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The site being simple and too the point was something I liked. [10:59] I couldn't get over all the details on the RHS .. nobody else comes close, especially with IPv6 [11:00] and console access [11:00] huh [11:00] toddf, post [11:00] post? [11:00] some guy responds saying 'anyone with xen can launch it' [11:00] on webhostingtalk [11:00] and the guy signs up with him [11:01] xen can launch what? [11:01] it's so funy how people will go with a company that JUST said they'll "try" it [11:01] freebsd [11:01] rather than going with a recommendation where i spoke to te guy on aim and told him, i've tested it and it's stable [11:02] http://arpnetworks.com/vps <-- this is what I'm talking about, you want me to signup with webhostingtalk.com and defend this turf? maybe if I was bored, I'm rather time pressed lately ;-( [11:03] I don't see anything on the e-sensibility site about dedicated IP's or IPV6... or consol, or what they use... sheesh [11:03] Place stinks of oversell. [11:03] I hate pretty sites that don't tell you anything [11:03] what's the point [11:03] oh [11:04] people go to sites for information [11:04] put information! [11:08] Information can only cause people not to do something. [11:10] even worse is if you ask for information and they don't even read what you asked [11:17] I popped a note on the WHT thread. [11:18] it pisses me off [11:18] i even got on AIM and told him [11:18] and he took someone elses recommendation who JUST installed it on xen [11:18] no benchmarking, stability testing.. beta nothing [11:18] sroute, give me something random to talk bout [11:20] Flashlights. [11:27] eh [11:27] i had a crazy crazy flashlight and i lost it [11:27] i duno i thin i left it in my car when i traded it in for the newer one [11:28] i was so happy and did it fast cause i had messed up the stereo system in the car, cd was jammed.. didn't want them to see it ;) [11:30] Nice lol. [11:46] *** RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks [11:46] and so it begins - http://friendfeed.com/artemd/f2a8c77d/heard-about-on-floss-weekly-and-i-wonder-if-they [11:46] up_the_irons - told ya. :) [11:47] you're getting a free ad on a 50k-downloaded podcast almost every week now. :) [11:47] RandalSchwartz: nice :) [11:48] i'm gonna have to put a sold out sign up unless my new server comes real soon... ;) [11:48] heh [11:50] RandalSchwartz: so you are a Southland fan? [11:50] never seen the show before [11:50] went because of Bob and Chris, co-workers at yellowbot [11:50] *** mart1n has quit IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [11:51] Southland ? [11:51] that is the GREATEST SHOW [11:51] it > 24. [11:51] *** mart1n has joined #arpnetworks [11:51] RandalSchwartz: ah.. it's a good show. i'm confused why I can only find Season 1 info on their site.. Season 1 already aired on Fox last year [11:51] well, season 2 started tuesday night [11:51] up_the_irons, all there is is season 1. [11:51] so there's not much [11:51] jeev: their police station is actually the data center irl, i just noticed that the other day [11:52] yeah - you tweeted that [11:52] RandalSchwartz, i thought tnt or whatever was airing season 1 [11:52] and calling it new [11:52] RandalSchwartz, im pretty sure tnt is airing the same season that fox aired [11:52] RandalSchwartz: yeah, tried to find season 2 on my DVR, couldn't (dumb). [11:52] tnt aired all of season 1 during the day [11:52] and then the first of season 2 that night [11:52] oh i c [11:52] oh shiet [11:52] was it gewd ? [11:52] it *did* seem they were trying to call season 1 new [11:53] i LOVE that show. [11:53] jeev - I saw the hollywood premiere [11:53] On November 2, 2009, TNT announced it has purchased the rights to Southland's original seven episodes, as well as six completed episodes from what would have been its second season. Southland will begin airing on TNT on January 12, 2010.