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just noting very sluggish response, 3:10 am pacific. I'm sure I've been working on the box at these hours before ;-) and not noted that; thought for a moment it was my software (!) but no. Just an FYI in case it is something you aren't aware of.
hmnn, it's back now. ***: vtoms has joined #arpnetworks
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ballen|away is now known as ballen jeev: i forgot, why can't we install 8.0 bsd ? ballen: hasn't been tested yet jeev: ah ballen: so do a inplace upgrade and let me konw how it goes
know jeev: i'll try it on my own kvm box here
8.0 iso has been out two days, updating shows 112509 as the release date, nothing announced yet ballen: yea mike-burns: 8.0 isn't out yet. ballen: yea it is
just not announced jeev: get it from torrents
i'm seeding that shiet ballen: http://torrents.freebsd.org:8080/ BarberRonny: is it out! ballen: lol need to follow the right people on the twitters jeev: jeebus i hate twitter BarberRonny: me too mike-burns: Now I don't know what it means for software to be released. ballen: loves twitter BarberRonny: its not announced yet.
mainpage still says rc3
i guess they wait a day till the mirrors catchup jeev: yea but on the installation or if you cvsup.. you can see 112509 for 8.0-release in /usr/src/UPDATING BarberRonny: whats the best way to update from 7.2 ?? freebsd-upgrade or just cvsup ? ballen: and likely making sure there is no massive bugs
freebsd-upgrade BarberRonny: i never tried that ballen: by far a better wa
y BarberRonny: k
i just have 25mb left in /
hope it doesnt conflict ballen: that might be an issue BarberRonny: well its how the vps was installed.. jeev: yea i'm annoyed i didn't request just a single slice / BarberRonny: 512mb in / and i updated a kernel (so kernel+kernel.old=almost 512) ballen: so remove kernel.old jeev: /dev/ad0s1a 496M 421M 35M 92% /
same here BarberRonny: yes
shut be alright ballen: also make sure /root is cleaned up BarberRonny: good point, but i only use /usr ballen: yea BarberRonny: oh man can't wait until fbsd8 rel is out officially ballen: I'd consider it officially out
the FreeBSD security officer announced to seed it on Twitter mike-burns: Link? ballen: one sec
https://twitter.com/cperciva/statuses/6009698830 mike-burns: Hot. ballen: Also related to why its not announced yet: https://twitter.com/cperciva/statuses/5974910827
he's the guy that wrote freebsd-update btw BarberRonny: hm i wonder where freebsd-upgrade is on my system now! ballen: freebsd-update BarberRonny: ah ballen: freebsd-update -r 8.0-RELEASE upgrade; freebsd-update install; reboot; freebsd-update install; reboot; BarberRonny: maybe first try fetch? up_the_irons: sroute: yeah, i got an alert around that time
sroute: haven't had time to investigate; i suspect main transit may have dropped bgp session and backup took over (during the transition, packet loss will occur as bgp tables converge around the world) ballen: BarberRonny: http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2009-07-11-freebsd-update-to-8.0-beta1.html BarberRonny: thx ballen ballen: replace 8.0-BETA1 with 8.0-RELEASE BarberRonny: yes
is it already on update.freebsd.org, the -rel? ballen: should be
I think it was there first up_the_irons: ballen: thanks for the update cheat sheet ballen: np up_the_irons: i might upgrade my personal freebsd vm ballen: yea let me know how it goes ***: ballen is now known as ballen|away up_the_irons: will do ***: coil has quit IRC (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
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it's a little more expensive than a place i'm at but it's 3k miles closer
i can't do a 40 server move properly
so i can't take it up_the_irons: jeev: there's lots of cheap space in LA, but it is indeed "cheap" jeev: no, the amount of bandwidth, cage space, power and ips are great.. at level3 in tustin ***: BarberRonny has quit IRC ("reboot") up_the_irons: sroute: indeed at 1:10 AM PST I got this: EMERGENCY NOTICE: Backbone Instability and software downgrade (ticket #340065)
sroute: so they downgraded and the session bounced
sroute: if you didn't get disconnected, and only saw lag, I'm pretty impressed actually ;) my whole main transit can die and customers stay up, w00t sroute: Wasn't disconnected. Cool.
