[00:16] *** [FBI] starts logging #arpnetworks at Thu Nov 26 00:16:48 2009 [00:16] *** [FBI] has joined #arpnetworks [00:17] lol [00:41] sroute: man, your blog post musta worked cuz now search results for "freebsd vps" have me at #3. Was previously at #4. w00t [00:41] sroute: and your actual blog post is on the 2nd page [00:41] google indexes fast [00:46] sroute: oh whoa, your blog is syndicated to planet python? NICE [00:49] hey [00:49] why is it that doing passwd as root doesn't change the root pwd? [00:49] ah i figured out why heh [00:49] nc__: on openbsd, that's just the default [00:50] yeah just typing passwd without passwd root was changing my username's password [00:50] sroute: btw, you're spot in your last two paragraphs. For the record, I enjoy managing server and network hardware; my services appeal to command line people; and my target market *is* people who know what they are doing [00:51] nc__: yup [00:51] sroute: s/spot/spot on/ [00:51] ah cool [00:52] up_the_irons: for rebooting can i just `reboot` like i would anywhere else? [00:53] nc__: yup [00:53] sweet [00:53] nc__: if you ever recompile your kernel though (or upgrade), read this: http://scie.nti.st/2009/10/4/running-openbsd-4-5-in-kvm-on-ubuntu-linux-9-04 [00:54] up_the_irons: great, i bookmarked it. thanks :> [00:54] np [01:13] *** RonnyBarber has joined #arpnetworks [01:58] *** visinin has quit IRC ("sleep") [03:14] *** ballen has quit IRC (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) [04:44] up_the_irons: hey when you're back, could you add a ptr record for my hostname? [04:44] nc__: email support@arpnetworks.com with the details [04:44] up_the_irons: what info should i submit? just the hostname? [04:45] nc__: hostname and IP [04:46] nc__: always including your VM UUID in support tickets, is also useful [04:46] up_the_irons: is my vps running daylight saving time? [04:47] i just set the timezone to my region but its 1 hour behind. [04:47] i'll try gmt+1 instead of cest/amsterdam :-) [04:47] :-( [04:47] RonnyBarber: it should see the hardware clock as set to utc [04:48] up_the_irons: thanks, sent [04:48] np [04:48] ok [05:20] *** RonnyBarber has quit IRC ("changing hosts") [05:25] *** BarberRonny has joined #arpnetworks [06:36] up_the_irons: you are number one on bing now. Not sure where you were at before. second link on Yahoo [07:10] ;2P. [07:17] *** ballen has joined #arpnetworks [07:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ballen [07:17] happy Thanksgiving [07:23] Apparently thanksgiving in the 1700s was quite a bit different than it is today. [07:23] "Groups of men, crossdressing, who called themselves the Fantastics or Fantasticals, masqueraded on Thanksgiving beginning in the 1780s. . . Subsequently the Fantastics copied these and other elements of English mumming, such as drunkenness and ridiculing authority . . . An editorial in a Pennsylvania newspaper in 1870 defended the Fantastics, on the grounds that "it is better to be merry than sad, [07:23] and if, as some genial writer asserts, a good hearty laugh takes a nail out of your coffin, a parade of the fantasticals can not fail to lessen the bills of mortality." ' [08:44] *** heavysixer has quit IRC () [09:29] thanksgiving is gay\ [09:29] ^ [09:32] http://pastebin.ca/1688380 there is the 7.2 vs 8.0 benchmark comparison on my own server here [09:39] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [09:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [09:43] thanks for the bench results jeev. Seems to be some serious improvement in file performance [09:44] did you update an existing 7.2 install (i.e. you cared enough to ru mergemaster)? Any issues? [09:49] no [09:49] 7.2 was better than 8.0 [09:50] fresh install, soft updates [09:50] both were fresh installs. [10:02] *** heavysixer has quit IRC () [10:04] jeev: egads, I'd better start sleeping soon, read it upside down. [10:05] this sucks [10:08] I'm not in a hurry to move myself. 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Not sure those guys are my target audience, but hey, I wasn't in the results *at all* last time I checked (maybe a month ago) [15:57] so it's all good [16:00] bing is stupid [16:18] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [16:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [16:20] if i need to upgrade to another type of account - will it be a PITA - or will it be a fairly sain procedure? [16:20] i know raising ram is easy [16:20] i'm going to be deploying mod_security and I'd like to see how CPU intensive it really will be on the server [16:21] unless if it's already reached it's amount on the server [16:21] so you're curious