not sure
what makes a big difference is disk I/O
i mean while building
if i vi /etc/rc.conf for example on another terminal
it would lag.
single drive vs. 8 drive RAID 10 w/ a 256MB cache, I'm always going to win :)
i would see considerable lag in certain places even for make installkernel or installworld
it's that ccis shit
hmm
	HP Smart Array P400i with 256MB read cache
ccis?
2x72 gig sas 10k
10K, not bad
the RAID controller / firmware can make a huge difference too
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5271367680 2009-11-04 00:02 disk0.qcow2
hmm
maybe if i just have a raw image
rather than something that expands
3ware 9650SE-8LPML (what I have) with the latest firmware that introduced some wicked "read intelligent cache" stuff, is like twice as fast as my older ones
i just dont get the bog
or lag
jeev: how long are you expecting make kernel to take?
a minute or two longer than yours.
i'm doing like 'vi /etc/rc.conf' and stuff, while building, i see no lag
oh, i should do a WHT benchmark
yea
benchmark doesn't score that bad on mine
jeev: your raid controller seems a bit skimpy; and keep in mind RAID 10 will trump RAID 1
true
i can try converting to raw
and see what happens
yep, that's easy
hm
all i know is that i shouldn't be seeing what im seeing
are you running unixbench wht ?
jeev: like, right now?
sure
nah
ok, well i've gotta figure this out
for now i'm gonna pass out
i feel like someone is microwaving me.
haha
heh
good night
g'night
think my Macbook is getting to be on its last leg
get a thinkpad
not a fan of Windows or really anyother OS than Mac on a laptop
well, of course not Windows
my thinkpad t41 is way cool runnin OpenBSD ;-)
I removed the 'made for windows xp' sticker .. need to get a cd to put some openbsd stickers on it
i bet
i have a microSPARC laptop running OpenBSD 2.1 and fvwm (yeah, I installed it *that* long ago)
heh
brb need coffeee
microSPARC eh? I have two tadpoles (one 3gs one 3gx) they're decent but heavy so I let them burn a small amount of juice in the server room
up_the_irons: Hah, awesome.
toddf: yup, that's pretty much what I got, I think (3gs)
heavy as all hell
and no working battery anymore
so up_the_irons
i wonder what i could do
to find out why it's not performing right
oh yea, convert to raw
jeev: you try different setups, benchmark, and compare; it's really a brute force task
nothing magic
i wont install ubunti!
i think maybe cause i'm using a git version or something
jeev: that's fine, don't install ubuntu; but the recipe is still the same ;)
Gotta do the cooking by the book!
haha
jeev: do this in one of your VMs: dd if=/dev/zero of=delete-me bs=1M count=1000 conv=fdatasync
adjust count to be double your ram
right now that file would be 1G
paste results
double ram ?
i have 8 gigs
so just 16000
jeev: in the VM
jeev: double ram of the VM
oh
k i just started it up with raw image
dd: unknown conversion fdatasync
jeev: freebsd eh? :)  k, leave off "conv=fdatasync"
yea
how long does yours take? :D
not very long
i did it in a VM with only 256 RAM
$ dd if=/dev/zero of=delete-me bs=1M count=512
512+0 records in
512+0 records out
536870912 bytes transferred in 34.458263 secs (15580324 bytes/sec)
i see
i got an 83 on the WHT test for that VM
i got a 63
gotta figure out why
83? That's pretty good, eh?
dd still running, ran dd on a non vm machine, opteron 37.5mb/s :/
yea it's good for bsd
linux scores a lot higher
opened up another connection, ls -l
been stuck for about 15 sec
yeah, my linux VMs are fast, esp. w/ the virtio block devices i just enabled ;)
damn
jeev: 37.5 mb/s, is that on your host?
up_the_irons, on another box :)
it's only at 900 mb
i'm gonna stop this man
shit
ok girl
what was the kill
sigalrt or some shit lol
that makes dd post stats
kill -usr1 <pid-of-dd>
ALRM
USR1
or usr1 yea
weird, it's killing it.
up_the_irons: So the virtio stuff is working well?
didn't know virtio worked on bsd
jeev: it doesn't
im just doing count=512 now
mhoran: on linux, yeah; not sure i see any big performance increase, but maybe if there were like 30 linux VMs, I would
up_the_irons, what do you get on the host for dd
536870912 bytes transferred in 61.043277 secs (8794923 bytes/sec)
host = 536870912 bytes (537 MB) copied, 0.921171 s, 583 MB/s
$ dd if=/dev/zero of=delete-me bs=1M count=4096 conv=fdatasync
4096+0 records in
4096+0 records out
4294967296 bytes (4.3 GB) copied, 39.8965 s, 108 MB/s
i see
jeev: 512M is too small for an 8GB RAM host, you're looking at mostly cache there
you doubled the ram
ok
trying 16000, wish me luck
oh man that's too much though
jeev: also, use conv=fdatasync
it'll take too long eh
should i just let it go
jeev: try 8GB
just gonna let it go
k
bbiab i guess
16777216000 bytes (17 GB) copied, 363.907 s, 46.1 MB/s
:<
not too great eh
brb
jeev: i'd say that is average-ish.  get a 3ware RAID card in there with RAID 10 and RiW cache, and it'll go a lot faster ;)
by comparison, a Linux VM:
dd if=/dev/zero of=delete-me bs=1M count=2000 conv=fdatasync
2000+0 records in
2000+0 records out
2097152000 bytes (2.1 GB) copied, 26.8445 s, 78.1 MB/s
almost 80MB/s, pretty nice for a VM
vruoom
lol, it's faster than the host!
