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visinin has quit IRC ("lunch") -: Prael impressed with vnstat jeev: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=918849&goto=newpost i spoke to the guy on aim he said he didn't consider arp cause the site was minimal the first time, then he posted this e-sensibility thing this morning Prael: Funny. The site being simple and too the point was something I liked. toddf: I couldn't get over all the details on the RHS .. nobody else comes close, especially with IPv6
and console access jeev: huh
toddf, post toddf: post? jeev: some guy responds saying 'anyone with xen can launch it'
on webhostingtalk
and the guy signs up with him toddf: xen can launch what? jeev: it's so funy how people will go with a company that JUST said they'll "try" it
freebsd
rather than going with a recommendation where i spoke to te guy on aim and told him, i've tested it and it's stable toddf: http://arpnetworks.com/vps <-- this is what I'm talking about, you want me to signup with webhostingtalk.com and defend this turf? maybe if I was bored, I'm rather time pressed lately ;-( Prael: I don't see anything on the e-sensibility site about dedicated IP's or IPV6... or consol, or what they use... sheesh
Place stinks of oversell. ToastyX: I hate pretty sites that don't tell you anything
what's the point jeev: oh ToastyX: people go to sites for information
put information! mike-burns: Information can only cause people not to do something. ToastyX: even worse is if you ask for information and they don't even read what you asked sroute: I popped a note on the WHT thread. jeev: it pisses me off
i even got on AIM and told him
and he took someone elses recommendation who JUST installed it on xen
no benchmarking, stability testing.. beta nothing
sroute, give me something random to talk bout Prael: Flashlights. jeev: eh
i had a crazy crazy flashlight and i lost it
i duno i thin i left it in my car when i traded it in for the newer one
i was so happy and did it fast cause i had messed up the stereo system in the car, cd was jammed.. didn't want them to see it ;) Prael: Nice lol. ***: RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks RandalSchwartz: and so it begins - http://friendfeed.com/artemd/f2a8c77d/heard-about-on-floss-weekly-and-i-wonder-if-they
up_the_irons - told ya. :)
you're getting a free ad on a 50k-downloaded podcast almost every week now. :) up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: nice :)
i'm gonna have to put a sold out sign up unless my new server comes real soon... ;) RandalSchwartz: heh up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: so you are a Southland fan? RandalSchwartz: never seen the show before
went because of Bob and Chris, co-workers at yellowbot ***: mart1n has quit IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) jeev: Southland ?
that is the GREATEST SHOW
it > 24. ***: mart1n has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: ah.. it's a good show. i'm confused why I can only find Season 1 info on their site.. Season 1 already aired on Fox last year RandalSchwartz: well, season 2 started tuesday night jeev: up_the_irons, all there is is season 1. RandalSchwartz: so there's not much up_the_irons: jeev: their police station is actually the data center irl, i just noticed that the other day RandalSchwartz: yeah - you tweeted that jeev: RandalSchwartz, i thought tnt or whatever was airing season 1
and calling it new
RandalSchwartz, im pretty sure tnt is airing the same season that fox aired up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: yeah, tried to find season 2 on my DVR, couldn't (dumb). RandalSchwartz: tnt aired all of season 1 during the day
and then the first of season 2 that night up_the_irons: oh i c jeev: oh shiet
was it gewd ? up_the_irons: it *did* seem they were trying to call season 1 new jeev: i LOVE that show. RandalSchwartz: jeev - I saw the hollywood premiere jeev: On November 2, 2009, TNT announced it has purchased the rights to Southland's original seven episodes, as well as six completed episodes from what would have been its second season. Southland will begin airing on TNT on January 12, 2010.[5] The station has no plans to change the look of the show, and no additional episodes of the series have been ordered pending an assessment of ratings for the original 13.[6] RandalSchwartz: with many of the actors and the producer Prael: Heh, TV. Check out the vid off irssi.org's front page for a laugh. jeev: RandalSchwartz, o0o0o, i've been to a ton of premiers, my really good friend knows *
either way, southland is the greatest series, i hope it continues
if not, i will fund it from my own pocket up_the_irons: lol RandalSchwartz: bob and chris shot videos at http://www.southlandtvfans.com/
my videos will be up there soon
and my pix jeev: heh RandalSchwartz: ... http://www.southlandtvfans.com/2010/01/13/los-angeles-southland-screening-qa-video-part-1 jeev: up_the_irons, you got charter ? RandalSchwartz: notice "@merlyn" there. :)
oh by the way, Bob is looking at changing hosts, and is liking what I'm saying about arp
so you may actually get to host that website soon. :) jeev: RandalSchwartz, am i talking too big of southland if i say it's better than 42 ?
