#arpnetworks 2010-01-03,Sun

RandalSchwartz

well, that'll work then

islandfox

you just have /boot as ufs

RandalSchwartz

Lemme try it with vmware first
actually, looks like that was updated as - http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/UFSBoot
that has more explicit commands

islandfox

ah yeah, that looks like it should work with less adjustment... I forgot about the gpart swith
I would suggest adjusting that config to put the root fs as a separate tank/root or such rather than tank directly, for easier management later

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RandalSchwartz

where do those magic numbers come from?
gpart add -i 2 -b 2097152 -s 8380827 -t freebsd-swap ad0s3

islandfox

-i is the partition index
-s is the partition size

RandalSchwartz

how do I compute the size?
with gpt, I just said "use the rest of the disk"

islandfox

-b is the offset
I think it'll auto-compute those

RandalSchwartz

looks like I have to type those in
it's on a commandline
but are those numbers correct for *my* disk?

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islandfox

I know I didn't have to specify the offsets, I don't remember the size
I doubt it

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RandalSchwartz

ugh - so many things I never have to worry about in OSX :)

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islandfox

for the first part, on a clean disk, you should be able to just: gpart create -s mbr ad0 && gpart add -t freebsd md0

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RandalSchwartz

that last part is "md0"?

islandfox

err ad0

RandalSchwartz

is that the name for the freebsd part?
oh

islandfox

I'm testing it here on a md device
gpart create -s bsd ad0s1
gpart add -s 1G -t freebsd-ufs ad0s1
gpart add -s 2G -t freebsd-swap ad0s1
gpar add -t freebsd-zfs ad0s1
gpart*
should do it
subsitute ad0s3 for ad0s1 in the rest of the tutorial

RandalSchwartz

starting with gpart create -s mbr ad0 ?

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islandfox

I'm not sure why gpart directions always make the partitioning so difficult...
yes, on a clean disk
if you've been messing with it, probably want to zero the first part first to remove any artifacts

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RandalSchwartz

ok - I'll give that a whirl
first with vmware to see something work

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RandalSchwartz

gpart create -s bsd ad0s1 doesn't work
oh - I need the gpart -t line before that?

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Arenlor

RandalSchwartz: So have a headache yet?

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islandfox

RandalSchwartz: the "gpart add -t freebsd ad0" creates ad0s1, if that's what you mean

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RandalSchwartz

I don't get headaches
I just get frustrated. :)
I've done my share of yelling this morning already
oksushi, disk geometry looks good
oops... just "ok" there. damn autocomplete

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Arenlor

I don't see an oksushi in the room ^_^

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RandalSchwartz

is /dev/ad0s1d the 4th partition of ad0s1?
as in, are the letters sequential?

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Arenlor

ad0 is disc and s1 is slice right?

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RandalSchwartz

are you asking me?
because I'm asking. :)

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jeev

yea
ad0 = 0 disk i guess

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Arenlor

Well I know that BSD does disk and slices, partitions are what I'm used to with Linux ^_^, trying to learn

RandalSchwartz

so if gpart show has "2" for the thing I want, then I use "b"

jeev

s x = the slice

islandfox

ad0 is the disk, ad0s1 is the dos partition on the disk, ad0s1[abd] are the bsd partitions within the dos partition

RandalSchwartz

ad0s1, item 2

jeev

yea

RandalSchwartz

"b" = 2?

islandfox

gpart show ad0s1

jeev

fdisk -l and see

Arenlor

RandalSchwartz: http://z.about.com/d/linux/1/0/H/1/screen_disk_label.jpg
C I think is reserved

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islandfox

looks like a will be 1, b 2, and d 4
c is reserved for the whole device

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RandalSchwartz

well, I just have 1 and 2
gpart shows 1 and 2

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islandfox

did you do the freebsd-zfs one?

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RandalSchwartz

I want swap on ZFS
since I don't care about dumps
and I might want to resize it

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islandfox

that could be dangerous, it was in the past known to be unreliable, and as far as I can tell, was never fixed

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Arenlor

Swap is kept on b it would seem?

