#arpnetworks 2010-01-14,Thu

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PraelPrael impressed with vnstat [10:41]
jeevhttp://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=918849&goto=newpost i spoke to the guy on aim he said he didn't consider arp cause the site was minimal the first time, then he posted this e-sensibility thing this morning [10:49]
PraelFunny. The site being simple and too the point was something I liked. [10:51]
toddfI couldn't get over all the details on the RHS .. nobody else comes close, especially with IPv6
and console access
[10:59]
jeevhuh
toddf, post
[11:00]
toddfpost? [11:00]
jeevsome guy responds saying 'anyone with xen can launch it'
on webhostingtalk
and the guy signs up with him
[11:00]
toddfxen can launch what? [11:01]
jeevit's so funy how people will go with a company that JUST said they'll "try" it
freebsd
rather than going with a recommendation where i spoke to te guy on aim and told him, i've tested it and it's stable
[11:01]
toddfhttp://arpnetworks.com/vps <-- this is what I'm talking about, you want me to signup with webhostingtalk.com and defend this turf? maybe if I was bored, I'm rather time pressed lately ;-( [11:02]
PraelI don't see anything on the e-sensibility site about dedicated IP's or IPV6... or consol, or what they use... sheesh
Place stinks of oversell.
[11:03]
ToastyXI hate pretty sites that don't tell you anything
what's the point
[11:03]
jeevoh [11:03]
ToastyXpeople go to sites for information
put information!
[11:04]
mike-burnsInformation can only cause people not to do something. [11:08]
ToastyXeven worse is if you ask for information and they don't even read what you asked [11:10]
srouteI popped a note on the WHT thread. [11:17]
jeevit pisses me off
i even got on AIM and told him
and he took someone elses recommendation who JUST installed it on xen
no benchmarking, stability testing.. beta nothing
sroute, give me something random to talk bout
[11:18]
PraelFlashlights. [11:20]
jeeveh
i had a crazy crazy flashlight and i lost it
i duno i thin i left it in my car when i traded it in for the newer one
i was so happy and did it fast cause i had messed up the stereo system in the car, cd was jammed.. didn't want them to see it ;)
[11:27]
PraelNice lol. [11:30]
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RandalSchwartzand so it begins - http://friendfeed.com/artemd/f2a8c77d/heard-about-on-floss-weekly-and-i-wonder-if-they
up_the_irons - told ya. :)
you're getting a free ad on a 50k-downloaded podcast almost every week now. :)
[11:46]
up_the_ironsRandalSchwartz: nice :)
i'm gonna have to put a sold out sign up unless my new server comes real soon... ;)
[11:47]
RandalSchwartzheh [11:48]
up_the_ironsRandalSchwartz: so you are a Southland fan? [11:50]
RandalSchwartznever seen the show before
went because of Bob and Chris, co-workers at yellowbot
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jeevSouthland ?
that is the GREATEST SHOW
it > 24.
[11:51]
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up_the_ironsRandalSchwartz: ah.. it's a good show. i'm confused why I can only find Season 1 info on their site.. Season 1 already aired on Fox last year [11:51]
RandalSchwartzwell, season 2 started tuesday night [11:51]
jeevup_the_irons, all there is is season 1. [11:51]
RandalSchwartzso there's not much [11:51]
up_the_ironsjeev: their police station is actually the data center irl, i just noticed that the other day [11:51]
RandalSchwartzyeah - you tweeted that [11:52]
jeevRandalSchwartz, i thought tnt or whatever was airing season 1
and calling it new
RandalSchwartz, im pretty sure tnt is airing the same season that fox aired
[11:52]
up_the_ironsRandalSchwartz: yeah, tried to find season 2 on my DVR, couldn't (dumb). [11:52]
RandalSchwartztnt aired all of season 1 during the day
and then the first of season 2 that night
[11:52]
up_the_ironsoh i c [11:52]
jeevoh shiet
was it gewd ?
