jeev: you seem to miss the point, after being whitelisted, if you regularly communicate with a mail server, no delays aka for people you communicate regularly with, a one time delay seems acceptable, to cut mail flow by up to 80% depeer the innanet any one know how many ipv4 addresses come in the topic package 1 All packages include a /30, which is essentially one IP. how much for extra 3 toddf, i'd show some interest i need to try it first. i thought a /31 was one ip and a /30 is 4 more like /32 well /31 being a 2 but one useable mhoran: just use v6, pleanty of extras there *grin* Yep. coil: /32 is 1 IP, /31 2, /30 4. However, /30 has two usable, one for the router, one for you. /32 and /31 cannot properly be used in routing. up_the_irons does proper CIDR routing, so that requires a /30 per customer. (The other two IPs are reserved, the first for network, last for broadcast.) so how much for extra ones :) djnaff, dont take my word for it. my assumption would be $1-$2/each/month, probably 1 you should wit a moment for up_the_irons to come by or maybe send an email to sales, maybe he has that going to his cell phone 5 IPs (/29 subnet, $4) ahh, it saays on his website too haha or 13 IPs (/28 subnet, $8) I believe up_the_irons only sells IP's in CIDR blocks not individually ty ballen: you're right, IPs are only sold in CIDR blocks; no funky diving out individual IPs from a large net and then firewalling off what you "shouldn't" see ya mhoran: you could actually do a /31 with static ARP entries (since no broadcast address exists) but I imagine I'd get tired of explaining that you could route individual IP's once the initial block is allocated as long as they set the netmask to all 1's no further config required toddf: sroute: I find your spam fighting techniques interesting just don't borrow 1and1 hosting's insane cisco based networking scheme `ip subnet zero' stuff a client of mine has a colo there toddf: but this would require customers to share a VLAN, no? toddf: ip subnet zero, LOL yeah that's funky stuff Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Mtu Prio Iface default 10.255.255.1 UGS 158 677002749 - 8 nfe0 10.255/16 link#1 UCLS 1 0 - 8 nfe0 10.255.255.1 00:00:0c:07:ac:00 UHLc 6 0 - 8 nfe0 then add aliases on nfe0 as netmask of all 1's !route add -llinfo -iface -net 10.255.0.0/16 10.255.255.1 -ifp nfe0 isn't that special toddf, i'd like to try your spamd shit thats a fun line to add to your hostname.nfe0 file but spamd is spamassassin, no? :D no not in OpenBSd jeev: spamd is the name of a daemon spamassassin runs, but /usr/libexec/spamd on OpenBSD is quite different OpenBSD spamd. ah yea i use freebsd. toddf: sroute: regarding spam fighting, any blog posts I can read? I use dspam currently, and it works quite well, but I'm always into finding better techniques. and dspam only works for my user (I've trained it), and I find asking customers to train theirs is futile up_the_irons: I use dspam myself, behind openbsd's spamd toddf: gotcha I guess I'll reformat the spamd man page myself, since the openbsd webserver took a hit and is just serving static pages for a bit (hardware hit for those with active imaginations) ah thought my papasmurf worked hahaha thats so 90s smurfing Greylisting is definitely an interesting technique, but I've never been able to get it to work well. I just don't get enough volume. :D GUess I just need to become more popular! i would love to greylist I have one customer who went from 900k mails an hour to 100k mails an hour or less toddf, is there a spamd for freebsd Incoming mail at work runs through SA before delivery, and that does a pretty decent job. jeev: Yes. As well as pf, of course. my postfix setup with rbl's and shit are awesome jeev: I have no idea, it would work with pf, easily, because of tables .. jeev: /usr/ports/mail/spamd SA is pretty decent but I hate the dependencies. Yup. I already needed perl for other things, so ... Hm. If I get rid of all my friends, I could ditch perl. But with no friends, I could never use spamd ... I don't see how I could win this one. As a long-time friend of yours I vote that you ditch Perl. $insert_your_favorite_cmdline_http_to_stdou_app http://todd.fries.net/pub/spamd.cat8 | less s/stdou/stdout/ Ah, that worked much better. :) sa's deps suck especially when upgraindg perl;l upgrading perl So with spamd, greylisting means that the first 10 seconds of a message delivery is stuttered? How does a sender go from whitelisted to blacklisted? (e.g. how do I mark sometihng as spam?) It's more than that. by re-connecting after 26 mins from the same ip from the same sender to the same recipient Well there we go. Saved me some typing! then the next connection bypasses spamd altogether and hits the mta directly My secondary MX runs spamd, which helps a lot. mike-burns: As does yours. mhoran: News to me! So spamd means that first-time senders will have a 26-minute delay on delivery? Yes. first time IP's there's a huge difference Indeed. Typically you purge the whitelist, too, which means if they don't mail you after some period of time, they get greylisted again. some postfix greylisting does it per sender address and per recipient as well So that's my problem -- people don't mail me often enough to keep them whitelisting. s/whitelisting/whitelisted. I have a list of manual over-rides, that never see spamd Well that purging doesn't make sense; if someone is whitelisted they should be whitelisted. ip renumbering Oh sure. you can always change the default from 31 days to 1024 days if anybody wants to play with stuttering hit any tcp port on 208.79.89.90 http://www.skytopia.com/project/fractal/mandelbulb.html Pretty. http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20090717041621 there's one person's adventure documented with spamd spamd makes sense on a busy server, but less sense on my personal VPS. I'm using Postgrey on my VPS and no other spam filtering catches almost everything much better then just using dspam alone postgrey sounds like it's for postfix ;D indeed but really it could be used with any mta ballen: depends entirely on what you're using the `personal' VPS for ballen: I'm using mine as an extension/backup/whatever makes sense .. of Free Daemon Hosting .. kindof like a slowly allocated cloud but not as expensive (if I had 1 system up for 1 month at amazon, for example, it'd be over $100) amazon's way expensive not if you get it for free jeev: how would I get a vm at amazon for free??? hey, i said not if you get it for free, i didn't say that i do ;) sup hi hows things Excellent. right on why couldn't everyghint just remain 800x600 so we wouldn't have to worry about formatting why would you want a shity screen resolution or am i just missing it tired of html struggles ;D :) maybe you'd be interested.. what you mean i need to get a hold of some people who want palin to become president and just beat them haha ill vote for you but i dont even know who palin is sarah palin, the moron ex governor of alaska the one americans say "we can relate, vote for her!" hahaahaha oh my god i need to stop caring about the public ahh my little cousin is friends with the kid from two and a half men, i asked him to get me charlie sheen's email address so i can email him about his 9/11 thingies he speaks out about