[5] The station has no plans to change the look of the show, and no additional episodes of the series have been ordered pending an assessment of ratings for the original 13.[6] [11:53] with many of the actors and the producer [11:53] Heh, TV. Check out the vid off irssi.org's front page for a laugh. [11:53] RandalSchwartz, o0o0o, i've been to a ton of premiers, my really good friend knows * [11:53] either way, southland is the greatest series, i hope it continues [11:54] if not, i will fund it from my own pocket [11:54] lol [11:54] bob and chris shot videos at http://www.southlandtvfans.com/ [11:54] my videos will be up there soon [11:54] and my pix [11:54] heh [11:54] ... http://www.southlandtvfans.com/2010/01/13/los-angeles-southland-screening-qa-video-part-1 [11:54] up_the_irons, you got charter ? [11:54] notice "@merlyn" there. :) [11:55] oh by the way, Bob is looking at changing hosts, and is liking what I'm saying about arp [11:55] so you may actually get to host that website soon. :) [11:55] RandalSchwartz, am i talking too big of southland if i say it's better than 42 ? [11:55] 24 ? [11:55] then you can tell people that the picture of the station is also *inside* the station. :) [11:55] I've never seen 24. [11:55] and i've seen only the season 2 eps 1 of southland [11:56] so I don't have a lot to compare [11:56] cop shows aren't my cup of tea [11:56] 24 is cool but i'm tired of so many obvious things happening [11:56] i love cop shows [11:56] im not into anything reality [11:56] other than that shit [11:56] up_the_irons, did you see the wht post [11:58] RandalSchwartz: host southlandtvfans.com? LOL, that'd be rad [11:58] jeev: yeah saw the post, meh [11:58] jeev: 24 is retarded, but i can't stop watching it ;) [12:03] im tired of people inside the whitehouse and shit making phone calls, orchestrating things [12:03] but season 7 was just what 9/11 was [12:03] so it's a good watch [12:04] if only the dumb population of america would come to understand that things happen for a reason and it's not who they say it is, it'd be a better place cause shit wouldn't happen [12:04] ;) [12:10] Sure, what's what Cube is about. 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[20:07] Prael: cat .ssh/id_rsa.pub | mail -s "gimme access" support@arpnetworks.com [20:08] hehe [20:08] d^_^b: then you should be fine... [20:08] toddf: trying to find a good vnc client. [20:08] what os? [20:08] os x [20:09] then I can't help; if you use unixy x stuff, I'd recommend ssvnc, it contains resize support [20:09] why doesn't the crappy finder vnc://blah:5955 work! [20:09] chicken of the VNC [20:09] RandalSchwartz: wait, is this the RandalSchwartz ? [20:09] that's what I was using [20:09] yes [20:09] vnc://blah:55 ? [20:09] wait wait [20:09] wait what? [20:10] For VNCish stuff I like TightVNC. But last I heard it lacks any real OSX support. [20:10] * d^_^b picks up Mastering Perl [20:10] tightvnc doesn't do resize [20:10] RandalSchwartz: hi :D [20:10] I did a foreword for that [20:10] but the main part of the book is brian's [20:10] RandalSchwartz: FYI dj_goku not that it matters, but we have spoke before. [20:11] cool [20:11] RandalSchwartz: you used a different handle, merlin right? [20:11] I use merlyn a lot, but I'm slowly moving away from that [20:11] *** dj_goku_ has joined #arpnetworks [20:12] JollysFastVNC [20:12] RandalSchwartz: how come? [20:12] is the best [20:12] ballen_: haha I have it installed :D [20:12] well - my books are under my real name [20:12] and my podcasts [20:12] ballen_: wow, it isn't free :( [20:12] whaaaa [20:12] it would be silly to say "merlyn" when I introduce myself :) [20:13] 39.99 oh wtf [20:13] I still use merlyn@stonehenge.com for my email though [20:13] had that for 15 years [20:13] heh [20:13] RandalSchwartz: haha, merlyn => 'RandalSchwartz' [20:13] hehe :) [20:17] hah: http://failblog.org/2010/01/14/wording-fail/ [20:22] Oh, that's why your name sounded familiar. First time I ever wrote a program that actually did anything *useful* was after reading the llama book =) [20:22] nice I am getting some