24 ? RandalSchwartz: then you can tell people that the picture of the station is also *inside* the station. :)
I've never seen 24.
and i've seen only the season 2 eps 1 of southland
so I don't have a lot to compare
cop shows aren't my cup of tea jeev: 24 is cool but i'm tired of so many obvious things happening
i love cop shows
im not into anything reality
other than that shit
up_the_irons, did you see the wht post up_the_irons: RandalSchwartz: host southlandtvfans.com? LOL, that'd be rad
jeev: yeah saw the post, meh
jeev: 24 is retarded, but i can't stop watching it ;) jeev: im tired of people inside the whitehouse and shit making phone calls, orchestrating things
but season 7 was just what 9/11 was
so it's a good watch
if only the dumb population of america would come to understand that things happen for a reason and it's not who they say it is, it'd be a better place cause shit wouldn't happen
;) mike-burns: Sure, what's what Cube is about. ***: jeev has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
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schmir` has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) sroute: up_the_irons: LOL re 24. Ditto here. RandalSchwartz: hear http://twit.tv/floss104
arp mentioned at 4 minutes in jlgaddis: women in open source
hah! ***: mart1n has quit IRC (Client Quit)
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ChanServ sets mode: +o ballen ballen: blah jlgaddis: you can say that again ***: ballen_ has joined #arpnetworks
ChanServ sets mode: +o ballen_ toddf: up_the_irons: don't put out `sold out' put out `order eta: 2 days' etc ;-) -: d^_^b is going to try to upgrade his openbsd vm on arpnet :D toddf: you're aware of the 'disable mpbios' stuff, and you have your ssh pubkey setup to ssh to serial console/reboot menu, right? d^_^b: toddf: yes sir Prael: How do you set that up? toddf: Prael: cat .ssh/id_rsa.pub | mail -s "gimme access" support@arpnetworks.com d^_^b: hehe toddf: d^_^b: then you should be fine... d^_^b: toddf: trying to find a good vnc client. toddf: what os? d^_^b: os x toddf: then I can't help; if you use unixy x stuff, I'd recommend ssvnc, it contains resize support d^_^b: why doesn't the crappy finder vnc://blah:5955 work! RandalSchwartz: chicken of the VNC d^_^b: RandalSchwartz: wait, is this the RandalSchwartz ? RandalSchwartz: that's what I was using
yes toddf: vnc://blah:55 ? d^_^b: wait wait RandalSchwartz: wait what? Prael: For VNCish stuff I like TightVNC. But last I heard it lacks any real OSX support. -: d^_^b picks up Mastering Perl toddf: tightvnc doesn't do resize d^_^b: RandalSchwartz: hi :D RandalSchwartz: I did a foreword for that
but the main part of the book is brian's d^_^b: RandalSchwartz: FYI dj_goku not that it matters, but we have spoke before. RandalSchwartz: cool d^_^b: RandalSchwartz: you used a different handle, merlin right? RandalSchwartz: I use merlyn a lot, but I'm slowly moving away from that ***: dj_goku_ has joined #arpnetworks ballen_: <d^_^b> JollysFastVNC d^_^b: RandalSchwartz: how come? ballen_: is the best d^_^b: ballen_: haha I have it installed :D RandalSchwartz: well - my books are under my real name
and my podcasts d^_^b: ballen_: wow, it isn't free :( ballen_: whaaaa RandalSchwartz: it would be silly to say "merlyn" when I introduce myself :) ballen_: 39.99 oh wtf RandalSchwartz: I still use merlyn@stonehenge.com for my email though
had that for 15 years ballen_: heh d^_^b: RandalSchwartz: haha, merlyn => 'RandalSchwartz'
hehe :) ballen_: hah: http://failblog.org/2010/01/14/wording-fail/ Prael: Oh, that's why your name sounded familiar. First time I ever wrote a program that actually did anything *useful* was after reading the llama book =) d^_^b: nice I am getting some wd0a device timeout writing in my obsd vm.