2000+0 records in
2000+0 records out
2097152000 bytes (2.1 GB) copied, 27.937 s, 75.1 MB/s
that doesn't really make sense
maybe /dev/zero is faster in a VM
;-)
i hate dreary grey fall weather
I realized today that I hate summer.
Yeah, I love this weather too. But I'm a native of it.
yea I'm in nothern michigan... theres no more colorful leaves, it rains and there is constant low grey clouds
i hate this part of the year
I feel like I'm in a dim lit lightbox all day
up_the_irons: I had a local battery place tell me they could make a refurbished battery for around $90 once, something tells me this is not going to happen anytime soon
toddf: hah
toddf: for all that whopping 85 Mhz, not sure if I'd do it either...
Poor people ... always showing up for interviews on time.
Berklee time does not sync up with normal time.
Ever.
hey up_the_irons
on raw, it built in 20 minutes
>>> Kernel build for BOX completed on Wed Nov 4 18:37:09 PST 2009
--------------------------------------------------------------
real 20m56.486s
disregard the fact that i didn't sync the time ;)
"raw" ?
Supported formats: cow qcow vdi vmdk cloop dmg bochs vpc vvfat qcow2 parallels nbd host_cdrom host_floppy host_device raw tftp ftps ftp https http
yea for the img
since i didn't set up lvm
jeev: ah ok
i'm gonna go back to qcow2 and test that once more
I'd try out tftp
yea man i have no need to get additional hard ware
i'm not t4rying to compete with you, im just trying to get vm's going for myself
;-)
up_the_irons: I have some sparc systems that are < 10mhz, a couple of vme bus ones too
jeev: I'd love to setup a vm system here, waiting on a c2t cable for an ibm xseries 355 I got for $40 (steal of a deal!)
Great deal!
`here' being `at the end of a cox cablemodem, no chances of hosting, test lab style setup'
toddf: $40? nice!
mhoran: and its a local place that buys stuff from auctions and by the pallette, I intend to frequent their place .. ;-)
i think I still have a sparcstation 10 in my garage
I almost have more sparc(32) systems than I do i386 systems
355?
aren't those old school?
yea i remember iwas gonna buy a ton of those ibm's till i found out that it required a stupid cable
jeev: it has a xeon cpu and a 1U case, whether it is HT or 64bit remains to be seen, but it's a good deal regardless ;-)
free?
jeev: it was $6 on ebay
oh cool
yea i like those old school boxes, i have a lot at the datacenter
the cable, the system was $40 locally
oh
single cpu ?
how fast
I need the cable to find out...
ahh
someone didn't leave it booting the cdrom by default or I'd have seen some activity on the serial port
it's on its way from china, should arrive this week or next
but those are older school ones
guaranteed to not have vme
or vt
whatever it is
vme? heh
how about 64bit capable?
i'd say 50 50
i've seen a lot that have been 64bit
maybe those were 335's hmm
8676-61X is the TYPE code fwiw
too bad they're not dells
64bit but not yet VT capable, moof, ohwell, I'll take the 64bit
punch in their code
and get the exact specs
well i think i got i got a xeon i can send yu if thats not 64bit
i THINk
if the ones i have are 64bit heh
easy test if you don't mind booting a 6mb iso
 ftp://ftp.usa.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/amd64/cd46.iso
they're cpu's, not entire systems
;)
if the kernel loads and inits its 64bit capable, if it hangs after loading, its not
heh
no can look at the stepping and
cpuu or whatever thing its called
the code
it's not here with me i'll check later
one site says 'Intel Xeon DP' but that doesn't help me either
if you're really curious and anxious
take the heatsink off and read it ;)
that'd do it for sure ;-)
I'll do that later, have a few things piled ontop for now
i guess we'll see
bbib
bbiab
abbreviation of the abbreviation, heh
qcow2 did 23 minutes, weird shit man
jeev: try lvm
i've done lvm only once, under duress
20 minutes aint bad
lvm is easy
on an existing system? ;)
if thje kvm port was working i'd do it
yeah, i'm not saying you have to boot from it or anything
you have any free disk partitions?
nop
resize2fs :)
i'm not sure what the perf diff between raw image and lvm would be; but if you're happy with raw image, keep it
raw would be best performance, no?
it doesn't need to grow
jeev: raw would be better than qcow2; fyi i've seen qcow2 images get corrupted.  for production systems, just stay away
yea
well
my kvm server is officially offline
pending investigation
will probably take 2-3 weeks before it's back up
what a fuckin waste
'pending investigation' ?
fedex smashed it
now they want to investigate it
ah yes
but wowzers
yea
it was on for a few days
but pointless
wack
bought more ram for the identical server in east coast but the cust wont let me upgrade him to 64bit heh
wonder what's gonna happen with this net neutrality shit
I'm more concerned with the government and monetary system atm ;-(
why am i addicted to this: http://typewar.com/
login w/ twitter
and it keeps score
999th place!
heh i love slack
hm
ballen
what was that software you had previously recommended for blog
Welcome back!
nice blog