[00:00] can't reach from road runner either: http://pastie.org/768558 [00:01] ToastyX: yeah, i get the same [00:27] I just requested peering with VPLS / Krypt [00:28] no reason that traceroute should go through Mzima, unless they don't see my announcement (which is possible, ugh) [00:51] up_the_irons [00:51] *** visinin has quit IRC ("sleep") [00:51] cr02.ldn01.pccwbtn.net (195.66.224.167) 0.884 ms 1.040 ms 0.947 ms [00:54] Sashi: thanks [02:53] *** Sashi has left [03:44] *** schmir has joined #arpnetworks [04:05] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [04:35] *** gregdolley2 has joined #arpnetworks [04:36] hello [04:36] *** gregdolley2 has quit IRC (Client Quit) [08:07] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC () [08:57] up_the_irons: level3->mzima from home, internet2->mzima at ${work} [09:10] reading scrollback and commenting out of context is fun sometimes heh [09:11] 'wondering what it'd take to receive zfs incrementals' I'd love to just store the compressed incrementals rather than have a system that does zfs natively heh, zfs is good and all but gpl infested is not exactly the bsd cup of tea ;-) [09:12] up_the_irons: nice traceroute loop between a appliedi.net and appliedi.net [09:15] up_the_irons: you know what a looking glass is? 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[17:43] Up_the_irons: suggestion on PDU, any reason to have a network accessible one? [17:44] ballen_: I pretty much use AP7930 and AP7932 exclusively [17:45] why'd you need switched PDUs? [17:45] ballen_: so i can power cycle stuff remotely [17:45] hmm, hace remove mgmt cards for that [17:45] have* [17:45] huh [17:46] up_the_irons: I am (dj_goku) I was just updating my card information since the old one wasn't working or so I thought it wasn't. [17:46] you power cycle boxes [17:46] to* [17:46] I have remove mgmt cards in my boxes [17:46] which will live on if the system is down [17:46] d^_^b: oh ok, you went through the regular form (picked a plan, etc...). Just card updates don't require that (link in email wouldn't have asked for it) [17:46] d^_^b: thanks for clarifying [17:47] up_the_irons, also why'd you go with 120V pdus [17:47] *** ballen has quit IRC (Nick collision from services.) [17:47] *** ballen_ is now known as ballen [17:48] ballen_: right, but i can't always be sure every box has remote management capabilities. What if I need to power cycle a security camera? A Cisco that has locked up? etc.... none have power control [17:49] ah [17:49] yea don't have much of that issue [17:49] ballen: 120V PDUs because it is too difficult to find gear in all 208V [17:49] nahh I have all 208 [17:49] or you mean like network, camera, etc gear? [17:49] ballen: in your scenario, i believe you already _know_ what will go in your cab, I can't always be sure. hence remote power PDUs [17:50] k [17:50] just trying to figure out how people actually use switched PDU's mainly [17:50] by and far, most equipment provide no remote power capabilities [17:50] and see if it fits any use cases [17:50] yea [17:51] minus a few switches, and old hardware all my boxes can be power cycled [17:51] do you use a step down transformer or a 120V UPS? [17:52] ballen: imagine if your remote management card (in my case, SuperMicro IPMI 2.0) fails. What do you do? You can't do squat if you rely on it alone. With switched PDUs, you can at least "fallback" to the older method of power cycling the actual port [17:52] yea, doubt it worth the extra cost though [17:52] at least for me [17:53] and who wants to figure out this question... [17:53] currently have a 5000VA UPS [17:53] 208V [17:53] a step down transformer to 120V [17:54] 4 Dell R900 servers [17:54] at 4 bars of utilization on the UPS [17:54] would moving to using a PDU and running the servers at 208V lower the UPS utilization [17:55] ballen: it is certainly worth it for me. Imagine if the box which hosts your VPS had some failure requiring a power cycle. I could either 1) power cycle it w/ AP7932 in 30 seconds, or 2) power cycle it in the time it takes someone to physically be there (usually an hour) ? To me, that cost is HUUUUUUUUUUGE in terms of downtime. Yes, please, ram me in the butt with the $700 one time fee it [17:55] costs to buy an AP7932 ;) [17:55] lol [17:55] right on [17:55] yea if