win 7 or Win XP VM [19:54] it's just passable [19:54] yeah man [19:54] at least for my desktop/laptops [19:54] visinin: I'd recommend FreeBSD as your introductory BSD. Not that OpenBSD is bad, but FreeBSD has more desktop features. [19:54] mike-burns: noted. i've run openbsd before, in fact, and got my feet pretty wet. i'm still a bit of a freebsd noob. [19:54] but ULE looks crazy [19:54] the new scheduler ? [19:55] yeah [19:55] why crazy [19:55] well, i've been hearing that it does a particularly good job for desktop workloads [19:55] linux's CFS has had a lot of problems in that domain [19:55] ah yea [19:55] seems to work pretty good [19:55] so many that ck wrote *another* new scheduler recently, BFS [19:56] oh, while i'm talking about it [19:56] would you recommend i install win7 or freebsd first? [19:56] i'm thinking freebsd [19:56] I know I'm running a MySQL instance for a Zabbix monitoring service (also running on the same server) doing roughly 90-100 writes a sec [19:56] at like .1 load [19:56] visinin: For dual-boot, typically you install Windows first, then the other OSes. [19:57] yea [19:57] gotcha, thanks [19:58] noone talked about NetBSD [19:58] meh [19:58] We're not academics! [19:59] heh [19:59] i'd like to play with netbsd [19:59] very minimal [19:59] but not necessarily as a primary OS [19:59] good choice if you want BSD + Xen [19:59] pkgsrc got my head hurting [19:59] ballen: thats why I wanted to give it a try [20:00] right on [20:00] I primarily use ESXi + FreeBSD [20:01] Disk performance any good? [20:01] seems to be fine [20:01] just using local raid 5 and near line 7.2k sas drives [20:02] oh hm [20:02] anybody know offhand how freebsd plays with ntfs? [20:02] hah [20:02] or, alternately, how windows plays with ffs? [20:02] actually no idea [20:02] ffs == ufs btw [20:02] ufs, noted [20:03] maybe some drivers for winders [20:03] looks like you can use Fuse in FreeBSD [20:03] and as a result ntfs-3g [20:04] http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/sysutils/fusefs-ntfs/ [20:04] well, bless my nippers! [20:09] That's quite the expression. [20:10] indeed [20:10] mike suggestions on Ruby full-text search solutions [20:10] ? [20:13] Er, I don't know. I hear good things about Sphinx. We typically throw mySQL full text at it until we need something more. [20:13] yea [20:13] currently I have data stored in Redis [20:13] rather not have to have duplicate data [20:14] i.e. redis + Sphinx [20:14] http://github.com/nateware/redis-textsearch [20:14] looks promising [20:14] One of our clients uses MarkLogic, which may or may not solve your issue. (What I know of it is: pain in the ass, not worth it.) [20:14] mmk [20:15] ew XML Server [20:15] not a fan of XML [20:15] Oh that redis-textsearch looks promising, according the README. [20:15] yea [20:16] currently using http://ohm.keyvalue.org/ and Redis [20:16] not a bad combo [20:16] Nice, nice. [20:31] hmm [20:31] its splitting up data quite a bit to search via a key/value db [20:31] will ballon data usage a lot [20:32] Full-text search is a hard problem; not sure that it's been solved for key/value stores. [20:35] so looks like they're splitting up the phrase [20:35] for each word [20:36] they add it to an index [20:37] an index for each field, so "title", "tags" ,etc [20:37] somehow, it has to be associated with the ID of the object in the index [20:37] as thats whats being resulted [21:03] *** ballen has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [21:16] *** visinin has quit IRC (Quit: alright) [21:39] *** ballen has joined #arpnetworks [21:39] *** ballen has quit IRC (Changing host) [21:39] *** ballen has joined #arpnetworks [21:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ballen