wd0a device timeout writing in my obsd vm. [20:22] Prael: small world here on irc :) [20:22] cool [20:23] woot, just got a Amazon Gold box deal, Dwell magazine for 10 bucks [20:23] backed up my vm files here goes for an upgrade! [20:23] I can't decide whether I owe you a beer or if I should blame you for many a sleepness night thereafter. ;) [20:23] *** d^_^b has quit IRC ("later!") [20:24] heh [20:24] I hope my first upgrade goes easily. [20:26] wonder how hard it would be to write a vnc client... [20:27] why write one? [20:27] so many free ones out there. [20:27] RandalSchwartz: for the mac? [20:27] that can use non-standard port so I can connect to arpnetworks serial console :) [20:27] Yeah [20:27] chicken of the vnc [20:27] yes - I use it for my arp [20:28] ZOMG [20:28] lame, so, what am I missing? [20:28] remember to subtract 5900 [20:28] which is the "base" of vnc [20:28] for example, my port is 6104, so I use 204 [20:29] it's like X11 uses 6000+N [20:29] VNC uses 5900+N [20:29] holy crap! you r0x RandalSchwartz [20:29] and why that isn't in ARP's instructions, I dunno [20:29] * RandalSchwartz nudges [20:30] hehe [20:30] "some vnc clients use a 5900 offset as a base. you might need to subtract 5900 from the following number" [20:30] Should put up a wiki [20:30] so we can add such things [20:30] the problem is you have to be old-school to know that [20:30] heh old-school eh [20:30] dinosaur school [20:31] haha [20:31] well here goes the reboot into bsd.rd! [20:31] good luck [20:32] *** ballen has quit IRC (Nick collision from services.) [20:32] *** ballen_ is now known as ballen [20:32] what can go wrong really? :) [20:32] 10:45PM up 101 days, 23:35, 1 user, load averages: 0.08, 0.15, 0.14 [20:34] ... 8:35PM up 440 days, 13:19, 1 user, load averages: 0.72, 0.86, 0.89 [20:34] but soon to go away [20:34] this is my old openbsd box [20:34] I have been with arpnetworks for 3 months! [20:35] well at least 3 months, last kernel rebuild. [20:35] RandalSchwartz: nice, going to fresh install? [20:36] this is the box on the old host [20:36] my freebsd box is already running, but not yet given authority [20:36] I have most things compiled, most things copied, [20:36] but now comes the fun work of making it all play togheter [20:37] and then working out the transition plan [20:38] RandalSchwartz: cool, why are you switching to freebsd? [20:38] mostly because zfs for / [20:38] love the root ZFS [20:38] openbsd doesn't have that [20:38] and never weill [20:38] sucks that apple stopped negotiations [20:39] yep [20:39] ZFS has some funky licensing [20:40] Does fbsd support zfs's snapshotting? [20:40] yep [20:40] think the only thing missing these days is [20:40] iscsi [20:40] :o [20:40] That's awesome. Will have to look into this. [20:40] and thats just because FreeBSD is missing a good iscsi target daemon [20:41] Prael: http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot [20:41] docs on howto setup zfs root [20:42] when fbsd gets ZFS block-de-duping, it'll truely be unbeatable [20:42] ah yea [20:42] that just hit opensolaris last release correct? [20:42] I mean, it already has block-copies. that's pretty cool [20:42] yeah, recent [20:42] should I get the x*.tgz for openbsd in the upgrade? [20:42] if you want to build X tools, yes [20:42] block de-duping a very cool idea [20:43] dj_goku if you need gui libs, or X11 [20:43] *** heavysixer has quit IRC () [20:44] I don't need it for irssi do I? [20:44] even if you're headless, you may want to fire up a remote xterm [20:44] Irssi won't need x libs [20:44] no idea [20:44] so yes, if you want an xterm, you need it. [20:45] oh, I only use this for irc mostly :D [20:45] well a backup irc client. [20:45] don't forget if you need xclock ;-) [20:45] haha [20:47] Mostly just IRC here too. Was going to run a tor relay with some of the spare bandwidth, but there's a bug with recent openssl and tor. [20:47] sure is downloading really slow :( [20:47] Been fixed in tor but it hasn't made it to the ports tree yet =/ [20:47] I have Terminal.app -> ssh -> screen -> GNU emacs -> irc.el [20:47] to be here [20:47] hah ew [20:47] RandalSchwartz: haha nice [20:48] RandalSchwartz: you ever try aquaemacs? [20:48] for a bit [20:48] then I went back to carbon/cocoa emacs [20:48] works better for me [20:49] you would think arpnetworks would have internal openbsd/pub/OpenBSD/4.6/amd64 directory. [20:49] just use a different mirror [20:49] openbsd.org is in Canada [20:49] ballen: arpnetworks is in cali right? [20:49] yea LA [20:50] could be the mirror I am using. [20:50] I am using a cali mirror [20:50] in Redwood City, CA, USA [20:50] still slow? [20:51] redwood city! [20:52] http://mirror.rit.edu/pub/OpenBSD/4.6 is going 500k or so [20:52] use buffalo.edu :) [20:52] find someone on internet2 [20:52] took 10 minutes for 7800KB to download. [20:52] dj_goku: you want xbase if you install many ports, including php, which tends to pull in things that requires x libs, xshare for compilation [20:52] rit.edu == my old school [20:53] toddf: hrm, alright, hopefully I can stop this and start over hehe [20:53] rochester [20:53] near buffalo [20:53] ctrl +C the best way to stop the download of packages? [20:53] sorta [20:53] right? [20:53] or is that rosseleur [20:54] yea [20:54] 45 minutes to the east of Buffalo [20:54] yeah, I've driven through there at high speeds [20:54] dj_goku: uh, just let it go [20:54] rochester - the original place where they make lots of copies :) [20:54] indeed [20:54] and make film [20:54] you can add xbase* xshare* on a 2nd pass [20:54] Kodak [20:54] home of xerox and kodak [20:54] no wait, xerox was somewhere close by [20:55] no [20:55] its was Rochester [20:55] yeah [20:55] as well as IBM [20:55] toddf: maybe I will wait until 4.7 in may and add it then :) [20:55] so rochester is the original of many copes :) [20:55] copies [20:55] also Bausch and Lomb [20:56] seems to be getting faster [20:56] dj_goku: do you install many ports? that is the criteria you should be using, otherwise you might end up with missing libs [20:56] you're on the downhill side now. :) [20:56] toddf: irssi + tmux is all I need currently. [20:56] * RandalSchwartz upgrades all his installed ports with portmaster [20:56] portupgrade [20:56] in freebsd [20:56] pkg_add -ui !!! [20:57] portmaster > portupgrade [20:57] whhhy [20:57] no depends [20:57] no ruby [20:57] i likes ruby [20:57] ;-) [20:57] and I have never seen it fuck up perl mods (like I have portupgrade) [20:57] ah [20:57] fair enough [20:57] I'll give it a try [20:58] almost done with bsd.rd crap, I already had that :( [20:58] portmaster seems to do a lot more things nicely [20:58] ballen: I don't really have an opinion on the language (ruby), but it's just extra crap on a server that I don't need [20:58] I looked at the UI of both [20:58] yea actually this is good, because portupgrade uses Ruby 1.8 and I use 1.9 for webapps [21:02] nice Microsoft picture Rnadal [21:02] Randal* [21:02] yeah [21:02] not their first white-paste-y mistake [21:02] seriously shitty photoshopping [21:03] RandalSchwartz: wow, Intel shafted you. [21:03] I don't blame intel [21:03] I blame the oregon voters for electing the crazy people who believed the telcos that this broad law was necessary [21:03] toddf: downloads stalled, seems I will have to CTRL + C [21:04] what happened Randal? [21:04] RandalSchwartz: ah, I just read what was on wikipedia [21:04] lightlink.com/fors/ [21:04] go read. :) [21:04] Object not found! [21:05] add www [21:05] ahhh needs a www [21:05] www.lightlink.com/fors/ [21:06] * dj_goku_ thinks that his vm is fubared now [21:08] great.. [21:09] dj_goku: uh, if you control-c in an upgrade, just exit, and it'll start again [21:10] dj_goku: note that if you have vnc running you can hit a key (f12 ?) to boot from iso .. to get a bsd.rd .. to fix things up ;-) [21:10] it wasn't getting a ip address not sure why it was trying to do that. [21:11] booting back into bsd.rd [21:11] surely you didn't try to dhcp your address.. (I'm not aware arpnetworks does that for customers vm's) [21:12] I used the defaults for the installer. [21:14] you said upgrade [21:14] I haven't ever had issues with boulder (ftp3.