islandfox: using your links, I was able to track down the specific QEMU upstream commit that had the uart fix; applied it to kvm-84 package of Jaunty, did the build package dance, installed it, and...  i think this describes it best: http://twitter.com/up_the_irons/status/6494527918
up_the_irons: :) nice, glad it worked
What's this?
anyone know a safe and secure free lvie chat
live
define "safe and secure"
seriously ?
you can use it over https
heh
somethnig not hackable
sure
anything is "hackable" -- but I'd have it on it's own server and just isolate it from everything else chroot'ed apache (or using a bsd jail...)
got a name? :)
there are a few open source ones which are pretty good
i forget :)
mick_laptop, you think you can maybe see which one
ones
i'm getting really nervous here
i've had 20 targetted visitors, all have left at order page
can't find it
:-/
there is something better than: http://www.craftysyntax.com/
i just haven't found it
midbit
jeev: sorry that it took so long, i found it
http://mibew.org/
simple, intuitive and doesn't suck
jeev: you were looking for something like a "live help" thing, right?
up_the_irons: wrt the uart fix thing, does that remove the necessary 'disable mpbios' for OpenBSD or does that fix something else?
toddf: something else completely; "fix" a small issue with qemu serial emulation that caused a problem with FreeBSD's new uart(4) driver
ah
toddf: although if there is a specific commit (or two or three...) in QEMU upstream or KVM that you think will fix the mpbios issue, I can cherry-pick it now and rebuild
I wish I could help, but until qemu current upstream runs on OpenBSD without SEGV'ing .. ;-(
it would be an easy test, just boot your qemu template for OpenBSD w/out the 'disable mpbios' fix in current qemu and that should either work or hang, if it works, there's a cherry-picking to look for, if it doesn't, they still suck
yeah true
while qemu - kvm isn't slow slow, booting a kernel for testing doesn't take forever either, it hangs at the 'setting tty flags' line, which is when serial ports are probed, which is why my ears perked up when speaking of serial port issues being resolved, but somehow I suspect you're right and this won't fix things for OpenbSD
s/probed/first frobbed from userland/
toddf: ah, serial port probe.. i can certainly give it a try
Can someone give me some more info on the BSD VPS plans?
what would you like to know
what level of management is offered?
great question, i was under the impression that it was unmanaged, i'm not sure what the website said but that would be a question to ask up_the_irons
you're looking for management?
not necessarily, I just want to know what to expect
i'd say it's unmanaged but dont take my word for i
t
no questions about stability and stuff? :) i dont remember the last second of downtime i had.
infact, i've never ;D
what level of access is provided? Just a terminal or web-based?
you get ssh console access, mrtg if you want and the obvious, ssh into your server if you want
if you isntall that actually but i think you get ssh console access in the beginning
I've seen good reviews about service and uptime, but not a lot of information on what is provided?
yea, i think other than what's on the website.. i know he's working on adding stuff round the clock
but it's just like getting a dedicated server
what BSDs are offered?
i think open and free
i know free, i think open.. toddf is an openbsd developer
what verui
versions?
as far as freebsd 7.2. i think 8.0 is going into beta soon, although some people may have upgraded themselves
openbsd, i have no idea.
what are you running?
7.2
are vm's provisioned for you or is it self-serve?
as in do you just get a console and install it yoursefl ?
yes
they're provisioned, im not sure about the install it yourself, i'm sure if you asked.. you'd get
i think they're also looking into giving a single slice of / which i'd prefer, rather than the default slices
thanks, I think I'll pick up a basic plan
you should probably request the slices if you want / or default..
cool, good luck
you deal with any other companies before ?
for openbsd, when I ordered 4.6 was not available yet on the order form, apparently now it is
yea i just noticed openbsd written on the site
but anyway, it's easy to upgrade, I am running a recent snapshot at the moment
ahh
how you like openbsd? i dont recall ever trying it
and you have have both vnc and serial console in addition to regular ssh
so when you mess things up, you can recover
jeev: well, I have been running openbsd for years, it's my favourite :)
ahh
especially with the cdrom .. one thing I wish (qemu) could set at the monitor propmt was the media it boots from, unless I missed it, you have to reboot to choose a different boot disk..
but yeah, soon as I got console access I re-installed my openbsd kvm from 4.5 to 4.6-current
toddf: I have the 4.5 cdrom attached, which is completely useless, I just fetch a bsd.rd and install over the net
huh toddf
well, its not useless if the hard drive is hozed, can recover easily
you can run qemu-kvm and maake it mount a cd
jeev: at arpnetworks I can select cdrom vs disk boot?
jeev: I mean q/out exiting qmeu
ahh
rtjmay: I believe Garry is putting up a minimal install of your OS of choice; you can always change that once it is up. I take a bare minimum FreeBSD and then trick it outmyself. Like Xen you can make and install your own world and kernel
toddf: btw, which mirror do you use? I noticed that the one proposed by the installer is very slow, I found that obsd.isc.org (aka ftp5.usa) has about lowest latency, but is actually still a lot slower than alberta
I thought people were running openbsd only on firewalls. why do you use it? I've used FreeBSD some years ago..and can understand why one chooses that (instead of say linux). but why openbsd?