Prael: small world here on irc :) RandalSchwartz: cool ballen_: woot, just got a Amazon Gold box deal, Dwell magazine for 10 bucks d^_^b: backed up my vm files here goes for an upgrade! Prael: I can't decide whether I owe you a beer or if I should blame you for many a sleepness night thereafter. ;) ***: d^_^b has quit IRC ("later!") RandalSchwartz: heh dj_goku_: I hope my first upgrade goes easily.
wonder how hard it would be to write a vnc client... RandalSchwartz: why write one?
so many free ones out there. dj_goku_: RandalSchwartz: for the mac?
that can use non-standard port so I can connect to arpnetworks serial console :) RandalSchwartz: Yeah
chicken of the vnc
yes - I use it for my arp dj_goku_: ZOMG
lame, so, what am I missing? RandalSchwartz: remember to subtract 5900
which is the "base" of vnc
for example, my port is 6104, so I use 204
it's like X11 uses 6000+N
VNC uses 5900+N dj_goku_: holy crap! you r0x RandalSchwartz RandalSchwartz: and why that isn't in ARP's instructions, I dunno -: RandalSchwartz nudges dj_goku_: hehe RandalSchwartz: "some vnc clients use a 5900 offset as a base. you might need to subtract 5900 from the following number" ballen_: Should put up a wiki
so we can add such things RandalSchwartz: the problem is you have to be old-school to know that ballen_: heh old-school eh RandalSchwartz: dinosaur school dj_goku_: haha
well here goes the reboot into bsd.rd! ballen_: good luck ***: ballen has quit IRC (Nick collision from services.)
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10:45PM up 101 days, 23:35, 1 user, load averages: 0.08, 0.15, 0.14 RandalSchwartz: ... 8:35PM up 440 days, 13:19, 1 user, load averages: 0.72, 0.86, 0.89
but soon to go away
this is my old openbsd box dj_goku_: I have been with arpnetworks for 3 months!
well at least 3 months, last kernel rebuild.
RandalSchwartz: nice, going to fresh install? RandalSchwartz: this is the box on the old host
my freebsd box is already running, but not yet given authority
I have most things compiled, most things copied,
but now comes the fun work of making it all play togheter
and then working out the transition plan dj_goku_: RandalSchwartz: cool, why are you switching to freebsd? RandalSchwartz: mostly because zfs for / ballen: love the root ZFS RandalSchwartz: openbsd doesn't have that
and never weill
sucks that apple stopped negotiations ballen: yep
ZFS has some funky licensing Prael: Does fbsd support zfs's snapshotting? ballen: yep
think the only thing missing these days is
iscsi Prael: :o
That's awesome. Will have to look into this. ballen: and thats just because FreeBSD is missing a good iscsi target daemon
Prael: http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot
docs on howto setup zfs root RandalSchwartz: when fbsd gets ZFS block-de-duping, it'll truely be unbeatable ballen: ah yea
that just hit opensolaris last release correct? RandalSchwartz: I mean, it already has block-copies. that's pretty cool
yeah, recent dj_goku_: should I get the x*.tgz for openbsd in the upgrade? RandalSchwartz: if you want to build X tools, yes ballen: block de-duping a very cool idea
dj_goku if you need gui libs, or X11 ***: heavysixer has quit IRC () dj_goku_: I don't need it for irssi do I? RandalSchwartz: even if you're headless, you may want to fire up a remote xterm Prael: Irssi won't need x libs ballen: no idea RandalSchwartz: so yes, if you want an xterm, you need it. dj_goku_: oh, I only use this for irc mostly :D
well a backup irc client. ballen: don't forget if you need xclock ;-) dj_goku_: haha Prael: Mostly just IRC here too. Was going to run a tor relay with some of the spare bandwidth, but there's a bug with recent openssl and tor. dj_goku_: sure is downloading really slow :( Prael: Been fixed in tor but it hasn't made it to the ports tree yet =/ RandalSchwartz: I have Terminal.app -> ssh -> screen -> GNU emacs -> irc.el
to be here ballen: hah ew dj_goku_: RandalSchwartz: haha nice
RandalSchwartz: you ever try aquaemacs? RandalSchwartz: for a bit
then I went back to carbon/cocoa emacs
works better for me dj_goku_: you would think arpnetworks would have internal openbsd/pub/OpenBSD/4.6/amd64 directory. ballen: just use a different mirror
openbsd.org is in Canada dj_goku_: ballen: arpnetworks is in cali right? ballen: yea LA dj_goku_: could be the mirror I am using.
