http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=918849&goto=newpost i spoke to the guy on aim he said he didn't consider arp cause the site was minimal the first time, then he posted this e-sensibility thing this morning
Funny. The site being simple and too the point was something I liked.
I couldn't get over all the details on the RHS .. nobody else comes close, especially with IPv6
and console access
huh
toddf, post
post?
some guy responds saying 'anyone with xen can launch it'
on webhostingtalk
and the guy signs up with him
xen can launch what?
it's so funy how people will go with a company that JUST said they'll "try" it
freebsd
rather than going with a recommendation where i spoke to te guy on aim and told him, i've tested it and it's stable
http://arpnetworks.com/vps <-- this is what I'm talking about, you want me to signup with webhostingtalk.com and defend this turf? maybe if I was bored, I'm rather time pressed lately ;-(
I don't see anything on the e-sensibility site about dedicated IP's or IPV6... or consol, or what they use... sheesh
Place stinks of oversell.
I hate pretty sites that don't tell you anything
what's the point
oh
people go to sites for information
put information!
Information can only cause people not to do something.
even worse is if you ask for information and they don't even read what you asked
I popped a note on the WHT thread.
it pisses me off
i even got on AIM and told him
and he took someone elses recommendation who JUST installed it on xen
no benchmarking, stability testing.. beta nothing
sroute, give me something random to talk bout
Flashlights.
eh
i had a crazy crazy flashlight and i lost it
i duno i thin i left it in my car when i traded it in for the newer one
i was so happy and did it fast cause i had messed up the stereo system in the car, cd was jammed.. didn't want them to see it ;)
Nice lol.
and so it begins - http://friendfeed.com/artemd/f2a8c77d/heard-about-on-floss-weekly-and-i-wonder-if-they
up_the_irons - told ya. :)
you're getting a free ad on a 50k-downloaded podcast almost every week now. :)
RandalSchwartz: nice :)
i'm gonna have to put a sold out sign up unless my new server comes real soon... ;)
heh
RandalSchwartz: so you are a Southland fan?
never seen the show before
went because of Bob and Chris, co-workers at yellowbot
Southland ?
that is the GREATEST SHOW
it > 24.
RandalSchwartz: ah.. it's a good show.  i'm confused why I can only find Season 1 info on their site..  Season 1 already aired on Fox last year
well, season 2 started tuesday night
up_the_irons, all there is is season 1.
so there's not much
jeev: their police station is actually the data center irl, i just noticed that the other day
yeah - you tweeted that
RandalSchwartz, i thought tnt or whatever was airing season 1
and calling it new
RandalSchwartz, im pretty sure tnt is airing the same season that fox aired
RandalSchwartz: yeah, tried to find season 2 on my DVR, couldn't (dumb).
tnt aired all of season 1 during the day
and then the first of season 2 that night
oh i c
oh shiet
was it gewd ?
it *did* seem they were trying to call season 1 new
i LOVE that show.
jeev - I saw the hollywood premiere
On November 2, 2009, TNT announced it has purchased the rights to Southland's original seven episodes, as well as six completed episodes from what would have been its second season. Southland will begin airing on TNT on January 12, 2010.[5] The station has no plans to change the look of the show, and no additional episodes of the series have been ordered pending an assessment of ratings for the original 13.[6]
with many of the actors and the producer
Heh, TV. Check out the vid off irssi.org's front page for a laugh.
RandalSchwartz, o0o0o, i've been to a ton of premiers, my really good friend knows *
either way, southland is the greatest series, i hope it continues
if not, i will fund it from my own pocket
lol
bob and chris shot videos at http://www.southlandtvfans.com/
my videos will be up there soon
and my pix
heh
... http://www.southlandtvfans.com/2010/01/13/los-angeles-southland-screening-qa-video-part-1
up_the_irons, you got charter ?
notice "@merlyn" there. :)
oh by the way, Bob is looking at changing hosts, and is liking what I'm saying about arp
so you may actually get to host that website soon. :)
RandalSchwartz, am i talking too big of southland if i say it's better than 42 ?