something goes down off hours for me [17:56] someone looses the time I takes me to get there on computing some bio calculation [17:56] but they can be restarted [17:56] yeah, downtime simply costs less for you [17:56] yep [17:57] i'll gladly hit the Nagios "Acknowledge" button on a non-critical host that is down at 2AM and back to sleep too... ;) [17:58] *and go [17:58] but for those hosts, heh, why even get a page [17:58] an email is fine and i don't worry about it [17:58] yea [17:58] now i'll try to figure out your power question [17:58] cool thanks [17:59] if you need the specs on the Dell's let me know [17:59] i do [17:59] how many bars is 100% utilization? [17:59] 5 [18:00] now here's a question, Mr. I Have Everything in 208V [18:00] why didn't you just go DC power all the way? would save 20% [18:01] didn't buy the hardware... walked in with it sitting in boxes [18:01] ballen: generally, if you _can_ run your gear at higher voltage and you have the infrastructure for it, then do it [18:01] right [18:01] don't step it down [18:01] yep [18:01] I know [18:02] again... wasn't around when the hardware was bought [18:02] trying to fix things [18:02] i think your UPS would be a little less utilized, yes, if you switch to 208V [18:02] hmm [18:03] justifying the 180 bucks for a PDU and lossing 500ish for the wasted cost the transformer [18:03] ? [18:03] just looked up the R900 [18:03] so wow, you have 4 of these at it is basically using 80% of your 5000VA UPS? [18:04] yep [18:04] well looking at the APC manual [18:04] what's in it, a jet engine? [18:04] 4 bars = 67% [18:04] 5 bars = 84% [18:04] 3 = 50 [18:04] yea I know [18:04] thats why I'm trying to figure out whats up with it [18:06] up_the_irons: so is my second card working? [18:06] was actually hoping to plug in a single PSU from each of my two M4000's into it [18:11] d^_^b: haven't tried yet [18:11] ballen: well, it says: [18:11] 1030 W (90V - 180 VAC) - 1570W (180 - 240 VAC) hot-plug auto-sensing redundant power (1+1) [18:11] hey [18:11] grub is gay [18:11] ballen: so it is kinda on the mark [18:11] ballen: they are simply energy hogs [18:12] up_the_irons [18:12] when are you gonna have ssd vps [18:13] jeev: when someone wants to pay for it [18:14] hmm [18:14] you can charge double for space and try it as a beta [18:14] have you calculated how much expense the drives would add ? [18:14] it would be WAY more than double [18:14] have you seen SSD pricing? :) [18:14] but doesn't it save a lot of power ? [18:15] it wouldn't be substantial enough [18:15] my boxes take 2A [18:15] if it dropped down to 1A [18:15] 1A is not a lot of savings in terms of raw cost [18:15] it's like 5 bux a month lol [18:16] with power conditioning cost, more like between $10 - $20 per month [18:17] oh [18:17] not bad [18:17] if you have like 5 boxes, that's like 50-100/month [18:17] easy enough to just charge double for spacing and make your money back within a few months, no ? [18:17] how many drives does it take to complete your aray ? [18:17] array [18:19] jeev: huh? what about the actually SSD cost. WAY f*cking higher than a SATA drive and MUCH lower capacity [18:19] jeev: 8 drives [18:19] jeev: buy me 8 500GB SSD's and I'll offer SSD VMs ;) [18:21] just use the 160gig ones [18:21] why 8 [18:22] fuck it they dont last long anyway [18:23] jeev: performance [18:23] raid1 for life! [18:23] 8 drives in a RAID 10 @ 7200 RPM really makes a difference [18:24] heh, i use raid0 at home [18:24] raid0 sucks! [18:24] i love raid -3 [18:27] anyway, you dont know anything about anything if you dont use AP9606's [18:32] yeah, discontinued cards are ftw [18:33] i'm installing a new AP7932 tonight actually... moar powar! [18:37] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [18:38] wack [18:38] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [19:22] *** up_the_irons has quit IRC ("WeeChat 0.2.6.1") [19:30] *** heavysixer has quit IRC () [19:41] *** up_the_irons has joined #arpnetworks [19:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o up_the_irons [19:41] *** up_the_irons has quit IRC (Client Quit) [19:48] *** up_the_irons has joined #arpnetworks [19:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o up_the_irons [19:48] testing weechat 3.0... 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