[00:00] *** obsidieth has joined #arpnetworks [00:10] *** obsidiet1 has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [01:02] *** RonnyBarber is now known as BarberRonny [01:58] *** hycer_ has quit IRC ("leaving") [03:07] up_the_irons: are you around Garry? [03:09] just noting very sluggish response, 3:10 am pacific. I'm sure I've been working on the box at these hours before ;-) and not noted that; thought for a moment it was my software (!) but no. Just an FYI in case it is something you aren't aware of. [03:11] hmnn, it's back now. [05:46] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [06:33] *** Nat_UB has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [07:51] *** heavysixer_ has joined #arpnetworks [07:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer_ [07:53] *** Nat_UB has joined #arpnetworks [08:01] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [08:01] *** heavysixer_ is now known as heavysixer [08:58] *** vtoms has left [09:10] *** baklava has quit IRC (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) [09:10] *** baklava has joined #arpnetworks [09:24] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [09:47] *** ballen has joined #arpnetworks [09:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ballen [10:12] *** vtoms has quit IRC ("Leaving.") [10:16] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [10:22] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [10:29] i forgot, why can't we install 8.0 bsd ? [10:29] hasn't been tested yet [10:29] ah [10:29] so do a inplace upgrade and let me konw how it goes [10:30] know [10:30] i'll try it on my own kvm box here [10:30] 8.0 iso has been out two days, updating shows 112509 as the release date, nothing announced yet [10:30] yea [10:30] 8.0 isn't out yet. [10:30] yea it is [10:30] just not announced [10:30] get it from torrents [10:31] i'm seeding that shiet [10:31] http://torrents.freebsd.org:8080/ [10:31] is it out! [10:32] lol need to follow the right people on the twitters [10:32] jeebus i hate twitter [10:32] me too [10:32] Now I don't know what it means for software to be released. [10:32] loves twitter [10:32] its not announced yet. [10:32] mainpage still says rc3 [10:33] i guess they wait a day till the mirrors catchup [10:33] yea but on the installation or if you cvsup.. you can see 112509 for 8.0-release in /usr/src/UPDATING [10:33] whats the best way to update from 7.2 ?? freebsd-upgrade or just cvsup ? [10:33] and likely making sure there is no massive bugs [10:33] freebsd-upgrade [10:34] i never tried that [10:34] by far a better wa [10:34] y [10:34] k [10:34] i just have 25mb left in / [10:34] hope it doesnt conflict [10:34] that might be an issue [10:34] well its how the vps was installed.. [10:34] yea i'm annoyed i didn't request just a single slice / [10:34] 512mb in / and i updated a kernel (so kernel+kernel.old=almost 512) [10:35] so remove kernel.old [10:35] /dev/ad0s1a 496M 421M 35M 92% / [10:35] same here [10:35] yes [10:35] shut be alright [10:35] also make sure /root is cleaned up [10:35] good point, but i only use /usr [10:36] yea [10:36] oh man can't wait until fbsd8 rel is out officially [10:36] I'd consider it officially out [10:36] the FreeBSD security officer announced to seed it on Twitter [10:37] Link? [10:38] one sec [10:38] https://twitter.com/cperciva/statuses/6009698830 [10:39] Hot. [10:39] Also related to why its not announced yet: https://twitter.com/cperciva/statuses/5974910827 [10:40] he's the guy that wrote freebsd-update btw [10:41] hm i wonder where freebsd-upgrade is on my system now! [10:42] freebsd-update [10:42] ah [10:42] freebsd-update -r 8.0-RELEASE upgrade; freebsd-update install; reboot; freebsd-update install; reboot; [10:46] maybe first try fetch? [10:47] sroute: yeah, i got an alert around that time [10:48] sroute: haven't had time to investigate; i suspect main transit may have dropped bgp session and backup took over (during the transition, packet loss will occur as bgp tables converge around the world) [10:48] BarberRonny: http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2009-07-11-freebsd-update-to-8.0-beta1.html [10:48] thx