I am using a cali mirror
in Redwood City, CA, USA ballen: still slow? RandalSchwartz: redwood city! ballen: http://mirror.rit.edu/pub/OpenBSD/4.6 is going 500k or so RandalSchwartz: use buffalo.edu :)
find someone on internet2 dj_goku_: took 10 minutes for 7800KB to download. toddf: dj_goku: you want xbase if you install many ports, including php, which tends to pull in things that requires x libs, xshare for compilation ballen: rit.edu == my old school dj_goku_: toddf: hrm, alright, hopefully I can stop this and start over hehe RandalSchwartz: rochester
near buffalo dj_goku_: ctrl +C the best way to stop the download of packages? RandalSchwartz: sorta
right?
or is that rosseleur ballen: yea
45 minutes to the east of Buffalo RandalSchwartz: yeah, I've driven through there at high speeds toddf: dj_goku: uh, just let it go RandalSchwartz: rochester - the original place where they make lots of copies :) ballen: indeed
and make film toddf: you can add xbase* xshare* on a 2nd pass ballen: Kodak RandalSchwartz: home of xerox and kodak
no wait, xerox was somewhere close by ballen: no
its was Rochester RandalSchwartz: yeah ballen: as well as IBM dj_goku_: toddf: maybe I will wait until 4.7 in may and add it then :) RandalSchwartz: so rochester is the original of many copes :)
copies ballen: also Bausch and Lomb dj_goku_: seems to be getting faster toddf: dj_goku: do you install many ports? that is the criteria you should be using, otherwise you might end up with missing libs RandalSchwartz: you're on the downhill side now. :) dj_goku_: toddf: irssi + tmux is all I need currently. -: RandalSchwartz upgrades all his installed ports with portmaster ballen: portupgrade
in freebsd toddf: pkg_add -ui !!! mardraum: portmaster > portupgrade ballen: whhhy mardraum: no depends
no ruby ballen: i likes ruby
;-) mardraum: and I have never seen it fuck up perl mods (like I have portupgrade) ballen: ah
fair enough
I'll give it a try dj_goku_: almost done with bsd.rd crap, I already had that :( RandalSchwartz: portmaster seems to do a lot more things nicely mardraum: ballen: I don't really have an opinion on the language (ruby), but it's just extra crap on a server that I don't need RandalSchwartz: I looked at the UI of both ballen: yea actually this is good, because portupgrade uses Ruby 1.8 and I use 1.9 for webapps
nice Microsoft picture Rnadal
Randal* RandalSchwartz: yeah
not their first white-paste-y mistake ballen: seriously shitty photoshopping dj_goku_: RandalSchwartz: wow, Intel shafted you. RandalSchwartz: I don't blame intel
I blame the oregon voters for electing the crazy people who believed the telcos that this broad law was necessary dj_goku_: toddf: downloads stalled, seems I will have to CTRL + C ballen: what happened Randal? dj_goku_: RandalSchwartz: ah, I just read what was on wikipedia RandalSchwartz: lightlink.com/fors/
go read. :) ballen: Object not found! RandalSchwartz: add www ballen: ahhh needs a www RandalSchwartz: www.lightlink.com/fors/ -: dj_goku_ thinks that his vm is fubared now dj_goku_: great.. toddf: dj_goku: uh, if you control-c in an upgrade, just exit, and it'll start again
dj_goku: note that if you have vnc running you can hit a key (f12 ?) to boot from iso .. to get a bsd.rd .. to fix things up ;-) dj_goku_: it wasn't getting a ip address not sure why it was trying to do that.