[11:52]
up_the_ironsit *did* seem they were trying to call season 1 new [11:52]
jeevi LOVE that show. [11:53]
RandalSchwartzjeev - I saw the hollywood premiere [11:53]
jeevOn November 2, 2009, TNT announced it has purchased the rights to Southland's original seven episodes, as well as six completed episodes from what would have been its second season. Southland will begin airing on TNT on January 12, 2010.[5] The station has no plans to change the look of the show, and no additional episodes of the series have been ordered pending an assessment of ratings for the original 13.[6] [11:53]
RandalSchwartzwith many of the actors and the producer [11:53]
PraelHeh, TV. Check out the vid off irssi.org's front page for a laugh. [11:53]
jeevRandalSchwartz, o0o0o, i've been to a ton of premiers, my really good friend knows *
either way, southland is the greatest series, i hope it continues
if not, i will fund it from my own pocket
[11:53]
up_the_ironslol [11:54]
RandalSchwartzbob and chris shot videos at http://www.southlandtvfans.com/
my videos will be up there soon
and my pix
[11:54]
jeevheh [11:54]
RandalSchwartz... http://www.southlandtvfans.com/2010/01/13/los-angeles-southland-screening-qa-video-part-1 [11:54]
jeevup_the_irons, you got charter ? [11:54]
RandalSchwartznotice "@merlyn" there. :)
oh by the way, Bob is looking at changing hosts, and is liking what I'm saying about arp
so you may actually get to host that website soon. :)
[11:54]
jeevRandalSchwartz, am i talking too big of southland if i say it's better than 42 ?
24 ?
[11:55]
RandalSchwartzthen you can tell people that the picture of the station is also *inside* the station. :)
I've never seen 24.
and i've seen only the season 2 eps 1 of southland
so I don't have a lot to compare
cop shows aren't my cup of tea
[11:55]
jeev24 is cool but i'm tired of so many obvious things happening
i love cop shows
im not into anything reality
other than that shit
up_the_irons, did you see the wht post
[11:56]
up_the_ironsRandalSchwartz: host southlandtvfans.com? LOL, that'd be rad
jeev: yeah saw the post, meh
jeev: 24 is retarded, but i can't stop watching it ;)
[11:58]
jeevim tired of people inside the whitehouse and shit making phone calls, orchestrating things
but season 7 was just what 9/11 was
so it's a good watch
if only the dumb population of america would come to understand that things happen for a reason and it's not who they say it is, it'd be a better place cause shit wouldn't happen
;)
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mike-burnsSure, what's what Cube is about. [12:10]
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srouteup_the_irons: LOL re 24. Ditto here. [13:41]
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RandalSchwartzhear http://twit.tv/floss104
arp mentioned at 4 minutes in
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jlgaddiswomen in open source
hah!
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ChanServ sets mode: +o ballen
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ballenblah [19:07]
jlgaddisyou can say that again [19:17]
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toddfup_the_irons: don't put out `sold out' put out `order eta: 2 days' etc ;-) [19:39]
d^_^bd^_^b is going to try to upgrade his openbsd vm on arpnet :D [19:40]
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toddfyou're aware of the 'disable mpbios' stuff, and you have your ssh pubkey setup to ssh to serial console/reboot menu, right? [20:02]
d^_^btoddf: yes sir [20:06]
PraelHow do you set that up? [20:06]
toddfPrael: cat .ssh/id_rsa.pub | mail -s "gimme access" support@arpnetworks.com [20:07]
d^_^bhehe [20:08]
toddfd^_^b: then you should be fine... [20:08]
d^_^btoddf: trying to find a good vnc client. [20:08]
toddfwhat os? [20:08]
d^_^bos x [20:08]