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islandfox

if you really want to, you should probably delete the freebsd-zfs partition, and add it back with index 4, as 2/b is traditionally swap
though it should still work either way

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RandalSchwartz

well - I'm just trying to get proof of concept going too
so for example, I'm making one big disk, instead of all the pieces
because it takes too long to type all those commands. :)

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islandfox

what pieces?

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RandalSchwartz

zroot/var, zroot/var/crash, zroot/db, zroot/db/pkg
takes forever to type all those
just to get different attributes for different parts
the install.sh creates all the right dirs anyway

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islandfox

yeah, I wouldn't do that anyway, most tutorials seem to like to overcomplicate things just to show off zfs...

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Arenlor

islandfox: Ever read a linux tutorial?

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islandfox

Arenlor: not really

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Arenlor

Linux tutorials are why extended partitons were created.
You apparentally need to create a partiton for every file you will ever have.

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islandfox

ah, heh

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RandalSchwartz

uh oh. step failed
cd /zroot
mv boot bootdir/
oh - exec failed
maybe needs LD_LIBRARY_PATH alrady
oh weird, there's no /bin/cp
now I have to figure out how to fix the steps
crap

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Arenlor

Wow.

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RandalSchwartz

yeah /zroot/bootdir is still mounted
so that's a cross device move
which needs a cp to work
unless that was supposed to be unmounted at some point
nope
crap - foiled again

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Arenlor

Wait, I seem remember a story about long ago when a tape drive crashed and they had to rebuild cp and the other tools in hex.

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RandalSchwartz

RandalSchwartz throws hands up in the air

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islandfox

let me start up a VM here so I can follow along...

[13:34]

RandalSchwartz

run through all the steps... notice the step mounting /zroot/bootdir early, and then trying to "mv" into that from outside that later
the question is, should I unmount it, or should I cp the data in?
which view of /zroot/bootdir is needed?

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islandfox

it should be the ufs bootdir, I believe
I think this is the tricky part which I skipped, since I didn't install from release media

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RandalSchwartz

well - I'm stuck here, unless you can point me at relevant manpages, or try to understand the author's intent and patch it

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islandfox

yeah, I'm getting a VM running here, I'll run through it and try to see what's going on
it'll be a bit because I have to do it on a remote machine

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RandalSchwartz

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islandfox

RandalSchwartz: ok I think I see what's going on
RandalSchwartz: in the :Move /zroot/boot into /zroot/bootdir" section
RandalSchwartz: instead of the mv, try cd /zroot; tar cf - boot | tar xf - -C bootdir
(then either mv boot out of the way, or delete it)
I suspect that's all you need to change, if not, I'm saving the whole setup I'm doing, and can post it somewhere
also you need to do a umount /zroot/bootdir before the zfs umount -a as well

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RandalSchwartz: for reference, what I did (assuming no typos in copying) is here: http://islandfox.net/~pete/zfs.txt
which I just sucessfully booted into
(I had to skip around a bit while figuring things out, and haven't re-followed that 100% from scratch)
I've got to go for a while, but please let me know how it turns out
also I would suggest upgrading to the latest 8-stable after getting the install done to pick up the recent zfs fixes

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RandalSchwartz

thanks

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YEAY! success in vmware with GPT ZFS
the trick was that I was doing "zpool export"
because I wanted to tidy up before a reboot
but that broke the cache :)
now to try this with my VPS

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RandalSchwartz

oops... shoudl I have not set em0 to DHCP?

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jlgaddis

on your vps? no

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RandalSchwartz

do you know where the settings go in FreeBSD?
I'm logged in through the VNC

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jlgaddis

/etc/rc.conf
ifconfig_em0= ...
ifconfig_em0="inet x.x.x.x netmask 255.255.255.252", iirc

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RandalSchwartz

or .250 in my case
err .240
and where do I put the default route and DNS

jlgaddis

yeah, adjust as needed =)
defaultrouter="x.x.x.x"
dns in resolv.conf

Arenlor

Can anyone help me get DNS setup, if I get it working with just the one domain I can get it to work with the others.

RandalSchwartz

thanks

jlgaddis

np
bind arenlor?

RandalSchwartz

I can ping my default router
this is a good sing

Arenlor

jlgaddis: Yes, bind9 on debian.