ballen [10:48] replace 8.0-BETA1 with 8.0-RELEASE [10:49] yes [10:49] is it already on update.freebsd.org, the -rel? [10:50] should be [10:50] I think it was there first [10:54] ballen: thanks for the update cheat sheet [10:54] np [10:54] i might upgrade my personal freebsd vm [10:55] yea let me know how it goes [10:55] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [10:57] will do [11:16] *** coil has quit IRC (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [11:17] *** coil has joined #arpnetworks [11:25] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [11:27] *** vtoms has quit IRC (Client Quit) [11:27] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [11:53] *** nc__ has joined #arpnetworks [12:04] *** obsidiet1 has joined #arpnetworks [12:05] *** obsidieth has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [12:14] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [12:19] *** vtoms has quit IRC ("Leaving.") [12:26] up_the_irons: I figured it was transit related; nothing running on my VM was affected. [12:27] *** Thorgrimr has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [12:27] *** Thorgrimr has joined #arpnetworks [12:28] sroute: roger [12:29] blah, i'm trying to make openvpn work :/ [12:29] Up/Down: 12:39:11 [12:29] well it works, i can connect, but i want all traffic to go out on the vpn, that isn't working [12:29] yup, bgp session reset 12 hours and 39 minutes ago [12:29] dns specifically [12:29] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [12:31] damn man i got a sick quote for space in LA [12:31] it's a little more expensive than a place i'm at but it's 3k miles closer [12:31] i can't do a 40 server move properly [12:31] so i can't take it [12:33] jeev: there's lots of cheap space in LA, but it is indeed "cheap" [12:33] no, the amount of bandwidth, cage space, power and ips are great.. at level3 in tustin [12:35] *** BarberRonny has quit IRC ("reboot") [12:37] sroute: indeed at 1:10 AM PST I got this: EMERGENCY NOTICE: Backbone Instability and software downgrade (ticket #340065) [12:37] sroute: so they downgraded and the session bounced [12:38] sroute: if you didn't get disconnected, and only saw lag, I'm pretty impressed actually ;) my whole main transit can die and customers stay up, w00t [12:40] Wasn't disconnected. Cool. [12:42] i.e. tty still connected from Friday Fri10PM 9:36 tail -n 40 - ...... [12:42] *** BarberRonny has joined #arpnetworks [12:43] sroute: awesome [12:43] I might not have noted but was editing some code in vim remotely. One bad thing though... [12:44] up_the_irons: hey i send you an email [12:44] the issue was resolved too quickly for me to decide to get some sleep instead so I ended up doing an all-nighter. lol [12:44] sroute: lol [12:44] i wish i could code. [12:44] nc__: roger [12:45] jeev: you can, but you have to start somehwere. Use ruby or python and you'll get there. [12:45] ha [12:45] i'm impatient and lazy. good luck [12:45] So is anyone running FreeBSD 8 on a VM as yet? [12:46] i can try it now on a local box [12:46] I'm impatient and prone to distraction which is why I do an awful lot of work in Python; let's me get things done quickly before I run out of steam or focus. ;-) [12:47] charter has 60 megs for 89/month rigt now [12:47] but charter sucks [12:47] jeev: sroute gives good advice... python (even moreso with ruby i would say) syntax is really simple and gives you a nice place to start learning the logic part of programming [12:47] And ruby is the same. Just pick whichever fits your brain better and stick with it. eventually you'll get there. [12:47] jeev: once you get a grip on the logic part of it, you can learn any other language you'd like, and just use the proper syntax to match the logic of whatever you're trying to write [12:48] yea i know [12:48] but you dont know me, if i get 5 lines down, i'll set a goal to make something amazing, like to take over the world [12:48] with printf capabilities only [12:48] haha [12:48] sounds just like me when i started :pPPPPp [12:48] nc__: absolutely... I have no reservations about recommending Ruby either; I like to push new folks to both Ruby and Python