24 ?
then you can tell people that the picture of the station is also *inside* the station. :)
I've never seen 24.
and i've seen only the season 2 eps 1 of southland
so I don't have a lot to compare
cop shows aren't my cup of tea
24 is cool but i'm tired of so many obvious things happening
i love cop shows
im not into anything reality
other than that shit
up_the_irons, did you see the wht post
RandalSchwartz: host southlandtvfans.com?  LOL, that'd be rad
jeev: yeah saw the post, meh
jeev: 24 is retarded, but i can't stop watching it ;)
im tired of people inside the whitehouse and shit making phone calls, orchestrating things
but season 7 was just what 9/11 was
so it's a good watch
if only the dumb population of america would come to understand that things happen for a reason and it's not who they say it is, it'd be a better place cause shit wouldn't happen
;)
Sure, what's what Cube is about.
up_the_irons: LOL re 24. Ditto here.
hear http://twit.tv/floss104
arp mentioned at 4 minutes in
women in open source
hah!
blah
you can say that again
up_the_irons: don't put out `sold out' put out `order eta: 2 days' etc ;-)
you're aware of the 'disable mpbios' stuff, and you have your ssh pubkey setup to ssh to serial console/reboot menu, right?
toddf: yes sir
How do you set that up?
Prael: cat .ssh/id_rsa.pub | mail -s "gimme access" support@arpnetworks.com
hehe
d^_^b: then you should be fine...
toddf: trying to find a good vnc client.
what os?
os x
then I can't help; if you use unixy x stuff, I'd recommend ssvnc, it contains resize support
why doesn't the crappy finder vnc://blah:5955 work!
chicken of the VNC
RandalSchwartz: wait, is this the RandalSchwartz ?
that's what I was using
yes
vnc://blah:55 ?
wait wait
wait what?
For VNCish stuff I like TightVNC. But last I heard it lacks any real OSX support.
tightvnc doesn't do resize
RandalSchwartz: hi :D
I did a foreword for that
but the main part of the book is brian's
RandalSchwartz: FYI dj_goku not that it matters, but we have spoke before.
cool
RandalSchwartz: you used a different handle, merlin right?
I use merlyn a lot, but I'm slowly moving away from that
<d^_^b> JollysFastVNC
RandalSchwartz: how come?
is the best
ballen_: haha I have it installed :D
well - my books are under my real name
and my podcasts
ballen_: wow, it isn't free :(
whaaaa
it would be silly to say "merlyn" when I introduce myself :)
39.99 oh wtf
I still use merlyn@stonehenge.com for my email though
had that for 15 years
heh
RandalSchwartz: haha, merlyn => 'RandalSchwartz'
hehe :)
hah: http://failblog.org/2010/01/14/wording-fail/
Oh, that's why your name sounded familiar. First time I ever wrote a program that actually did anything *useful* was after reading the llama book =)
nice I am getting some wd0a device timeout writing in my obsd vm.
Prael: small world here on irc :)
cool
woot, just got a Amazon Gold box deal, Dwell magazine for 10 bucks
backed up my vm files here goes for an upgrade!
I can't decide whether I owe you a beer or if I should blame you for many a sleepness night thereafter. ;)
heh
I hope my first upgrade goes easily.
wonder how hard it would be to write a vnc client...
why write one?
so many free ones out there.
RandalSchwartz: for the mac?
that can use non-standard port so I can connect to arpnetworks serial console :)
Yeah
chicken of the vnc
yes - I use it for my arp
ZOMG
lame, so, what am I missing?
remember to subtract 5900
which is the "base" of vnc
for example, my port is 6104, so I use 204
it's like X11 uses 6000+N
VNC uses 5900+N
holy crap! you r0x RandalSchwartz
and why that isn't in ARP's instructions, I dunno
hehe
"some vnc clients use a 5900 offset as a base.  you might need to subtract 5900 from the following number"
Should put up a wiki
so we can add such things
the problem is you have to be old-school to know that
heh old-school eh
dinosaur school
haha
well here goes the reboot into bsd.rd!
good luck
what can go wrong really? :)
10:45PM  up 101 days, 23:35, 1 user, load averages: 0.08, 0.15, 0.14
...  8:35PM  up 440 days, 13:19, 1 user, load averages: 0.72, 0.86, 0.89
but soon to go away
this is my old openbsd box
I have been with arpnetworks for 3 months!
well at least 3 months, last kernel rebuild.