i.e. tty still connected from Friday Fri10PM 9:36 tail -n 40 - ...... ***: BarberRonny has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: sroute: awesome sroute: I might not have noted but was editing some code in vim remotely. One bad thing though... nc__: up_the_irons: hey i send you an email sroute: the issue was resolved too quickly for me to decide to get some sleep instead so I ended up doing an all-nighter. lol up_the_irons: sroute: lol jeev: i wish i could code. up_the_irons: nc__: roger sroute: jeev: you can, but you have to start somehwere. Use ruby or python and you'll get there. jeev: ha
i'm impatient and lazy. good luck sroute: So is anyone running FreeBSD 8 on a VM as yet? jeev: i can try it now on a local box sroute: I'm impatient and prone to distraction which is why I do an awful lot of work in Python; let's me get things done quickly before I run out of steam or focus. ;-) jeev: charter has 60 megs for 89/month rigt now
but charter sucks nc__: jeev: sroute gives good advice... python (even moreso with ruby i would say) syntax is really simple and gives you a nice place to start learning the logic part of programming sroute: And ruby is the same. Just pick whichever fits your brain better and stick with it. eventually you'll get there. nc__: jeev: once you get a grip on the logic part of it, you can learn any other language you'd like, and just use the proper syntax to match the logic of whatever you're trying to write jeev: yea i know
but you dont know me, if i get 5 lines down, i'll set a goal to make something amazing, like to take over the world
with printf capabilities only nc__: haha
sounds just like me when i started :pPPPPp sroute: nc__: absolutely... I have no reservations about recommending Ruby either; I like to push new folks to both Ruby and Python because the syntax of one or the other usually does feel more comfortable, especially to a newbie. nc__: yeah for sure
i like python a lot sroute: jeev: my code is running the world already... it's only about 20 lines of Python. Not well tested. Prone to bugs. jeev: bastage sroute: and crashes.
here's a simpler example: class RuleTheWorld: pass jeev: my friend has a system that keeps shutting off, randomly
where do i even begin to check what that is ? it's not thermal
i'm guessing it could be th epower supply ***: vtoms has joined #arpnetworks nc__: heheh sroute: ok, wasn't that funny. Shutting off randomly? Could even be a disk failing - I've seen that. What OS? ***: vtoms has quit IRC (Client Quit) jeev: doze. raid 1 sroute: hmnn. ***: ballen|away is now known as ballen BarberRonny: ttyl ***: BarberRonny has quit IRC ("leaving") jeev: shit, they're SAS drives
i cant put it in my thermaltake blacx ***: ballen is now known as ballen|away jeev: i had the drives unplugged and before connecting the monitor
when i turned it on, it was turning on and off, i can hear it.. like almost like popping ***: ballen|away is now known as ballen
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I'm digging abbreviations. I knew of them, but didn't really get into 'em. The other stuff i pretty much knew already
mmm...
:ab rfc RFC
i'm liking that ***: ballen|away is now known as ballen
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ballen is now known as ballen|away up_the_irons: anyone tried Cucumber? http://cukes.info/
thoughts? ***: ballen|away is now known as ballen ballen: Have not mhoran: up_the_irons: Talk with mike-burns. Also, #thoughtbot. mike-burns: Hello.
#thoughtbot is empty for the holidays.
But we do extensive integration testing using Cucmber. I hated it at first and have now come to appreciate it.
Wow, this Edge connection I'm on is painfully slow. mhoran: mike-burns: No Wi-Fi on the train? up_the_irons: latest pic: http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/4134213531/
data center pr0n mhoran: Very nice.
Thanks for the fix. :) nc__: :( mhoran: Is that an unused RPS in the background?
Well, on the top? up_the_irons: lol
mhoran: it is indeed an RPS, and it's used
see there's 1 cable in slot 1 mhoran: Ah, I see now.
Oh, and a 2600? up_the_irons: damn you're good
yup, 2612
I use it as a console server, it has a NM-32A in it mhoran: Ah, perfect. up_the_irons: 32 serial ports mhoran: Yup.