about dual cpu ? [16:21] if he offers it, it should be a -smp 2 or something. [16:21] jeev: this is what I got on fbsd 7.2: http://pastie.org/716654 [16:22] one of my personal VMs [16:22] yea, -smp 1 ? [16:22] or -smp 2 [16:22] yeah only 1 proc [16:22] shit [16:22] what proc [16:22] mick_laptop: upgrading is easy; only hard part is extending the disk volume, which takes about 10 minutes of downtime [16:23] i just want to see that if I need to upgrade from one account that it will not be too much of a deal (I've already ordered so either way I'll see for myself) :) -- depends on the traffic i guess. also if I take up more bandwidth, I hope that I'll just get charged more [16:23] :( [16:23] RAM and CPU changes just require a reboot. IP changes require no reboot [16:23] instead of some mod_bandwidth middlefinger :) [16:23] :( [16:23] up_the_irons: thanks for the info [16:24] up_the_irons, can't tel if my 7.2 was -smp 1 or not, the original i had that scored 90, i'll assume so [16:24] what processor [16:24] mick_laptop: oh yeah, for sure, we don't slowdown or shut off a VPS just cuz it went over (unless this is actually requested). You just get charged overage [16:24] jeev: L5430 [16:25] qwat about bandwidth overage [16:25] out of mere [16:25] curiousity [16:25] *** heavysixer has quit IRC () [16:26] $2 per megabyte over [16:26] that's verizon [16:26] true [16:27] i'm gonna do -smp 1 and check now [16:32] and i take it that debian installs are just the base system, right? [16:32] no xorg etc [16:32] yeah, just base [16:32] only SSH added [16:33] sweet [16:33] :) [16:33] :( [16:36] i'm very much into minimal installs [16:36] man, someone just placed an order for Arch Linux [16:36] i don't have any Arch templates [16:36] (b/c no one orders it ;) [16:36] ;( [16:36] time to do an Arch install [16:36] hehe. that was me [16:37] haha [16:37] and by that i mean, think about doing the Arch install that i'll have to do later after the family disperses [16:39] do you use 32 or 64 bit installs? [16:41] 64 bit [16:41] i've found it to be more stable [16:41] at least w/ freebsd [16:43] vxp: bandwidth overage is generally charged at $0.15 per GB [16:45] ok. I stopped using freebsd with 4.11. [16:46] do people really order openbsd? or would you need to create an image for that too? [16:46] :) [16:47] :( [16:51] schmir: i just ordered openbsd [16:52] guess it's a busy evening for him then :) [16:52] :( [16:52] oh i ordered it last night hehe [16:54] ok. good night people and happy thanksgiving. [16:55] *** schmir has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [16:55] yeah actually openbsd is popular [16:56] oh he left [16:56] not as popular as freebsd obviously, but i do get consistent orders for openbsd [17:17] i leave you guys with: http://twitter.com/bsdvps/status/6098426866 [17:18] back to eating and drinking [17:30] shit mine sores a 74 [17:30] E5420, bah [17:31] maybe you beat me cause you got sexy hard drives, i just have 10k rpm sas [17:33] what's dm [17:35] i wonder if i should send this server back to the datacenter or put it here in LA [17:38] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [17:46] ballen [17:46] what's up nowadays [17:46] is coffee good or bad for you [17:46] it changes daily, need to get a ticker [17:52] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [17:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [18:03] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [18:17] Man, those photos of the LHC are awesome. [18:26] *** heavysixer has quit IRC () [18:41] *** blueshoes has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [18:51] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [19:10] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [19:37] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [20:13] i placed an order this morning and I haven't gotten a confirmation email back, is that normal? [20:14] i know that vps accounts are provisioned at night - so I'm hoping that it will be soon, but I want to know if I need to re-place an order or something [20:14] hmm [20:14] since normally you get some type of an email [20:14] \ [20:14] i dont remember if i got a sign up email [20:14] maybe you could email support@ just to ask [20:14] will do [20:14] i'm avoiding guests, i ate these people [20:14] hate [20:14] i saw that thank you screen [20:14] lol [20:15] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [20:17] jeev: that is why you call them family :P [20:17] at least you only need to see them 1x a year (maybe 2x) [20:17] ;) [20:17] ;( [20:18] they're extended, family in law.. and i'm serious when i say i hope their car falls off the mountain