toddfthen I can't help; if you use unixy x stuff, I'd recommend ssvnc, it contains resize support [20:09]
d^_^bwhy doesn't the crappy finder vnc://blah:5955 work! [20:09]
RandalSchwartzchicken of the VNC [20:09]
d^_^bRandalSchwartz: wait, is this the RandalSchwartz ? [20:09]
RandalSchwartzthat's what I was using
yes
[20:09]
toddfvnc://blah:55 ? [20:09]
d^_^bwait wait [20:09]
RandalSchwartzwait what? [20:09]
PraelFor VNCish stuff I like TightVNC. But last I heard it lacks any real OSX support. [20:10]
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toddftightvnc doesn't do resize [20:10]
d^_^bRandalSchwartz: hi :D [20:10]
RandalSchwartzI did a foreword for that
but the main part of the book is brian's
[20:10]
d^_^bRandalSchwartz: FYI dj_goku not that it matters, but we have spoke before. [20:10]
RandalSchwartzcool [20:11]
d^_^bRandalSchwartz: you used a different handle, merlin right? [20:11]
RandalSchwartzI use merlyn a lot, but I'm slowly moving away from that [20:11]
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ballen_<d^_^b> JollysFastVNC [20:12]
d^_^bRandalSchwartz: how come? [20:12]
ballen_is the best [20:12]
d^_^bballen_: haha I have it installed :D [20:12]
RandalSchwartzwell - my books are under my real name
and my podcasts
[20:12]
d^_^bballen_: wow, it isn't free :( [20:12]
ballen_whaaaa [20:12]
RandalSchwartzit would be silly to say "merlyn" when I introduce myself :) [20:12]
ballen_39.99 oh wtf [20:13]
RandalSchwartzI still use merlyn@stonehenge.com for my email though
had that for 15 years
[20:13]
ballen_heh [20:13]
d^_^bRandalSchwartz: haha, merlyn => 'RandalSchwartz'
hehe :)
[20:13]
ballen_hah: http://failblog.org/2010/01/14/wording-fail/ [20:17]
PraelOh, that's why your name sounded familiar. First time I ever wrote a program that actually did anything *useful* was after reading the llama book =) [20:22]
d^_^bnice I am getting some wd0a device timeout writing in my obsd vm.
Prael: small world here on irc :)
[20:22]
RandalSchwartzcool [20:22]
ballen_woot, just got a Amazon Gold box deal, Dwell magazine for 10 bucks [20:23]
d^_^bbacked up my vm files here goes for an upgrade! [20:23]
PraelI can't decide whether I owe you a beer or if I should blame you for many a sleepness night thereafter. ;) [20:23]
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RandalSchwartzheh [20:24]
dj_goku_I hope my first upgrade goes easily.
wonder how hard it would be to write a vnc client...
[20:24]
RandalSchwartzwhy write one?
so many free ones out there.
[20:27]
dj_goku_RandalSchwartz: for the mac?
that can use non-standard port so I can connect to arpnetworks serial console :)
[20:27]
RandalSchwartzYeah
chicken of the vnc
yes - I use it for my arp
[20:27]
dj_goku_ZOMG
lame, so, what am I missing?
[20:28]
RandalSchwartzremember to subtract 5900
which is the "base" of vnc
for example, my port is 6104, so I use 204
it's like X11 uses 6000+N
VNC uses 5900+N
[20:28]
dj_goku_holy crap! you r0x RandalSchwartz [20:29]
RandalSchwartzand why that isn't in ARP's instructions, I dunno
RandalSchwartz nudges
[20:29]
dj_goku_hehe [20:30]
RandalSchwartz"some vnc clients use a 5900 offset as a base. you might need to subtract 5900 from the following number" [20:30]
ballen_Should put up a wiki
so we can add such things
[20:30]
RandalSchwartzthe problem is you have to be old-school to know that [20:30]
ballen_heh old-school eh [20:30]
RandalSchwartzdinosaur school [20:30]
dj_goku_haha
well here goes the reboot into bsd.rd!
[20:31]
ballen_good luck [20:31]
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dj_goku_what can go wrong really? :)
10:45PM up 101 days, 23:35, 1 user, load averages: 0.08, 0.15, 0.14
[20:32]
RandalSchwartz... 8:35PM up 440 days, 13:19, 1 user, load averages: 0.72, 0.86, 0.89
but soon to go away
this is my old openbsd box
[20:34]
dj_goku_I have been with arpnetworks for 3 months!
well at least 3 months, last kernel rebuild.
