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| toddf | jeev: you seem to miss the point, after being whitelisted, if you regularly communicate with a mail server, no delays
aka for people you communicate regularly with, a one time delay seems acceptable, to cut mail flow by up to 80% | [06:29] |
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| vxp | depeer the innanet | [06:47] |
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| djnaff | any one know how many ipv4 addresses come in the topic package | [09:16] |
| mhoran | 1
All packages include a /30, which is essentially one IP. | [09:22] |
| djnaff | how much for extra 3 | [09:29] |
| jeev | toddf, i'd show some interest
i need to try it first. | [09:35] |
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| coil | i thought a /31 was one ip
and a /30 is 4 | [09:35] |
| vxp | more like /32 | [09:35] |
| coil | well /31 being a 2
but one useable | [09:35] |
| ballen | ballen doesn't wanna work | [09:38] |
| toddf | mhoran: just use v6, pleanty of extras there *grin* | [09:40] |
| mhoran | Yep.
coil: /32 is 1 IP, /31 2, /30 4. However, /30 has two usable, one for the router, one for you. /32 and /31 cannot properly be used in routing. up_the_irons does proper CIDR routing, so that requires a /30 per customer. (The other two IPs are reserved, the first for network, last for broadcast.) | [09:40] |
| djnaff | so how much for extra ones :) | [09:48] |
| jeev | djnaff, dont take my word for it. my assumption would be $1-$2/each/month, probably 1
you should wit a moment for up_the_irons to come by or maybe send an email to sales, maybe he has that going to his cell phone | [09:48] |
| ballen | 5 IPs (/29 subnet, $4) | [09:49] |
| jeev | ahh, it saays on his website too haha | [09:49] |
| ballen | or 13 IPs (/28 subnet, $8)
I believe up_the_irons only sells IP's in CIDR blocks not individually | [09:49] |
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| djnaff | ty | [09:55] |
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| up_the_irons | ballen: you're right, IPs are only sold in CIDR blocks; no funky diving out individual IPs from a large net and then firewalling off what you "shouldn't" see | [11:53] |
| ballen | ya | [11:53] |
| up_the_irons | mhoran: you could actually do a /31 with static ARP entries (since no broadcast address exists)
but I imagine I'd get tired of explaining that | [11:54] |
| toddf | you could route individual IP's once the initial block is allocated
as long as they set the netmask to all 1's no further config required | [11:55] |
| up_the_irons | toddf: sroute: I find your spam fighting techniques interesting | [11:56] |
| toddf | just don't borrow 1and1 hosting's insane cisco based networking scheme `ip subnet zero' stuff
a client of mine has a colo there | [11:56] |
| up_the_irons | toddf: but this would require customers to share a VLAN, no?
toddf: ip subnet zero, LOL yeah that's funky stuff | [11:57] |
| toddf | Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Mtu Prio Iface
default 10.255.255.1 UGS 158 677002749 - 8 nfe0 10.255/16 link#1 UCLS 1 0 - 8 nfe0 10.255.255.1 00:00:0c:07:ac:00 UHLc 6 0 - 8 nfe0 then add aliases on nfe0 as netmask of all 1's !route add -llinfo -iface -net 10.255.0.0/16 10.255.255.1 -ifp nfe0 | [11:57] |
| ballen | isn't that special | [11:58] |
| jeev | toddf, i'd like to try your spamd shit | [11:58] |
| toddf | thats a fun line to add to your hostname.nfe0 file | [11:58] |
| jeev | but spamd is spamassassin, no? :D | [11:58] |
| ballen | no
not in OpenBSd | [11:58] |
| toddf | jeev: spamd is the name of a daemon spamassassin runs, but /usr/libexec/spamd on OpenBSD is quite different | [11:58] |
| mhoran | OpenBSD spamd. | [11:58] |
| jeev | ah yea i use freebsd. | [11:58] |
| up_the_irons | toddf: sroute: regarding spam fighting, any blog posts I can read? I use dspam currently, and it works quite well, but I'm always into finding better techniques. and dspam only works for my user (I've trained it), and I find asking customers to train theirs is futile | [11:59] |
| toddf | up_the_irons: I use dspam myself, behind openbsd's spamd | [11:59] |
| up_the_irons | toddf: gotcha | [11:59] |
| toddf | I guess I'll reformat the spamd man page myself, since the openbsd webserver took a hit and is just serving static pages for a bit
(hardware hit for those with active imaginations) | [11:59] |
| jeev | ah
thought my papasmurf worked | [12:00] |
| toddf | hahaha
thats so 90s smurfing | [12:01] |
| mhoran | Greylisting is definitely an interesting technique, but I've never been able to get it to work well.
I just don't get enough volume. | [12:01] |
| jeev | :D | [12:01] |
| mhoran | GUess I just need to become more popular! | [12:01] |
| jeev | i would love to greylist | [12:01] |
| toddf | I have one customer who went from 900k mails an hour to 100k mails an hour or less | [12:01] |
| jeev | toddf, is there a spamd for freebsd | [12:02] |
| mhoran | Incoming mail at work runs through SA before delivery, and that does a pretty decent job.
jeev: Yes. As well as pf, of course. | [12:02] |
| jeev | my postfix setup with rbl's and shit are awesome | [12:02] |
| toddf | jeev: I have no idea, it would work with pf, easily, because of tables .. | [12:02] |
| mhoran | jeev: /usr/ports/mail/spamd | [12:03] |
| mike-burns | SA is pretty decent but I hate the dependencies. | [12:03] |
| mhoran | Yup. I already needed perl for other things, so ...