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Arenlor

I have it to the point that the server itself recognizes the domain and will talk with it.

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RandalSchwartz

ooh, and I can ping my old box :)

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jlgaddis

not sure if i remember debian's way of doing it, recently retired my last debian box running named
Arenlor: that's the hard part :P

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Arenlor

Now the big step, how do I get the world to recognize the domain and go to it ^_^'

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ziyourenxiang

arenlor: you have to delegate the domain to your name server from your registrar

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jlgaddis

go to your domain registrar and change the authoritative dns servers to point to you
you'll need two

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Arenlor

Arenlor isn't sure what to set them to

jlgaddis

the ip's of your dns servers
the ones running bind

RandalSchwartz

there we go. traceroute works

ToastyX

you need to register name servers before you can point a domain to them

RandalSchwartz

names and everything

Arenlor

Ok so figuring out how to register them is my next step then, thanks ^_^

ToastyX

like if you want ns1.example.net and ns2.example.net, you will have to register ns1.example.net and ns2.example.net to point to your name server IP addresses

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ToastyX

then you can set a domain to use ns1.example.net and ns2.example.net

RandalSchwartz

I guess sshd doesn't come up by default?

jlgaddis

RandalSchwartz: echo 'sshd_enable="YES"' >> /etc/rc.conf

ziyourenxiang

randalschwartz: rc.conf contains the stuff that starts up... defaults are in /etc/defaults/rc.conf

jlgaddis

RandalSchwartz: not much does, by default

RandalSchwartz

thanks - sorta like openbsd then

jlgaddis

RandalSchwartz: take a look at /etc/defaults/rc.conf, then "override" those settings in /etc/rc.conf

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RandalSchwartz

wonderful thanks
can I start ssh after the fact right now?
something to do with /etc/rc.d ?

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jlgaddis

man, people are fucking idiots. some fucknut walking his dog just got a shotgun pulled on him.

anthis

thats fucked up

jlgaddis

walking down the sidewalk and shined his flashlight in my front window

Arenlor

Wait, you're the one who pulled the shotgun on him?

... http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot

jlgaddis

since the neighbor's got broken into about two weeks ago, i grabbed the remington and yanked the front door open and ordered him to the ground.
RandalSchwartz: probably can just do "/usr/sbin/sshd", i think
RandalSchwartz: whatever "sshd_program" is in /etc/defaults/rc.conf, along with "sshd_flags" (empty by default)

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synapze

up_the_irons: you around?

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islandfox

RandalSchwartz: /etc/rc.d/sshd start

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RandalSchwartz

yeay - logged in via ssh

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islandfox

RandalSchwartz: what zfs setup did you end up with?

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RandalSchwartz

you'll never believe it :)

but I was "tidying up" at the end by "zpool export"
and that was, in fact, corrupting the zfs
dammit - I was taught never to reboot with stuff still attache.d :)
and as long as I could type zfs list and see things, I was worried :)

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islandfox

ah, cool

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islandfox

I hope it works for you, that setup scared me off reading about the gptzfsboot loader problems...

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RandalSchwartz

117GB free. :)
zroot 117959040 275712 117683328 0% /
what's the "update the ports" command?

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islandfox

I prefer portsnap+portupgrade personally, though there are several solutions

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RandalSchwartz

yeah - portsnap
comes by default

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jlgaddis

jlgaddis looks over at the llama book
thought your name sounded familiar

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RandalSchwartz

just portsnap fetch?
looks like it's grabbing 60MB of something :)

ziyourenxiang

portsnap fetch install or portsnap fetch update

jlgaddis

portsnap fetch extract the first time

islandfox

first time, rm -rf /usr/ports && portsnap fetch extract
after that, portsnap fetch update

ziyourenxiang

unless you're installing from source, you should also do freebsd-update

RandalSchwartz

yeah - it's that perl guy
and floss weekly guy

Arenlor

http://arenhost.net/ That work for you?

RandalSchwartz

first order of business - build emacs :)

jlgaddis

Arenlor: yep

RandalSchwartz

I can sorta work vi, but not very well
oh wait, before that, screen

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Arenlor

Awesome, it's working somewhat then, need to debug apache it seems, but other than that sweet.