as they drive home [20:19] then when the police check what happened to the car, and look at your isp's logs -- then you are screwed [20:19] :P [20:20] man i hope that i get some type of email soon, i've been itching to put up my site. after dinner i've just been checking my email every 5 minutes [20:20] i said i hope it happens, i never said i was a murderer [20:20] but if somehow they send me to jail, arpnetworks will be jam pacjked with new clients [20:20] with all the publicity [20:20] they'll have to give me goodies in prison [20:20] heh :) [20:20] :( [20:21] is nc a bot? [20:21] i dunno, it's always unhappy! [20:21] a manic depressant bot [20:21] it should `/nick economy` [20:21] heh [20:21] economy is getting better [20:22] ya, well i hope that my shop does alright this season [20:22] what you do [20:22] since cyber monday is around the corner [20:23] sell shaving supplies [20:23] ah [20:23] lol online shop ? [20:23] badger brushes etc. [20:23] i've never used one [20:24] it is really nice (i definitely prefer it) [20:25] i want to get away from my current isp (I'm a software engineer and I was an openbsd, debian, solaris admin for years) -- all i want is ssh and i'm good [20:25] i really liked the arpnetworks site [20:26] plain and simple and straight forward [20:27] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [20:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer [20:27] and i think the irc channel may have been the thing that really sold me :) [20:27] :( [20:27] def. a bot [20:28] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Client Quit) [20:56] jeev: is there a "good time" to get in touch w/ the guys in the data center or are there usually people there around the clock? [21:01] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [21:38] for arps ? [21:38] arpnetworks ? [21:39] yup [21:39] unsure, you email him... i dont really think he's 24/7 unless if there is a crisis [21:40] since there really isn't the need for physical stuff unless if an entire server goes down [21:40] it's efficient i guess [21:40] ah it is a "him" company :) [21:40] :( [21:40] nc__, didn't you get your vps ? [21:40] mick_laptop, believe me it's better that way [21:40] as users, we're so much more happier than other VPS's [21:41] i've had such bad experiences so far [21:41] where ? [21:41] not mentioning because this is logged [21:41] i'm confused, you've had bad experiences so far ? [21:42] not w/ arpnetworks [21:42] ah [21:53] Hey [21:55] Garry does tend to show up here in the wee hours. [21:56] [FBI]: off [21:56] *** [FBI] has left [22:14] *** [FBI] starts logging #arpnetworks at Thu Nov 26 22:14:11 2009 [22:14] *** [FBI] has joined #arpnetworks [22:14] ah [22:14] as in "/msg [fbi] log #arpnetworks" [22:14] ok, food time for real [22:14] bbl [22:14] got it. [22:15] See you later. You can tell me then if FBI is one of your creations... recently I had to write an IRC logger, was kinda fun actually. [22:15] i need a project for myself [22:16] i was just working on writing up the specifications and designs for a web-based bookmark manager but in doing that i've sort of become unmotivated about it [22:22] I have to add a URL shortener to my standard suite of tools I deploy to a site; I don't trust that bit.ly et al will be around as long as I will. [22:23] hehe that's my main motivation when working on projects [22:23] Although truth be told I am not a fan of such things - it's twitter which compels the use of url shorteners. Funny after years we all hunted for "nice looking urls" now we have foo.ba/sja9aldu [22:25] Gold tanking too. An equal opportunity market plunge, I like that. [22:25] hah [22:42] *** nuke^ has quit IRC (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [22:42] *** coil has quit IRC (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [22:42] *** baklava has quit IRC (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [22:42] *** sbp__ has quit IRC (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [22:43] *** ballen has quit IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [22:43] *** nuke^ has joined #arpnetworks [22:43] *** coil has joined #arpnetworks [23:06] *** visinin has joined #arpnetworks [23:48] up_the_irons: eating again? ;) [23:48] ;( [23:48] Since this came up the other day: lambda calculus to LLVM compiler: http://blog.finiteimprobability.com/2009/11/25/lambda-calculus-compiler-part-ii-wading-in-with-arithmetic/ [23:49] nc__: At first it was cute, but can you turn your bot off? [23:49] it was cute at some point? i missed that somehow [23:53] Well I like the idea of battling emoticons with more emoticons, but it's ineffectiv so eh.