We used to do the same thing at Cisco. up_the_irons: Loaded w/ IOS 12.3T, so I get SSH v2
ah cool mhoran: Although since the 2651XM was free, we used those instead. :p
The critical gear got 2800s. up_the_irons: ah nice mhoran: But yeah, the NM-32A is definitely handy.
Where's the switch hiding? up_the_irons: it sure is a lot of bang for you buck
it is higher up
a Cisco 4503
a hungry mother mhoran: Oh yeah.
No redundant power on that, though?
Or the 4503-E ...
(The E stuff is quite sexy.) up_the_irons: mhoran: definitely redundant power, that's why i had to go 4500 or higher; cisco basically don't make a 1/2U switch w/ redundant PS that isn't insanely expensive
mhoran: here's a pic from when i started that cab: http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/3293061085/in/photostream/
that's the 4503 in there mhoran: Ah, very nice.
Yeah, I was looking at the wrong doc.
Why does the Cisco site suck so much. up_the_irons: hehe mike-burns: mhoran: Couldn't find any wifi. I'm weak 3G now, though! mhoran: Woo! up_the_irons: cd $food jeev: gonna try 8.0
on my kvm at home ballen: let us know jeev: what do you want me to look for
just boot up?
i'll run a bench
installation is CRAWLING.
not sure if it's the hardware up_the_irons: so what's the deal with GCD
any good?
wth
x = ^{ printf("hello worldn"); }
is that actually valid C syntax? (the caret there)
for those interested, i'm reading http://images.apple.com/macosx/technology/docs/GrandCentral_TB_brief_20090903.pdf
which has been ported to FreeBSD 8 mhoran: Probably an extension?
There's some extension I was reading about the other day that uses a carat. up_the_irons: "libdispatch works fine with gcc as shipped with FreeBSD for the function-centric interface dispatch APIs, but to use C Blocks you will need to build with clang -fblocks. Currently, clang does not support C++, so you are limited to using either C++ or blocks in a single source file"
so i guess it is "-fblocks" mhoran: Yeah. up_the_irons: but what is "clang"? ***: ballen is now known as ballen|away up_the_irons: just the C version of GCC? mhoran: Must be.
Yup, the caret is a block (closure).
Interesting.
Cool. up_the_irons: closure's in C, whoa mike-burns: Isn't clang a C compiler? mhoran: It sure is! mike-burns: I thought the C Block was a lambda. mhoran: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clang nc__: up_the_irons: i don't think that's valid C syntax, i think it's part of the extension mhoran: Yeah, GCD require LLVM, and clang is the compiler for LLVM.
And these all plug in to gcc. mike-burns: I had no idea clang workd with gcc. mhoran: I think LLVM plugs in to gcc and Clang sits on top of LLVM. up_the_irons: oh i c
i've only looked at LLVM briefly
in fact right now i don't even remember what it was... mike-burns: I seem to remember some *BSD people wanting to replace gcc with clang, due to the loicense. mhoran: That's what the Wikipedia article says.
Well I have no idea how this whole thing works. up_the_irons: yeah i see the article says clang's goal is to replace gcc
but why? mhoran: Clang definitely sits on top of LLVM, but I thought the LLVM article says it uses GCC.
Well if multiple languages compile down to LLVM as an intermediate language, that would be nice ...
Clang doesn't compile down to assembly. mike-burns: LLVM is an increasingly-popular compiler target. mhoran: ^^ that. mike-burns: ghc is trying to move to it, for example. mhoran: Interesting. up_the_irons: i c
why is llvm becoming a popular compiler target?
it just does the backend plumbing better? mike-burns: Yeah, basically. Itls low enough to compie to, but hoigh enough to not be a pain. mhoran: That seems to be it. mike-burns: Good corporate backing and lots of tools too. mhoran: Yeah, with Apple behind it ...