DaCa: I use ftp5.usa.openbsd.org not because of speed but because of v6
the installer provides a guess at a mirror, its not providing a guranteed good and fast one, but one that will work
schmir: uh, security is not limited to firewalls
I use OpenBSD on my desktop and all my systems, openafs servers, hosting, etc.
crazy
:)
then there's the (IMHO) superior package management framework, and the 'it just works' mentra plus the 'secure by default' mentra ..
how do you remind someone something if they promised it to you
passively
i prefer a way i could inject it in their brain while they're asleep
I've never installed another os where the only twiddling one has to do is to enable what one wants, instead of frantically racing against the internet people to disable all the blasted default stuff enabled ..
toddf, screen shot of your desktop ;D
http://todd.fries.net/pub/screenshot.jpg
toddf: I'll probably try it someday. archlinux behaves pretty similar here.
hmm
i'd kill myself if i had to look at that all day
hah
some people are gui whores
:>
I'm a minimalist
toddf: cwm? :)
I'd kill myself if I had to use cvs
right on
i can't wait to get a ssd so i could dump vista and get win 7
i already have an ssd but for my desktop i need a good one
hey, wouldn't that be cool if arps was the first to have ssd
I can't stand anything proprietary os wize
arp was first to have ssd
i for one would pay a dollar a month more for 10 gigs on ssd!
haha
jeev: to .. not use it still?
raid 10 on ssd, how much
or have you started using your kvm instance yet?
i dont use it much, i mirror helio's evoke thingy for bsd
google evoke google code
http://code.google.com/p/evoke/ evoke is really cool
i've used it to wipe dedicated's clean before i cancel
so i make sure they dont go recover shit
but of course.. openbsd can probably do it by default.
if all you want to do is wipe the hd
http://code.freedaemon.com/p/secwipe
runnable from any openbsd bsd.rd
heh
but i assume it has to be unmounted
in bsd.rd its in ram so the real hd of course is not mounted
crazy
i'ev got to give openbsd a try one day
toddf, does bsd.rd have the ability to inject something into someone's mind while they're sleeping so they can remember it ?!?
only if you add /dev/head to it before booting
hmm, too much work..
i guess i have to wait for him to remember it, i am very annoyed.. i was perfectly happy
I've never seen fuming work over a misremembered promise, I'd recommend you outright remind the person
s/promise/promise work/
that's why i dont want to remind ;D
so you can get a good fume out?
mick_laptop, thanks but i think i'm gonna get this hosted one instead cause it lets me pop into their screen
huh todd
me: I dont see fuming work, I recommend you outright remind..
you: thats why i dont want to remind
oh
well if it was that big of a deal, you'd still remind ?
I like the simple reality. either remind or forget, not stress my life away, regardless the size of the deal. deal and move on, I say.
yea, im gonna try to forget.
i sort of reminded once
is arpnetworks gonna have a float at the rose parade?
OH MY GOD did anyone see those two hot teachers naked in a new york school ?????????????????????
holy
sorry
http://www.popfi.com/wp-content/uploads/alini-brito-and-cindy-mauro.jpg
i'd hit the left one
wow man livechat is the greatest thing for a website
snarfed a customer via conversion?
I wish it supported postgresql
up_the_irons what kvm patch did to pull from uptream?
earlier
now, thy just ask questions or ignore it
another cool thing is when i write a message to them
i know if they close the site
it's ok, they'll be back
mmk
ballen: this one:
commit 2d6ee8e7e17227d5eb8c6e9a054dd88d5b37c5ae
Author: Juergen Lock <nox@jelal.kn-bremen.de>
Date:   Sat Sep 12 18:52:22 2009 +0200
    qemu serial: lost tx irqs (affecting FreeBSD's new uart(4) driver)
ballen: it's from QEMU and I applied it to KVMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
lol
lol
*KV
oh I see
*KVM
what its actually a big deal
why*
guessing you were running into an issue with FreeBSD somewhere?
ballen: I didn't have the ability to connect to the serial console of FreeBSD 8 guests, only 7.2 and prior.  That patch fixed it right up
ah right on
well done
thanks, I went bonkers when I saw it all work
cuz it is not just the patch, it is also rebuilding the kvm package of Ubuntu (makeing the .deb), then applying it as an upgrade
yea
and for the record, sometimes keys stick on  my keyboard, hence the million m's above ;)
ahhh
fair enough
bastards
indeed
wow toddf
well im glad.. but i dont think im gonna get it after all
jeev: did you end up using the link that i sent you?
it was cool, thanks
but i'm gonna use a paid one.. that one doesn't let me pop into people's screens
morning. I mean evening.
toddf: your desktop looks familiar; what are you using as a wm?
I'm gui-less myself, although I must admit I'm too lazy to size windows so I let dwm do it for mw. Probabliy not jeev's cuppa tea. Oh, speaking of tea, I think I'll go make a pot before I settle in for the night shift.
heh
i'm drinking tea now
sroute: cwm
hi i just ordered!
Ah; I've not had the pleasure. I once had a quick gander at evilwm but ended up with wmii, which was burdened with too much Plan 9 religion, but dwm which arose from it is nice and small. Can't be bothered to switch to anything else now, and frankly when you spend all day long in terminal windows your needs are pretty small aren't they...
coil welcome to the family.
Now that you are here coil, it is only fair that you be warned. you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave...
haha whats that from
sorry, had an Eagles song stuck in my head
sroute: small needs indeed, 'boarderwidth 1' so one pixel boarders on all apps, about all I need