because the syntax of one or the other usually does feel more comfortable, especially to a newbie. [12:49] yeah for sure [12:49] i like python a lot [12:49] jeev: my code is running the world already... it's only about 20 lines of Python. Not well tested. Prone to bugs. [12:49] bastage [12:49] and crashes. [12:50] here's a simpler example: class RuleTheWorld: pass [12:51] my friend has a system that keeps shutting off, randomly [12:51] where do i even begin to check what that is ? it's not thermal [12:51] i'm guessing it could be th epower supply [12:51] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [12:51] heheh [12:51] ok, wasn't that funny. Shutting off randomly? Could even be a disk failing - I've seen that. What OS? [12:52] *** vtoms has quit IRC (Client Quit) [12:52] doze. raid 1 [12:52] hmnn. [13:07] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [13:11] ttyl [13:11] *** BarberRonny has quit IRC ("leaving") [13:26] shit, they're SAS drives [13:26] i cant put it in my thermaltake blacx [13:38] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [13:42] i had the drives unplugged and before connecting the monitor [13:42] when i turned it on, it was turning on and off, i can hear it.. like almost like popping [13:48] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [14:05] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [14:27] *** coil has quit IRC (Excess Flood) [14:28] *** coil has joined #arpnetworks [14:31] this ain't bad: http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/243002-vim-201-an-intermediate-guide-to-vim [14:31] I'm digging abbreviations. I knew of them, but didn't really get into 'em. The other stuff i pretty much knew already [14:33] mmm... [14:33] :ab rfc RFC [14:33] i'm liking that [14:43] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [14:45] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [14:45] *** vtoms has quit IRC (Client Quit) [15:04] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [15:26] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [15:36] *** visinin has joined #arpnetworks [15:41] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [15:56] anyone tried Cucumber? http://cukes.info/ [15:56] thoughts? [15:58] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [15:59] Have not [16:22] up_the_irons: Talk with mike-burns. Also, #thoughtbot. [16:23] Hello. [16:23] #thoughtbot is empty for the holidays. [16:24] But we do extensive integration testing using Cucmber. I hated it at first and have now come to appreciate it. [16:24] Wow, this Edge connection I'm on is painfully slow. [16:38] mike-burns: No Wi-Fi on the train? [16:45] latest pic: http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/4134213531/ [16:45] data center pr0n [16:45] Very nice. [16:45] Thanks for the fix. :) [16:45] :( [16:45] Is that an unused RPS in the background? [16:45] Well, on the top? [16:45] lol [16:46] mhoran: it is indeed an RPS, and it's used [16:46] see there's 1 cable in slot 1 [16:46] Ah, I see now. [16:46] Oh, and a 2600? [16:47] damn you're good [16:47] yup, 2612 [16:47] I use it as a console server, it has a NM-32A in it [16:47] Ah, perfect. [16:47] 32 serial ports [16:47] Yup. [16:47] We used to do the same thing at Cisco. [16:47] Loaded w/ IOS 12.3T, so I get SSH v2 [16:47] ah cool [16:47] Although since the 2651XM was free, we used those instead. :p [16:47] The critical gear got 2800s. [16:47] ah nice [16:48] But yeah, the NM-32A is definitely handy. [16:48] Where's the switch hiding? [16:48] it sure is a lot of bang for you buck [16:49] it is higher up [16:49] a Cisco 4503 [16:49] a hungry mother [16:49] Oh yeah. [16:50] No redundant power on that, though? [16:51] Or the 4503-E ... [16:51] (The E stuff is quite sexy.) [16:52] mhoran: definitely redundant power, that's why i had to go 4500 or higher; cisco basically don't make a 1/2U switch w/ redundant PS that isn't insanely expensive [16:52] mhoran: here's a pic from when i started that cab: http://www.flickr.com/photos/51184165@N00/3293061085/in/photostream/ [16:52] that's the 4503 in there [16:52] Ah, very nice. [16:54] Yeah, I was looking at the wrong doc. [16:54] Why