People seem to be working on compiling Python and Ruby to it as well. mike-burns: (That said, this is only what I overhear. I don't actually know anything.) mhoran: Man, there are some horrible shows on TV ... up_the_irons: i think you're right, i'm reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Level_Virtual_Machine ***: ballen|away is now known as ballen mhoran: I don't understand the difference between http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Illinois/NCSA_Open_Source_License and the BSD license? prowl: up_the_irons: is it normal for the VPS to maintain a .07 -.09 load avg from a default installation of obsd? ***: greg_dolley has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: prowl: yup
netbsd does the same thing, in Xen
i never quite found out why prowl: I'm not complaining, just honestly curious. :) nc__: :( up_the_irons: there's some doc i read a while back that i think explained it... prowl: Well then I feel better that it is normal. greg_dolley: @up_the_irons: dude, u r #1 on google! up_the_irons: greg_dolley: you know it greg_dolley: @up_the_irons: when I search for "openbsd vps"
lol up_the_irons: prowl: one of my openbsd vps's: load averages: 0.11, 0.09, 0.08
greg_dolley: i'm just that cool greg_dolley: hehehehe nc__: hehehe prowl: .07 .08 .08, tops at .09 generally. jeev: booted up just fine
8.0 up_the_irons: nice jeev: give it about ten minutes, bneching it
System -- FreeBSD vps1.booger 8.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE #0: Sat Nov 21 15:02:08 UTC 2009 root@mason.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64
/dev/ad0s1a 9135182 1441354 6963014 17% /
FINAL SCORE 79.3
the other day 7.2 scored 10 points higher
heh
the 7.2 is takin 200% cpu ***: Thorgrimr has quit IRC (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
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i have been using virtualbox a whole lot lately jeev: i hate virtualbox nc__: really? why? jeev: you guys do soft updates on your bsd vm ?
nc__ dunno, i hate a lot of things randomly nc__: ah
hehe
perhaps it's just the operating system.. it runs well on osx here for me jeev: i just wish i could minimize the damn thing to taskbar
well, installing agin
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irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o up_the_irons sroute: up_the_irons: we should get you to be #1 on Google for 'freebsd vps' now.
I feel a testimonial coming on.
can you write it for me? (just kidding)
Slightly funny but true story, when I think of Garry's name, I get a little giggle. One of the volunteer organizations I do a ton of work with has a husband and wife team that I quite often work alongside with. here's the odd bit, their first names:
Garry + Dolly
Pretty close, huh? ***: mike-burns has quit IRC (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
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irc.freenode.net sets mode: +ooo up_the_irons ballen mike-burns
nuke^ has joined #arpnetworks sroute: Let me know if I
... if I have mis-spoken in any way: http://mikewatkins.ca/2009/11/26/freebsd-vps/ jeev: crazy ballen: looks good to me
one of these days I'll do a review as well
with pictures! sroute: pictures???? curious! ballen: screenshots I suppose nc__: me too
gotta wait for my vm to be setup first jeev: ballen
8.0 boots fine ballen: cool jeev: trying to compare 7.2 to this ballen: I've been running RC for a while, not on ARP though nc__: how does obsd24 run on arp? ballen: 2.4? nc__: err
sorry
4.5 ballen: heh jeev: ask toddf
he's the openbsd dev nc__: toddf: hey you around? ***: heavysixer has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
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greg_dolley has quit IRC () up_the_irons: sroute: LOL, that *is* pretty close ;) nc__: ;( up_the_irons: that'd be awesome if I could get to #1 for 'freebsd vps', but I think rootbsd.net has a strong hold on that slot ;) nc__: ;( up_the_irons: ooh, testimonial... -: up_the_irons reads ballen: I think nc__ wants something? jeev: http://www.rootbsd.net/images/img-testimonials1.jpg nc__: ballen: sorry jeev: is root bsd implying that they run a power plant? nc__: ballen: it's my disagree script
lol ballen: lol nc__: jeev: haha ballen: jeev: I'd say so
I hate stock photos sooo much
if you ever are selling anything
make sure your damn photos don't look like stock photos nc__: hehe
it makes you look unprofessional
in my opinion ballen: or make your stock photo of hot office women nc__: showing a lot of cleavage ballen: yes jeev: yea
or goatsecx nc__: lol ballen: no nc__: click here to enter !