booting back into bsd.rd toddf: surely you didn't try to dhcp your address.. (I'm not aware arpnetworks does that for customers vm's) dj_goku_: I used the defaults for the installer. toddf: you said upgrade dj_goku_: I haven't ever had issues with boulder (ftp3.*), it is going fine now. toddf: defaults would use existing network config dj_goku_: toddf: right, but I had to ctrl + C it, and started again # install from prompt
but, then it was asking for network, so I just rebooted and started over. toddf: what does it use for your dns? wierd that it stalled..
silly people, openbsd devs have made the install/upgrade scripts re-startable, no need to waste time rebooting ;-) -: dj_goku_ hasn't ever upgraded before, I have been using openbsd since 2.9ish. ballen: RandalSchwartz: thats some messed up shit you had you go through toddf: if you backup and install from scratch each update, wow, thats a lot of work dj_goku_: a lot of stuff to remember haha
I just backup /etc /home and call it good -: toddf facepalm dj_goku_: I try for 2 facepalms a day, almost there! 40 minutes left today!! toddf: and never once did you think your life might be easier with upgrade?
new releases even have 'sysmerge' to make updating /etc easy dj_goku_: not until I got a VPS from arpnet :D
toddf: takes 10 minutes to backup and reinstall
well probably turns into 30 minutes but haha ***: ballen has quit IRC () dj_goku_: if all goes well I will be doing this more often!! toddf: to each their own, I know what takes me less time, I'd never update my laptop if the procedure involved what you prescribe ;-) dj_goku_: haha
I am still a openbsd newb.
Though it is what I have used the longest. toddf: since 2.9. thats one heck of a dedicated newb. you have to try to not learn .. to consider yourself a newb after that long ;-) Prael: Quitters never win dj_goku_: uh oh! downloads are complete!! -: dj_goku_ goes to read the upgrade openbsd page dj_goku_: toddf: I don't want to reboot yet do i? toddf: I have no clue what you've done, an install or an upgrade, so ... dj_goku_: upgrade toddf: you'll have to make that call.. dj_goku_: I have finished the upgrade jeev: what is all this chitter chatter without me toddf: if you followed the prompts, and sets were downloaded, and you're back to the prompt, and it _tells_ you to reboot, well .. Prael: Having a party toddf: jeev: drats, party's over, the openbsd hater is here -: dj_goku_ is scared and reboots! dj_goku_: crapp!!! jeev: amazing fact: openbsd doesn't do all the great things windows does dj_goku_: stupid forgot the uh, mpsbos thingy toddf: amazing fact: windows is not something to strive for, but something to run away from
.. screaming jeev: windows is a great thing in my life, for it makes me amazing amounts of monies when people bring in their malfare infested systems
malware toddf: dj_goku: then hit your ssh menu and reboot jeev: toddf, never run *near* windows, you may crash into them and cut yourself toddf: s/reboot/reset your vm/ dj_goku_: aye
ssh menu? toddf: 'boot> bsd -c' 'disable mpbios' 'quit' .. login .. as root .. 'config -ef /bsd' 'disable mpbios' 'q' ..
dj_goku: I specifically asked above... dj_goku_: right I know I forgot. jeev: toddf, press f8, go into safe mode and check to see what is running on boot dj_goku_: just hard shut it down then right? toddf: that menu yeah, aren't there 3 levels, soft, reset, hard ? just do reset, its faster jeev: amazing fact: openbsd was named after me dj_goku_: oh I just rebooted it from the web
looks like it is up and running, going to finish the upgrade.
haha it is up and running, not "looks like"
toddf: still around? ***: d^_^b has joined #arpnetworks dj_goku_: beautiful!, I only have one file left to merge though.
actually nevermind
toddf: you were right it was easy!! thanks! ***: amdprophet has joined #arpnetworks
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