does the Cisco site suck so much. [16:54] hehe [16:57] mhoran: Couldn't find any wifi. I'm weak 3G now, though! [16:57] Woo! [16:57] cd $food [17:13] gonna try 8.0 [17:13] on my kvm at home [17:15] let us know [17:20] what do you want me to look for [17:20] just boot up? [17:20] i'll run a bench [17:27] installation is CRAWLING. [17:27] not sure if it's the hardware [17:36] so what's the deal with GCD [17:36] any good? [17:37] wth [17:37] x = ^{ printf("hello world\n"); } [17:37] is that actually valid C syntax? (the caret there) [17:39] for those interested, i'm reading http://images.apple.com/macosx/technology/docs/GrandCentral_TB_brief_20090903.pdf [17:39] which has been ported to FreeBSD 8 [17:39] Probably an extension? [17:40] There's some extension I was reading about the other day that uses a carat. [17:40] "libdispatch works fine with gcc as shipped with FreeBSD for the function-centric interface dispatch APIs, but to use C Blocks you will need to build with clang -fblocks. Currently, clang does not support C++, so you are limited to using either C++ or blocks in a single source file" [17:40] so i guess it is "-fblocks" [17:40] Yeah. [17:40] but what is "clang"? [17:41] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [17:41] just the C version of GCC? [17:41] Must be. [17:42] Yup, the caret is a block (closure). [17:42] Interesting. [17:42] Cool. [17:43] closure's in C, whoa [17:43] Isn't clang a C compiler? [17:43] It sure is! [17:43] I thought the C Block was a lambda. [17:43] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clang [17:43] up_the_irons: i don't think that's valid C syntax, i think it's part of the extension [17:45] Yeah, GCD require LLVM, and clang is the compiler for LLVM. [17:46] And these all plug in to gcc. [17:47] I had no idea clang workd with gcc. [17:47] I think LLVM plugs in to gcc and Clang sits on top of LLVM. [17:51] oh i c [17:51] i've only looked at LLVM briefly [17:51] in fact right now i don't even remember what it was... [17:51] I seem to remember some *BSD people wanting to replace gcc with clang, due to the loicense. [17:52] That's what the Wikipedia article says. [17:52] Well I have no idea how this whole thing works. [17:52] yeah i see the article says clang's goal is to replace gcc [17:53] but why? [17:53] Clang definitely sits on top of LLVM, but I thought the LLVM article says it uses GCC. [17:53] Well if multiple languages compile down to LLVM as an intermediate language, that would be nice ... [17:53] Clang doesn't compile down to assembly. [17:53] LLVM is an increasingly-popular compiler target. [17:53] ^^ that. [17:54] ghc is trying to move to it, for example. [17:54] Interesting. [17:54] i c [17:54] why is llvm becoming a popular compiler target? [17:55] it just does the backend plumbing better? [17:55] Yeah, basically. Itls low enough to compie to, but hoigh enough to not be a pain. [17:56] That seems to be it. [17:56] Good corporate backing and lots of tools too. [17:56] Yeah, with Apple behind it ... [17:56] People seem to be working on compiling Python and Ruby to it as well. [17:57] (That said, this is only what I overhear. I don't actually know anything.) [17:58] Man, there are some horrible shows on TV ... [17:58] i think you're right, i'm reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Level_Virtual_Machine [17:58] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [18:01] I don't understand the difference between http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Illinois/NCSA_Open_Source_License and the BSD license? [18:02] up_the_irons: is it normal for the VPS to maintain a .07 -.09 load avg from a default installation of obsd? [18:02] *** greg_dolley has joined #arpnetworks [18:03] prowl: yup [18:03] netbsd does the same thing, in Xen [18:03] i never quite found out why [18:03] I'm not complaining, just honestly curious. :) [18:03] :( [18:03] there's some doc i read a while back that i think explained it... [18:03] Well then I feel better that it is normal. [18:04] @up_the_irons: dude, u r #1 on google! [18:04] greg_dolley: you know it [18:04] @up_the_irons: when I search for "openbsd vps" [18:04] lol [18:04] prowl: one of my openbsd vps's: load averages: 0.11, 0.09, 0.08 [18:04] greg_dolley: i'm just that cool [18:05] hehehehe [18:05] hehehe [18:05] .07 .08 .08, tops at .09 generally. [18:05] booted up just fine [18:05] 8.0 [18:05] nice [18:07] give it about ten minutes, bneching it [18:27] System -- FreeBSD vps1.booger 8.