lol ballen: http://www.stockphotofail.com/ up_the_irons: nc__: you haven't got your VPS yet? I do have some in the queue, didn't know any of those were in here ;) nc__: ;(
up_the_irons: nope :p
i'll turn off my disagree script if thats annoying btw lol ballen: http://www.stockphotofail.com/2009/05/18/bikini-fail/
gawd damn nc__: ahaha iwas just looking at that one ballen up_the_irons: i hate stock photos too
my site is photo-less ballen: http://www.stockphotofail.com/2009/03/29/fuzzy-fail/ up_the_irons: although i do want to take my wife's expensive Nikon to the data center and take some real nice pics
then put them on the site ballen: there ya go up_the_irons: IPv6 routing table is now about 2200 routes.. i remember when it was 900 ballen: oh those were the days up_the_irons: sroute: that's a really nice blog post / testimonial. I really appreciate it! -: up_the_irons goes off to provision some VMs jeev: nc__, i just got a sudden vision
that you're going to get your vps soon nc__: jeev: me too!
hehe jeev: we must share the same brain nc__: perhaps we have developed some sort of telepathic connection jeev: since we have some sort of connection, that binds you to code for me
free.
unrestricted. nc__: haha
good luck i cant even get myself to code for me ***: mick_laptop has joined #arpnetworks mick_laptop: how long does it take to get a vps after ordering?
usually* ballen: depends on when you order it up_the_irons: mick_laptop: usually within 24 hours; all provisioning occurs at night (PST). But I happen to be provisioning orders now, so if you order now you'll get it within a few hours mick_laptop: thanks for the info :) nc__: :( mick_laptop: also does the special only apply to *BSD? (I wanted to order a Debian vps) up_the_irons: nc__ disagrees to everything nc__: haha up_the_irons: mick_laptop: you can order Debian and still get the special mick_laptop: ah ok - cool nc__: http://gruntle.org/projects/irssi/disagree.pl
hehe up_the_irons: does nc__ like ice cream? :) nc__: :( up_the_irons: LOL nc__: lol ballen: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/11/large_hadron_collider_ready_to.html up_the_irons: nc__: why are you sad all the time? :) nc__: :( up_the_irons: :) nc__: :( up_the_irons: :):):) nc__: gah you tricked it
lolol up_the_irons: :) :) nc__: :( up_the_irons: ok, gotta space 'em out nc__: xD
ballen: they already did it and got collisions :o ballen: yea just showing pretty pictures nc__: i like the one showing the burnt cables
and scorched pipe
thats cool ballen: its all super freaken cool, one of the years I hope to working in an environment dealing with that much data nc__: just looking at that hardware is mind blowing ballen: ugh... I need to get out more and take more photos up_the_irons: did they find the higgs yet? ballen: maybe
who knows nc__: i need a friging hobby ballen: its not really a definitive thing when it happens nc__: maybe photography would be a nice hobby
there's a lot of stuff to take pictures of in boston ballen: nc__ it can be expensive
if you're gear centric like I am nc__: yeah for sure, especially if you want quality hardware ballen: up_the_irons: from my understanding they can determine if they find the higgs based on statistical analyses of data over time
basically it'll be a blip on the line graph
http://www.green500.org/lists/2009/11/top/list.php?from=1&to=100
impressed that Roadrunner (#6) is that high on good power consumption jeev: my 7.2 scores 100 on the benchmark, 8.0 scores 80
pissing me off. ballen: suck it Oak Ridge (Jaguar Claws @ #44) but 1st on TOP5000
TOP500* up_the_irons: i c ballen: 6.9KW jebus ***: nerdd_ has joined #arpnetworks jeev: robin thicke's wife on leno is pretty sexy
a little thick but she was hot in that one video ballen: http://blog.aparicio.org/2009/11/24/operations-magic-cure-nightly-server-restarts/
not a fan ***: nerdd has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) up_the_irons: srsly ballen: kill for a latte right now
feck all the damn local cafes are going to be closed tomorrow up_the_irons: heh ballen: already packed and shipped my espresso machine and grinder
... all I have left is my french press up_the_irons: the french press can do wonders ballen: true nc__: up_the_irons: thanks :) up_the_irons: nc__: :) nc__: :( up_the_irons: don't be sad nc__: hahah ***: nerdd has joined #arpnetworks
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