RandalSchwartz: nice, going to fresh install?
[20:34]
RandalSchwartzthis is the box on the old host
my freebsd box is already running, but not yet given authority
I have most things compiled, most things copied,
but now comes the fun work of making it all play togheter
and then working out the transition plan
[20:36]
dj_goku_RandalSchwartz: cool, why are you switching to freebsd? [20:38]
RandalSchwartzmostly because zfs for / [20:38]
ballenlove the root ZFS [20:38]
RandalSchwartzopenbsd doesn't have that
and never weill
sucks that apple stopped negotiations
[20:38]
ballenyep
ZFS has some funky licensing
[20:39]
PraelDoes fbsd support zfs's snapshotting? [20:40]
ballenyep
think the only thing missing these days is
iscsi
[20:40]
Prael:o
That's awesome. Will have to look into this.
[20:40]
ballenand thats just because FreeBSD is missing a good iscsi target daemon
Prael: http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot

docs on howto setup zfs root
[20:40]
RandalSchwartzwhen fbsd gets ZFS block-de-duping, it'll truely be unbeatable [20:42]
ballenah yea
that just hit opensolaris last release correct?
[20:42]
RandalSchwartzI mean, it already has block-copies. that's pretty cool
yeah, recent
[20:42]
dj_goku_should I get the x*.tgz for openbsd in the upgrade? [20:42]
RandalSchwartzif you want to build X tools, yes [20:42]
ballenblock de-duping a very cool idea
dj_goku if you need gui libs, or X11
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dj_goku_I don't need it for irssi do I? [20:44]
RandalSchwartzeven if you're headless, you may want to fire up a remote xterm [20:44]
PraelIrssi won't need x libs [20:44]
ballenno idea [20:44]
RandalSchwartzso yes, if you want an xterm, you need it. [20:44]
dj_goku_oh, I only use this for irc mostly :D
well a backup irc client.
[20:45]
ballendon't forget if you need xclock ;-) [20:45]
dj_goku_haha [20:45]
PraelMostly just IRC here too. Was going to run a tor relay with some of the spare bandwidth, but there's a bug with recent openssl and tor. [20:47]
dj_goku_sure is downloading really slow :( [20:47]
PraelBeen fixed in tor but it hasn't made it to the ports tree yet =/ [20:47]
RandalSchwartzI have Terminal.app -> ssh -> screen -> GNU emacs -> irc.el
to be here
[20:47]
ballenhah ew [20:47]
dj_goku_RandalSchwartz: haha nice
RandalSchwartz: you ever try aquaemacs?
[20:47]
RandalSchwartzfor a bit
then I went back to carbon/cocoa emacs
works better for me
[20:48]
dj_goku_you would think arpnetworks would have internal openbsd/pub/OpenBSD/4.6/amd64 directory. [20:49]
ballenjust use a different mirror
openbsd.org is in Canada
[20:49]
dj_goku_ballen: arpnetworks is in cali right? [20:49]
ballenyea LA [20:49]
dj_goku_could be the mirror I am using.
I am using a cali mirror
in Redwood City, CA, USA
[20:50]
ballenstill slow? [20:50]
RandalSchwartzredwood city! [20:51]
ballenhttp://mirror.rit.edu/pub/OpenBSD/4.6 is going 500k or so [20:52]
RandalSchwartzuse buffalo.edu :)
find someone on internet2
[20:52]
dj_goku_took 10 minutes for 7800KB to download. [20:52]
toddfdj_goku: you want xbase if you install many ports, including php, which tends to pull in things that requires x libs, xshare for compilation [20:52]
ballenrit.edu == my old school [20:52]
dj_goku_toddf: hrm, alright, hopefully I can stop this and start over hehe [20:53]
RandalSchwartzrochester
near buffalo
[20:53]
dj_goku_ctrl +C the best way to stop the download of packages? [20:53]
RandalSchwartzsorta
right?
