up_the_irons: thanks for the note; re timing, nothing to complain about - didn't affect me so no need for me to whine! :-) hm (qemu) savevm Error while creating snapshot on 'ide0-hd0' :/ ss cause i haev raw format shit man im annoyed i need a quick way to upgrade fbsd 32bit to 64bit boot the 64 bit iso and over-write the 32bit bins? hmm install a 64 bit kernel and the 32 bit compat libs i tried live cd but i seem to have failed they should then rename that cd to a dead cd heh i'm sure i did something wrong can't i just install amd64 over, without newfs'ing i'm sure I have been suggesting this to you for nearly a week now ;-) eh the damn customer updated his site and traffic is at 180 megs i can't risk it, i'll try it on the kvm machine now though it has an upgrade option let me try weird i'm not sure if i'm seeing this it's working shit, not too sure but i'm SURE my last install was i386 yep