RandalSchwartz: nice, going to fresh install?
this is the box on the old host
my freebsd box is already running, but not yet given authority
I have most things compiled, most things copied,
but now comes the fun work of making it all play togheter
and then working out the transition plan
RandalSchwartz: cool, why are you switching to freebsd?
mostly because zfs for /
love the root ZFS
openbsd doesn't have that
and never weill
sucks that apple stopped negotiations
yep
ZFS has some funky licensing
Does fbsd support zfs's snapshotting?
yep
think the only thing missing these days is
iscsi
:o
That's awesome. Will have to look into this.
and thats just because FreeBSD is missing a good iscsi target daemon
Prael: http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot
docs on howto setup zfs root
when fbsd gets ZFS block-de-duping, it'll truely be unbeatable
ah yea
that just hit opensolaris last release correct?
I mean, it already has block-copies.  that's pretty cool
yeah, recent
should I get the x*.tgz for openbsd in the upgrade?
if you want to build X tools, yes
block de-duping a very cool idea
dj_goku if you need gui libs, or X11
I don't need it for irssi do I?
even if you're headless, you may want to fire up a remote xterm
Irssi won't need x libs
no idea
so yes, if you want an xterm, you need it.
oh, I only use this for irc mostly :D
well a backup irc client.
don't forget if you need xclock ;-)
haha
Mostly just IRC here too. Was going to run a tor relay with some of the spare bandwidth, but there's a bug with recent openssl and tor.
sure is downloading really slow :(
Been fixed in tor but it hasn't made it to the ports tree yet =/
I have Terminal.app -> ssh -> screen -> GNU emacs -> irc.el
to be here
hah ew
RandalSchwartz: haha nice
RandalSchwartz: you ever try aquaemacs?
for a bit
then I went back to carbon/cocoa emacs
works better for me
you would think arpnetworks would have internal openbsd/pub/OpenBSD/4.6/amd64 directory.
just use a different mirror
openbsd.org is in Canada
ballen: arpnetworks is in cali right?
yea LA
could be the mirror I am using.
I am using a cali mirror
in Redwood City, CA, USA
still slow?
redwood city!
http://mirror.rit.edu/pub/OpenBSD/4.6 is going 500k or so
use buffalo.edu :)
find someone on internet2
took 10 minutes for 7800KB to download.
dj_goku: you want xbase if you install many ports, including php, which tends to pull in things that requires x libs, xshare for compilation
rit.edu == my old school
toddf: hrm, alright, hopefully I can stop this and start over hehe
rochester
near buffalo
ctrl +C the best way to stop the download of packages?
sorta
right?
or is that rosseleur
yea
45 minutes to the east of Buffalo
yeah, I've driven through there at high speeds
dj_goku: uh, just let it go
rochester - the original place where they make lots of copies :)
indeed
and make film
you can add xbase* xshare* on a 2nd pass
Kodak
home of xerox and kodak
no wait, xerox was somewhere close by
no
its was Rochester
yeah
as well as IBM
toddf: maybe I will wait until 4.7 in may and add it then :)
so rochester is the original of many copes :)
copies
also Bausch and Lomb
seems to be getting faster
dj_goku: do you install many ports? that is the criteria you should be using, otherwise you might end up with missing libs
you're on the downhill side now. :)
toddf: irssi + tmux is all I need currently.
portupgrade
in freebsd
pkg_add -ui !!!
portmaster > portupgrade
whhhy
no depends
no ruby
i likes ruby
;-)
and I have never seen it fuck up perl mods (like I have portupgrade)
ah
fair enough
I'll give it a try
almost done with bsd.rd crap, I already had that :(
portmaster seems to do a lot more things nicely
ballen: I don't really have an opinion on the language (ruby), but it's just extra crap on a server that I don't need
I looked at the UI of both
yea actually this is good, because portupgrade uses Ruby 1.8 and I use 1.9 for webapps
nice Microsoft picture Rnadal
Randal*
yeah
not their first white-paste-y mistake
seriously shitty photoshopping
RandalSchwartz: wow, Intel shafted you.