or is that rosseleur
[20:53]
ballenyea
45 minutes to the east of Buffalo
[20:54]
RandalSchwartzyeah, I've driven through there at high speeds [20:54]
toddfdj_goku: uh, just let it go [20:54]
RandalSchwartzrochester - the original place where they make lots of copies :) [20:54]
ballenindeed
and make film
[20:54]
toddfyou can add xbase* xshare* on a 2nd pass [20:54]
ballenKodak [20:54]
RandalSchwartzhome of xerox and kodak
no wait, xerox was somewhere close by
[20:54]
ballenno
its was Rochester
[20:55]
RandalSchwartzyeah [20:55]
ballenas well as IBM [20:55]
dj_goku_toddf: maybe I will wait until 4.7 in may and add it then :) [20:55]
RandalSchwartzso rochester is the original of many copes :)
copies
[20:55]
ballenalso Bausch and Lomb [20:55]
dj_goku_seems to be getting faster [20:56]
toddfdj_goku: do you install many ports? that is the criteria you should be using, otherwise you might end up with missing libs [20:56]
RandalSchwartzyou're on the downhill side now. :) [20:56]
dj_goku_toddf: irssi + tmux is all I need currently. [20:56]
RandalSchwartzRandalSchwartz upgrades all his installed ports with portmaster [20:56]
ballenportupgrade
in freebsd
[20:56]
toddfpkg_add -ui !!! [20:56]
mardraumportmaster > portupgrade [20:57]
ballenwhhhy [20:57]
mardraumno depends
no ruby
[20:57]
balleni likes ruby
;-)
[20:57]
mardraumand I have never seen it fuck up perl mods (like I have portupgrade) [20:57]
ballenah
fair enough
I'll give it a try
[20:57]
dj_goku_almost done with bsd.rd crap, I already had that :( [20:58]
RandalSchwartzportmaster seems to do a lot more things nicely [20:58]
mardraumballen: I don't really have an opinion on the language (ruby), but it's just extra crap on a server that I don't need [20:58]
RandalSchwartzI looked at the UI of both [20:58]
ballenyea actually this is good, because portupgrade uses Ruby 1.8 and I use 1.9 for webapps
nice Microsoft picture Rnadal
Randal*
[20:58]
RandalSchwartzyeah
not their first white-paste-y mistake
[21:02]
ballenseriously shitty photoshopping [21:02]
dj_goku_RandalSchwartz: wow, Intel shafted you. [21:03]
RandalSchwartzI don't blame intel
I blame the oregon voters for electing the crazy people who believed the telcos that this broad law was necessary
[21:03]
dj_goku_toddf: downloads stalled, seems I will have to CTRL + C [21:03]
ballenwhat happened Randal? [21:04]
dj_goku_RandalSchwartz: ah, I just read what was on wikipedia [21:04]
RandalSchwartzlightlink.com/fors/
go read. :)
[21:04]
ballenObject not found! [21:04]
RandalSchwartzadd www [21:05]
ballenahhh needs a www [21:05]
RandalSchwartzwww.lightlink.com/fors/ [21:05]
dj_goku_dj_goku_ thinks that his vm is fubared now
great..
[21:06]
toddfdj_goku: uh, if you control-c in an upgrade, just exit, and it'll start again
dj_goku: note that if you have vnc running you can hit a key (f12 ?) to boot from iso .. to get a bsd.rd .. to fix things up ;-)
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dj_goku_it wasn't getting a ip address not sure why it was trying to do that.
booting back into bsd.rd
[21:10]
toddfsurely you didn't try to dhcp your address.. (I'm not aware arpnetworks does that for customers vm's) [21:11]
dj_goku_I used the defaults for the installer. [21:12]
toddfyou said upgrade [21:14]
dj_goku_I haven't ever had issues with boulder (ftp3.*), it is going fine now. [21:14]
toddfdefaults would use existing network config [21:14]
dj_goku_toddf: right, but I had to ctrl + C it, and started again # install from prompt
but, then it was asking for network, so I just rebooted and started over.