Hm. If I get rid of all my friends, I could ditch perl. But with no friends, I could never use spamd ... I don't see how I could win this one. | [12:03] |
| mike-burns | As a long-time friend of yours I vote that you ditch Perl. | [12:04] |
| toddf | $insert_your_favorite_cmdline_http_to_stdou_app http://todd.fries.net/pub/spamd.cat8 | less
s/stdou/stdout/ | [12:05] |
| mhoran | Ah, that worked much better. :) | [12:07] |
| jeev | sa's deps suck
especially when upgraindg perl;l upgrading perl | [12:07] |
| mike-burns | So with spamd, greylisting means that the first 10 seconds of a message delivery is stuttered?
How does a sender go from whitelisted to blacklisted? (e.g. how do I mark sometihng as spam?) | [12:08] |
| mhoran | It's more than that. | [12:09] |
| toddf | by re-connecting
after 26 mins from the same ip from the same sender to the same recipient | [12:09] |
| mhoran | Well there we go. Saved me some typing! | [12:10] |
| toddf | then the next connection bypasses spamd altogether and hits the mta directly | [12:10] |
| mhoran | My secondary MX runs spamd, which helps a lot.
mike-burns: As does yours. | [12:10] |
| mike-burns | mhoran: News to me!
So spamd means that first-time senders will have a 26-minute delay on delivery? | [12:10] |
| mhoran | Yes. | [12:11] |
| toddf | first time IP's
there's a huge difference | [12:11] |
| mike-burns | Indeed. | [12:11] |
| mhoran | Typically you purge the whitelist, too, which means if they don't mail you after some period of time, they get greylisted again. | [12:11] |
| toddf | some postfix greylisting does it per sender address and per recipient as well | [12:11] |
| mhoran | So that's my problem -- people don't mail me often enough to keep them whitelisting.
s/whitelisting/whitelisted. | [12:11] |
| toddf | I have a list of manual over-rides, that never see spamd | [12:11] |
| mike-burns | Well that purging doesn't make sense; if someone is whitelisted they should be whitelisted. | [12:12] |
| toddf | ip renumbering | [12:12] |
| mike-burns | Oh sure. | [12:12] |
| toddf | you can always change the default from 31 days to 1024 days
if anybody wants to play with stuttering hit any tcp port on 208.79.89.90 | [12:12] |
| vxp | http://www.skytopia.com/project/fractal/mandelbulb.html | [12:14] |
| mike-burns | Pretty. | [12:15] |
| toddf | http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20090717041621
there's one person's adventure documented with spamd | [12:15] |
| mike-burns | spamd makes sense on a busy server, but less sense on my personal VPS. | [12:17] |
| ballen | I'm using Postgrey on my VPS
and no other spam filtering catches almost everything much better then just using dspam alone | [12:18] |
| jeev | postgrey sounds like it's for postfix
;D | [12:19] |
| ballen | indeed
but really it could be used with any mta | [12:19] |
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| toddf | ballen: depends entirely on what you're using the `personal' VPS for
ballen: I'm using mine as an extension/backup/whatever makes sense .. of Free Daemon Hosting .. kindof like a slowly allocated cloud but not as expensive (if I had 1 system up for 1 month at amazon, for example, it'd be over $100) | [13:47] |
| up_the_irons | amazon's way expensive | [13:49] |
| jeev | not if you get it for free | [13:54] |
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| toddf | jeev: how would I get a vm at amazon for free??? | [14:41] |
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| jeev | hey, i said not if you get it for free, i didn't say that i do
;) | [14:59] |
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| sbp_ | sup | [19:12] |
| ballen | hi | [19:12] |
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| sbp_ | hows things | [19:52] |
| mhoran | Excellent. | [20:01] |
| sbp_ | right on | [20:03] |
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| jeev | why couldn't everyghint just remain 800x600
so we wouldn't have to worry about formatting | [20:51] |
| sbp_ | why would you want a shity screen resolution
or am i just missing it | [20:51] |
| jeev | tired of html struggles
;D | [20:53] |
| sbp_ | :) | [20:53] |
| jeev | maybe you'd be interested.. | [20:57] |
| sbp_ | what you mean | [20:58] |
| jeev | i need to get a hold of some people who want palin to become president
and just beat them | [21:02] |
| sbp_ | haha
ill vote for you but i dont even know who palin is | [21:02] |
| jeev | sarah palin, the moron ex governor of alaska
the one americans say "we can relate, vote for her!" hahaahaha oh my god i need to stop caring about the public | [21:03] |
| sbp_ | ahh | [21:05] |
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| jeev | my little cousin is friends with the kid from two and a half men, i asked him to get me charlie sheen's email address so i can email him about his 9/11 thingies he speaks out about | [21:28] |
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