I don't blame intel
I blame the oregon voters for electing the crazy people who believed the telcos that this broad law was necessary
toddf: downloads stalled, seems I will have to CTRL + C
what happened Randal?
RandalSchwartz: ah, I just read what was on wikipedia
lightlink.com/fors/
go read. :)
Object not found!
add www
ahhh needs a www
www.lightlink.com/fors/
great..
dj_goku: uh, if you control-c in an upgrade, just exit, and it'll start again
dj_goku: note that if you have vnc running you can hit a key (f12 ?) to boot from iso .. to get a bsd.rd .. to fix things up ;-)
it wasn't getting a ip address not sure why it was trying to do that.
booting back into bsd.rd
surely you didn't try to dhcp your address.. (I'm not aware arpnetworks does that for customers vm's)
I used the defaults for the installer.
you said upgrade
I haven't ever had issues with boulder (ftp3.*), it is going fine now.
defaults would use existing network config
toddf: right, but I had to ctrl + C it, and started again # install from prompt
but, then it was asking for network, so I just rebooted and started over.
what does it use for your dns? wierd that it stalled..
silly people, openbsd devs have made the install/upgrade scripts re-startable, no need to waste time rebooting ;-)
RandalSchwartz: thats some messed up shit you had you go through
if you backup and install from scratch each update, wow, thats a lot of work
a lot of stuff to remember haha
I just backup /etc /home and call it good
I try for 2 facepalms a day, almost there! 40 minutes left today!!
and never once did you think your life might be easier with upgrade?
new releases even have 'sysmerge' to make updating /etc easy
not until I got a VPS from arpnet :D
toddf: takes 10 minutes to backup and reinstall
well probably turns into 30 minutes but haha
if all goes well I will be doing this more often!!
to each their own, I know what takes me less time, I'd never update my laptop if the procedure involved what you prescribe ;-)
haha
I am still a openbsd newb.
Though it is what I have used the longest.
since 2.9. thats one heck of a dedicated newb. you have to try to not learn .. to consider yourself a newb after that long ;-)
Quitters never win
uh oh! downloads are complete!!
toddf: I don't want to reboot yet do i?
I have no clue what you've done, an install or an upgrade, so ...
upgrade
you'll have to make that call..
I have finished the upgrade
what is all this chitter chatter without me
if you followed the prompts, and sets were downloaded, and you're back to the prompt, and it _tells_ you to reboot, well ..
Having a party
jeev: drats, party's over, the openbsd hater is here
crapp!!!
amazing fact: openbsd doesn't do all the great things windows does
stupid forgot the uh, mpsbos thingy
amazing fact: windows is not something to strive for, but something to run away from
.. screaming
windows is a great thing in my life, for it makes me amazing amounts of monies when people bring in their malfare infested systems
malware
dj_goku: then hit your ssh menu and reboot
toddf, never run *near* windows, you may crash into them and cut yourself
s/reboot/reset your vm/
aye
ssh menu?
'boot> bsd -c' 'disable mpbios' 'quit' .. login .. as root .. 'config -ef /bsd' 'disable mpbios' 'q' ..
dj_goku: I specifically asked above...
right I know I forgot.
toddf, press f8, go into safe mode and check to see what is running on boot
just hard shut it down then right?
that menu yeah, aren't there 3 levels, soft, reset, hard ? just do reset, its faster
amazing fact: openbsd was named after me
oh I just rebooted it from the web
looks like it is up and running, going to finish the upgrade.
haha it is up and running, not "looks like"
toddf: still around?
beautiful!, I only have one file left to merge though.
actually nevermind
toddf: you were right it was easy!! thanks!