*), it is going fine now. [21:14] defaults would use existing network config [21:14] toddf: right, but I had to ctrl + C it, and started again # install from prompt [21:15] but, then it was asking for network, so I just rebooted and started over. [21:15] what does it use for your dns? wierd that it stalled.. [21:16] silly people, openbsd devs have made the install/upgrade scripts re-startable, no need to waste time rebooting ;-) [21:16] * dj_goku_ hasn't ever upgraded before, I have been using openbsd since 2.9ish. [21:16] RandalSchwartz: thats some messed up shit you had you go through [21:17] if you backup and install from scratch each update, wow, thats a lot of work [21:17] a lot of stuff to remember haha [21:17] I just backup /etc /home and call it good [21:18] * toddf facepalm [21:18] I try for 2 facepalms a day, almost there! 40 minutes left today!! [21:18] and never once did you think your life might be easier with upgrade? [21:19] new releases even have 'sysmerge' to make updating /etc easy [21:19] not until I got a VPS from arpnet :D [21:19] toddf: takes 10 minutes to backup and reinstall [21:20] well probably turns into 30 minutes but haha [21:20] *** ballen has quit IRC () [21:20] if all goes well I will be doing this more often!! [21:20] to each their own, I know what takes me less time, I'd never update my laptop if the procedure involved what you prescribe ;-) [21:20] haha [21:21] I am still a openbsd newb. [21:21] Though it is what I have used the longest. [21:22] since 2.9. thats one heck of a dedicated newb. you have to try to not learn .. to consider yourself a newb after that long ;-) [21:22] Quitters never win [21:22] uh oh! downloads are complete!! [21:23] * dj_goku_ goes to read the upgrade openbsd page [21:23] toddf: I don't want to reboot yet do i? [21:24] I have no clue what you've done, an install or an upgrade, so ... [21:24] upgrade [21:24] you'll have to make that call.. [21:24] I have finished the upgrade [21:24] what is all this chitter chatter without me [21:24] if you followed the prompts, and sets were downloaded, and you're back to the prompt, and it _tells_ you to reboot, well .. [21:24] Having a party [21:24] jeev: drats, party's over, the openbsd hater is here [21:25] * dj_goku_ is scared and reboots! [21:26] crapp!!! [21:26] amazing fact: openbsd doesn't do all the great things windows does [21:27] stupid forgot the uh, mpsbos thingy [21:27] amazing fact: windows is not something to strive for, but something to run away from [21:27] .. screaming [21:27] windows is a great thing in my life, for it makes me amazing amounts of monies when people bring in their malfare infested systems [21:27] malware [21:27] dj_goku: then hit your ssh menu and reboot [21:27] toddf, never run *near* windows, you may crash into them and cut yourself [21:27] s/reboot/reset your vm/ [21:27] aye [21:28] ssh menu? [21:28] 'boot> bsd -c' 'disable mpbios' 'quit' .. login .. as root .. 'config -ef /bsd' 'disable mpbios' 'q' .. [21:29] dj_goku: I specifically asked above... [21:29] right I know I forgot. [21:29] toddf, press f8, go into safe mode and check to see what is running on boot [21:29] just hard shut it down then right? [21:30] that menu yeah, aren't there 3 levels, soft, reset, hard ? just do reset, its faster [21:32] amazing fact: openbsd was named after me [21:32] oh I just rebooted it from the web [21:33] looks like it is up and running, going to finish the upgrade. [21:34] haha it is up and running, not "looks like" [22:04] toddf: still around? [22:10] *** d^_^b has joined #arpnetworks [22:11] beautiful!, I only have one file left to merge though. [22:13] actually nevermind [22:14] toddf: you were right it was easy!! thanks! [22:21] *** amdprophet has joined #arpnetworks [22:21] *** Guest63998 has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))