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jlgaddis

arenhost.net has address 208.79.95.130

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Arenlor

jlgaddis: Yes, but go to that IP and you'll see what I expected to show up.

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jlgaddis

yeah, i did
empty directory index

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ziyourenxiang

with an informative apache banner

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RandalSchwartz

portsnap extract seems to be working

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Arenlor

Heh spent too much time working on this already today, taking a short break.

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RandalSchwartz

oh cool. this zfs has .zfs/snapshot working :)
the OSX version didn't
so this is pretty close to the one on opensolaris

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RandalSchwartz

what is "vulnerability check disabled database not found"

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islandfox

since you don't have portaudit set up, I think

jlgaddis

portaudit is not installed or the database isn't

ziyourenxiang

randalschwartz: portaudit -Fda

RandalSchwartz

ahh, probably need to install portaudit then
eww. every time I say "make install" on a port, I get an ugly config
is there someway to say "go ahead and always use the defaults"?

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islandfox

make BATCH=yes install clean

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RandalSchwartz

aha
thanks
I suspect the options screen times out though
and it's nice that it works inside real screen :)
Yeah, this is gonna take the better part of a few days to get this to work
good thing I have plenty of other things to keep me busy *too* :)
oooh. building perl
this looks familiar

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RandalSchwartz

that's odd. Perl comes with openbsd, because the packaging system uses it

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islandfox

it used to be in freebsd base, but was removed (with much pain, apparently) quite a while ago

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RandalSchwartz

I don't blame them

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Arenlor

Why do I need the www in the ServerName on apache?

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RandalSchwartz

wow - and now we're installing ruby
you don't
you can make the basename with or without www
you just have to be consistent
and put the other one as an alias

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Arenlor

I had it as "ServerName arenhost.net" and it wouldn't load the index, changed it to "ServerName www.arenhost.net"

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RandalSchwartz

there's somethign else at play then
it really doesn't care about that name
unless something else epends on it

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jlgaddis

if dns is set up properly, it should work

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Arenlor

well foo

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jlgaddis

i use ServerName domain.com and ServerAlias www.domain.com

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Arenlor

Even more foo, both www.arenhost.net and arenhost.net are working properly.

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up_the_irons

wow, just got an order from Iceland (the first). I've never seen so much unicode in my order form... ;)

synapze

up_the_irons: my box was turned off cuz i was ddos'd last night
how do i go about upgrading my vps?

up_the_irons

synapze: i was just going to email you about that

synapze

and how much will it cost?
its bs

up_the_irons

see your email in a few

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synapze

i found out who did it, i pulled his dox
do you guys prosecute ddos attacks?
i have the ddos log on my vps also
as well as irc logs of him threatening/talking about it
ok re: email

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up_the_irons

synapze: i'm not in law enforcement, i can't prosecute anything. i'm not sure my local fbi field office will care, i'm small time. DDoS twitter and facebook, they might care about that..

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jlgaddis

up_the_irons: you have local ntp servers?

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synapze

up_the_irons: well im in the process of fwd'ing the info to the authorities
this guy ddos's more than just your network :[18:52] <up_the_irons> jlgaddis: no
up_the_irons: i was also curious, why does one of your servers send udp packets to port 0?
speaking of
anthis is the one ddos'ing your network
in here
:[18:53] <up_the_irons> synapze: dunno, which server is sending packets to port 0?
cant remember the host name would have to check logs
it was lots of packets right before my vps/ssh session died
something.arpnetworks.com

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up_the_irons

synapze: yeah, i know anthis did it

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synapze

oic
are you srs?
its not my fault that happened
at least let me ge the logs off my vps

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up_the_irons

and i think you and anthis need to work out your differences elsewhere; it is not fair to everyone else

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synapze

this doenst even involve me
he was targeting a user on my vps
and i happened to be the box he was on

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up_the_irons

who is on your vps is not my concern, it is _yours_; anything that happens to it is your responsibility

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synapze

anthis: have fun when the feds knock on your door
wow, so much for running my website
up_the_irons: its not my fault what some lame ddos kiddie does either
i cant control the actions of others
can we compromise and i remove that user from my vps?
i put tons of work into that vps

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up_the_irons

I really like the fact that I allow IRC services on my network, but when shit like this happens, I can really see why most networks don't allow. I use IRC for legitimate purposes, and lots of others do as well; but when guys who run bots and offer shell accounts and cause trouble, that really chaps me off

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synapze

i gave a shell to a few of my close trusted friends
you can even look at my passwd file

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up_the_irons

synapze: you can't control the actions of others? of course not, do you know what "responsibility" means? It is _not_ your fault, but it *is* your responsibility

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synapze

can we compromise and i remove the user that anthis was targeting and get my vps back?