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE #0: Sat Nov 21 15:02:08 UTC 2009 root@mason.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 [18:27] /dev/ad0s1a 9135182 1441354 6963014 17% / [18:27] FINAL SCORE 79.3 [18:27] the other day 7.2 scored 10 points higher [18:34] heh [18:34] the 7.2 is takin 200% cpu [18:39] *** Thorgrimr has quit IRC (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [18:39] *** Nat_UB has quit IRC (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [18:39] *** nuke` has quit IRC (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [18:39] *** vxp has quit IRC (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [18:39] *** up_the_irons has quit IRC (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [18:39] *** jester1 has quit IRC (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [18:40] i've gotta stop using stupid qcow and just use raw [18:45] hehe [18:45] i have been using virtualbox a whole lot lately [18:45] i hate virtualbox [18:45] really? why? [18:46] you guys do soft updates on your bsd vm ? [18:46] nc__ dunno, i hate a lot of things randomly [18:46] ah [18:46] hehe [18:46] perhaps it's just the operating system.. it runs well on osx here for me [18:47] i just wish i could minimize the damn thing to taskbar [18:48] well, installing agin [18:48] again, bbiab [18:54] *** blueshoes has joined #arpnetworks [19:05] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [19:10] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [19:12] *** up_the_irons has joined #arpnetworks [19:12] *** Thorgrimr has joined #arpnetworks [19:12] *** Nat_UB has joined #arpnetworks [19:12] *** vxp has joined #arpnetworks [19:12] *** nuke` has joined #arpnetworks [19:12] *** jester1 has joined #arpnetworks [19:12] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o up_the_irons [19:15] up_the_irons: we should get you to be #1 on Google for 'freebsd vps' now. [19:15] I feel a testimonial coming on. [19:15] can you write it for me? (just kidding) [19:20] Slightly funny but true story, when I think of Garry's name, I get a little giggle. One of the volunteer organizations I do a ton of work with has a husband and wife team that I quite often work alongside with. here's the odd bit, their first names: [19:20] Garry + Dolly [19:20] Pretty close, huh? [19:36] *** mike-burns has quit IRC (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [19:36] *** obsidiet1 has quit IRC (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [19:36] *** ballen has quit IRC (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [19:36] *** nuke` has quit IRC (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [19:36] *** vxp has quit IRC (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [19:36] *** Nat_UB has quit IRC (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [19:36] *** Thorgrimr has quit IRC (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [19:36] *** up_the_irons has quit IRC (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [19:36] *** jester1 has quit IRC (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [19:36] *** greg_dolley has quit IRC (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [19:36] *** nerdd has quit IRC (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [19:36] *** nuke^ is now known as nuke [19:37] *** nuke has quit IRC (Killed by douglas.freenode.net (Nick collision)) [19:37] *** up_the_irons has joined #arpnetworks [19:37] *** jester1 has joined #arpnetworks [19:37] *** nuke` has joined #arpnetworks [19:37] *** vxp has joined #arpnetworks [19:37] *** Nat_UB has joined #arpnetworks [19:37] *** Thorgrimr has joined #arpnetworks [19:37] *** greg_dolley has joined #arpnetworks [19:37] *** obsidiet1 has joined #arpnetworks [19:37] *** ballen has joined #arpnetworks [19:37] *** nerdd has joined #arpnetworks [19:37] *** mike-burns has joined #arpnetworks [19:37] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +ooo up_the_irons ballen mike-burns [19:38] *** nuke^ has joined #arpnetworks [20:03] Let me know if I [20:03] ... if I have mis-spoken in any way: http://mikewatkins.ca/2009/11/26/freebsd-vps/ [20:05] crazy [20:07] looks good to me [20:07] one of these days I'll do a review as well [20:08] with pictures! [20:16] pictures???? curious! [20:20] screenshots I suppose [20:34] me too [20:34] gotta wait for my vm to be setup first [20:36] ballen [20:36] 8.0 boots fine [20:36] cool [20:36] trying to compare 7.2 to this [20:37] I've been running RC for a while, not on ARP though [20:37] how does obsd24 run on arp? [20:37] 2.4? [20:37] err [20:37] sorry [20:37] 4.5 [20:37] heh [20:37] ask toddf [20:37] he's the openbsd dev [20:38] toddf: hey you around? [20:56] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [20:56] *** heavysixer_ has joined #arpnetworks [20:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer_ [20:57] *** heavysixer_ is now known as heavysixer [21:18] *** greg_dolley has quit IRC () [21:28] sroute: LOL, that *is* pretty close ;) [21:28] ;( [21:30] that'd be awesome if I could get to #1 for 'freebsd vps', but I think rootbsd.net has a strong hold on that slot ;) [21:30] ;( [21:30] ooh, testimonial... [21:30] * up_the_irons reads [21:31] I think nc__ wants something? [21:31] http://www.rootbsd.net/images/img-testimonials1.jpg [21:31] ballen: sorry [21:31] is root bsd implying that they run a power plant? [21:31] ballen: it's my disagree script [21:31] lol [21:31] lol [21:31] jeev: haha [21:31] jeev: I'd say so [21:31] I hate stock photos sooo much [21:32] if you ever are selling anything [21:32] make sure your damn photos don't look like stock photos [21:32] hehe [21:32] it makes you look unprofessional [21:32] in my opinion [21:32] or make your stock photo of hot office women [21:33] showing a lot of cleavage [21:33] yes [21:33] yea [21:33] or goatsecx [21:33] lol [21:33] no [21:33] click here to enter ! [21:33] lol [21:34] http://www.stockphotofail.com/ [21:35] nc__: you haven't got your VPS yet? I do have some in the queue, didn't know any of those were in here ;) [21:35] ;( [21:35] up_the_irons: nope :p [21:35] i'll turn off my disagree script if thats annoying btw lol [21:36] http://www.stockphotofail.com/2009/05/18/bikini-fail/ [21:36] gawd damn [21:36] ahaha iwas just looking at that one ballen [21:37] i hate stock photos too [21:37] my site is photo-less [21:37] http://www.stockphotofail.com/2009/03/29/fuzzy-fail/ [21:37] although i do want to take my wife's expensive Nikon to the data center and take some real nice pics [21:37] then put them on the site [21:38] there ya go [21:38] IPv6 routing table is now about 2200 routes.. i remember when it was 900 [21:39] oh those were the days [21:40] sroute: that's a really nice blog post / testimonial. I really appreciate it! [21:41] * up_the_irons goes off to provision some VMs [21:43] nc__, i just got a sudden vision [21:43] that you're going to get your vps soon [21:43] jeev: me too! [21:43] hehe [21:43] we must share the same brain [21:44] perhaps we have developed some sort of telepathic connection [21:44] since we have some sort of connection, that binds you to code for me [21:44] free. [21:44] unrestricted. [21:45] haha [21:45] good luck i cant even get myself to code for me [22:01] *** mick_laptop has joined #arpnetworks [22:01] how long does it take to get a vps after ordering? [22:01] usually* [22:02] depends on when you order it [22:02] mick_laptop: usually within 24 hours; all provisioning occurs at night (PST). But I happen to be provisioning orders now, so if you order now you'll get it within a few hours [22:03] thanks for the info :) [22:03] :( [22:04] also does the special only apply to *BSD? (I wanted to order a Debian vps) [22:04] nc__ disagrees to everything [22:04] haha [22:05] mick_laptop: you can order Debian and still get the special [22:05] ah ok - cool [22:05] http://gruntle.org/projects/irssi/disagree.pl [22:05] hehe [22:05] does nc__ like ice cream? :) [22:05] :( [22:05] LOL [22:05]