[21:14]
toddfwhat does it use for your dns? wierd that it stalled..
silly people, openbsd devs have made the install/upgrade scripts re-startable, no need to waste time rebooting ;-)
[21:15]
dj_goku_dj_goku_ hasn't ever upgraded before, I have been using openbsd since 2.9ish. [21:16]
ballenRandalSchwartz: thats some messed up shit you had you go through [21:16]
toddfif you backup and install from scratch each update, wow, thats a lot of work [21:17]
dj_goku_a lot of stuff to remember haha
I just backup /etc /home and call it good
[21:17]
toddftoddf facepalm [21:18]
dj_goku_I try for 2 facepalms a day, almost there! 40 minutes left today!! [21:18]
toddfand never once did you think your life might be easier with upgrade?
new releases even have 'sysmerge' to make updating /etc easy
[21:18]
dj_goku_not until I got a VPS from arpnet :D
toddf: takes 10 minutes to backup and reinstall
well probably turns into 30 minutes but haha
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dj_goku_if all goes well I will be doing this more often!! [21:20]
toddfto each their own, I know what takes me less time, I'd never update my laptop if the procedure involved what you prescribe ;-) [21:20]
dj_goku_haha
I am still a openbsd newb.
Though it is what I have used the longest.
[21:20]
toddfsince 2.9. thats one heck of a dedicated newb. you have to try to not learn .. to consider yourself a newb after that long ;-) [21:22]
PraelQuitters never win [21:22]
dj_goku_uh oh! downloads are complete!!
dj_goku_ goes to read the upgrade openbsd page
toddf: I don't want to reboot yet do i?
[21:22]
toddfI have no clue what you've done, an install or an upgrade, so ... [21:24]
dj_goku_upgrade [21:24]
toddfyou'll have to make that call.. [21:24]
dj_goku_I have finished the upgrade [21:24]
jeevwhat is all this chitter chatter without me [21:24]
toddfif you followed the prompts, and sets were downloaded, and you're back to the prompt, and it _tells_ you to reboot, well .. [21:24]
PraelHaving a party [21:24]
toddfjeev: drats, party's over, the openbsd hater is here [21:24]
dj_goku_dj_goku_ is scared and reboots!
crapp!!!
[21:25]
jeevamazing fact: openbsd doesn't do all the great things windows does [21:26]
dj_goku_stupid forgot the uh, mpsbos thingy [21:27]
toddfamazing fact: windows is not something to strive for, but something to run away from
.. screaming
[21:27]
jeevwindows is a great thing in my life, for it makes me amazing amounts of monies when people bring in their malfare infested systems
malware
[21:27]
toddfdj_goku: then hit your ssh menu and reboot [21:27]
jeevtoddf, never run *near* windows, you may crash into them and cut yourself [21:27]
toddfs/reboot/reset your vm/ [21:27]
dj_goku_aye
ssh menu?
[21:27]
toddf'boot> bsd -c' 'disable mpbios' 'quit' .. login .. as root .. 'config -ef /bsd' 'disable mpbios' 'q' ..
dj_goku: I specifically asked above...
[21:28]
dj_goku_right I know I forgot. [21:29]
jeevtoddf, press f8, go into safe mode and check to see what is running on boot [21:29]
dj_goku_just hard shut it down then right? [21:29]
toddfthat menu yeah, aren't there 3 levels, soft, reset, hard ? just do reset, its faster [21:30]
jeevamazing fact: openbsd was named after me [21:32]
dj_goku_oh I just rebooted it from the web
looks like it is up and running, going to finish the upgrade.
haha it is up and running, not "looks like"
[21:32]
....... (idle for 30mn)
toddf: still around? [22:04]
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dj_goku_beautiful!, I only have one file left to merge though.
actually nevermind
toddf: you were right it was easy!! thanks!
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