gimme a /query up_the_irons when ya get a chance. thanks ") m5d: just incase you didn't know, support@ gets things done much more quicly than waiting for up_the_irons here.. and oftentimes that is the result of a query here when he is around as well .. thank you toddf cablehead: is that you Andy? any php'ers ? death to php :< i'm stuck with an array helppppppppppppppp! Use backticks to pipe it out to Ruby. heh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.freedaemon.com:/dellflash co dellflash