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up_the_irons

synapze: nope

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synapze

so im responsible for the actoins of others?
i see your logic

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up_the_irons

synapze: you know how much that DoS cost me in time and energy, and how many people it affected, many of them in this very channel? I could charge you managed services fees ($250 / mo) and I'd still not make up my loss

synapze

anthis made more threats didnt he?
thats why ure not giving my vps back
thats the only reason he would be in here

up_the_irons

you caused trouble, that is why your vps was cancelled

synapze

so the ddos kiddie gets his way and a legitimate customer gets fucked
nice huh
i didnt cause trouble
anthis did
i set up that vps so i could host an affiliate site for an e-cig company

up_the_irons

yup, true, what do you want me to do? I have a business to run
nice how there is no good way to stop UDP floods; let's complain to the IETF
anyway, synapze + anthis: settle your differences elsewhere

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up_the_irons

I have work to do

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synapze

anthis: now im really making sure you get yours

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synapze

thanks for fucking up my vps permanently

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up_the_irons

fuck me
whoever mentioned +q the other day, THANK YOU
:)

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up_the_irons

_now_ i have work to do

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Arenlor

Does arenhost.info and arenhost.net look the same to anyone?

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up_the_irons

Arenlor: they look identical to me in a browser

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Arenlor

up_the_irons: That's what I thought, don't know why but my computer has the wrong IP stuck in it. Tried flushing DNS and everything, and I use OpenDNS and it has the right IP.

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up_the_irons

Arenlor: what OS you run?

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Arenlor

Actually just tried it on a separate computer and it gives the same issue.

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up_the_irons

dns cacher somewhere

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Arenlor

Which is not cool.
Especially given that I run OpenDNS and have DD-WRT on my router to try to prevent issues like this.

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jlgaddis

using dnsmasq or whatever on dd-wrt?
it's probably caching it

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Arenlor

Had thought it was disabled.

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mhoran

22:07 <@up_the_irons> whoever mentioned +q the other day, THANK YOU
22:07 <@up_the_irons> :)
Whoops.
Stupid middle click.

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Arenlor

+q is yummy.

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RandalSchwartz

what is +q ?

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jeev

quiet

[22:46]

RandalSchwartz

quiet on what?

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jeev

huh
it quiets them
theyre mute pretty much in the channel

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RandalSchwartz

I guess I don't need to kno

jeev

eh
if they set +q mode on you
you can't talk in here
if it's set in here.

RandalSchwartz

... (mhoran:#arpnetworks) 22:07 <@up_the_irons> whoever mentioned +q the other day, - THANK YOU

jeev

+q = mode

RandalSchwartz

are you talking about +q being set hhere?

jeev

yes
it was set on

RandalSchwartz

why does he say THANK_YOU?
RandalSchwartz is lost

jeev

because he didnt know what +q was

RandalSchwartz

and why was it useful to find out?
is +q on now here?
or was it before?

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jeev

dood
you've got a lot of questions
i dont think he's set +q on anyone
but it's available in all channels

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RandalSchwartz

well - that's why I'm curious... why is he saying THANK_YOU
because he wants to be *able* to queit someone?

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jeev

because sometimes people get out of hand

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RandalSchwartz

yeah, ok

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jeev

read the guys conversation up there

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RandalSchwartz

I don't see it all
just some quotes from him

jeev

RandalSchwartz

which don't make any sense
I don't have a huge scrollback, by choice

jeev

crazy]
what you run
oh heh

RandalSchwartz

I don't want anyone to get the idea that they can say somethign *here* to me, on top of all the *other* ways to reach me
I don't one more place to look

jeev

what ?