[00:00] <up_the_irons> not sure
[00:00] <up_the_irons> what makes a big difference is disk I/O
[00:00] <jeev> i mean while building
[00:00] <jeev> if i vi /etc/rc.conf for example on another terminal
[00:00] <jeev> it would lag.
[00:00] <up_the_irons> single drive vs. 8 drive RAID 10 w/ a 256MB cache, I'm always going to win :)
[00:00] <jeev> i would see considerable lag in certain places even for make installkernel or installworld
[00:01] <jeev> it's that ccis shit
[00:01] <jeev> hmm
[00:01] <jeev> 	HP Smart Array P400i with 256MB read cache
[00:01] <up_the_irons> ccis?
[00:01] <jeev> 2x72 gig sas 10k
[00:01] <up_the_irons> 10K, not bad
[00:02] <up_the_irons> the RAID controller / firmware can make a huge difference too
[00:03] <jeev> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5271367680 2009-11-04 00:02 disk0.qcow2
[00:03] <jeev> hmm
[00:03] <jeev> maybe if i just have a raw image
[00:03] <jeev> rather than something that expands
[00:03] <up_the_irons> 3ware 9650SE-8LPML (what I have) with the latest firmware that introduced some wicked "read intelligent cache" stuff, is like twice as fast as my older ones
[00:04] <jeev> i just dont get the bog
[00:04] <jeev> or lag
[00:04] <up_the_irons> jeev: how long are you expecting make kernel to take?
[00:05] <jeev> a minute or two longer than yours.
[00:06] <up_the_irons> i'm doing like 'vi /etc/rc.conf' and stuff, while building, i see no lag
[00:06] <up_the_irons> oh, i should do a WHT benchmark
[00:06] <jeev> yea
[00:07] <jeev> benchmark doesn't score that bad on mine
[00:07] <up_the_irons> jeev: your raid controller seems a bit skimpy; and keep in mind RAID 10 will trump RAID 1
[00:08] <jeev> true
[00:10] <jeev> i can try converting to raw
[00:10] <jeev> and see what happens
[00:10] <up_the_irons> yep, that's easy
[00:12] <jeev> hm
[00:13] <jeev> all i know is that i shouldn't be seeing what im seeing
[00:13] <jeev> are you running unixbench wht ?
[00:13] <up_the_irons> jeev: like, right now?
[00:13] <jeev> sure
[00:14] <up_the_irons> nah
[00:14] <jeev> ok, well i've gotta figure this out
[00:14] <jeev> for now i'm gonna pass out
[00:14] <jeev> i feel like someone is microwaving me.
[00:14] <up_the_irons> haha
[00:14] * ballen turns off the microwave
[00:14] <jeev> heh
[00:14] <jeev> good night
[00:27] <up_the_irons> g'night
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[08:52] <ballen> think my Macbook is getting to be on its last leg
[09:15] <up_the_irons> get a thinkpad
[09:16] <ballen> not a fan of Windows or really anyother OS than Mac on a laptop
[09:21] <up_the_irons> well, of course not Windows
[09:23] <toddf> my thinkpad t41 is way cool runnin OpenBSD ;-)
[09:23] <toddf> I removed the 'made for windows xp' sticker .. need to get a cd to put some openbsd stickers on it
[09:23] <up_the_irons> i bet
[09:24] <up_the_irons> i have a microSPARC laptop running OpenBSD 2.1 and fvwm (yeah, I installed it *that* long ago)
[09:24] <ballen> heh
[09:24] <ballen> brb need coffeee
[09:28] <toddf> microSPARC eh? I have two tadpoles (one 3gs one 3gx) they're decent but heavy so I let them burn a small amount of juice in the server room
[09:29] <mhoran> up_the_irons: Hah, awesome.
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[09:50] <up_the_irons> toddf: yup, that's pretty much what I got, I think (3gs)
[09:50] <up_the_irons> heavy as all hell
[09:50] <up_the_irons> and no working battery anymore
[09:50] <jeev> so up_the_irons
[09:50] <jeev> i wonder what i could do
[09:51] <jeev> to find out why it's not performing right
[09:51] <jeev> oh yea, convert to raw
[09:51] <up_the_irons> jeev: you try different setups, benchmark, and compare; it's really a brute force task
[09:51] <up_the_irons> nothing magic
[09:51] <jeev> i wont install ubunti!
[09:51] <jeev> i think maybe cause i'm using a git version or something
[09:53] <up_the_irons> jeev: that's fine, don't install ubuntu; but the recipe is still the same ;)
[09:53] <mhoran> Gotta do the cooking by the book!
[09:53] <up_the_irons> haha
[09:55] <up_the_irons> jeev: do this in one of your VMs: dd if=/dev/zero of=delete-me bs=1M count=1000 conv=fdatasync
[09:55] <up_the_irons> adjust count to be double your ram
[09:55] <up_the_irons> right now that file would be 1G
[09:55] <up_the_irons> paste results
[09:56] <jeev> double ram ?
[09:56] <jeev> i have 8 gigs
[09:56] <jeev> so just 16000
[09:56] <up_the_irons> jeev: in the VM
[09:57] <up_the_irons> jeev: double ram of the VM
[09:57] <jeev> oh
[09:57] <jeev> k i just started it up with raw image
[09:57] <jeev> dd: unknown conversion fdatasync
[09:58] <up_the_irons> jeev: freebsd eh? :)  k, leave off "conv=fdatasync"
[09:58] <jeev> yea
[09:59] <jeev> how long does yours take? :D
[10:00] <up_the_irons> not very long
[10:00] <up_the_irons> i did it in a VM with only 256 RAM
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[10:00] <up_the_irons> $ dd if=/dev/zero of=delete-me bs=1M count=512
[10:00] <up_the_irons> 512+0 records in
[10:00] <up_the_irons> 512+0 records out
[10:00] <up_the_irons> 536870912 bytes transferred in 34.458263 secs (15580324 bytes/sec)
[10:00] <jeev> i see
[10:01] <up_the_irons> i got an 83 on the WHT test for that VM
[10:01] <jeev> i got a 63
[10:01] <jeev> gotta figure out why
[10:02] <mhoran> 83? That's pretty good, eh?
[10:02] <jeev> dd still running, ran dd on a non vm machine, opteron 37.5mb/s :/
[10:02] <jeev> yea it's good for bsd
[10:02] <jeev> linux scores a lot higher
[10:03] <jeev> opened up another connection, ls -l
[10:03] <jeev> been stuck for about 15 sec
[10:03] <up_the_irons> yeah, my linux VMs are fast, esp. w/ the virtio block devices i just enabled ;)
[10:04] <jeev> damn
[10:04] <up_the_irons> jeev: 37.5 mb/s, is that on your host?
[10:04] <jeev> up_the_irons, on another box :)
[10:04] <jeev> it's only at 900 mb
[10:04] <jeev> i'm gonna stop this man
[10:04] <jeev> shit
[10:04] <up_the_irons> ok girl
[10:04] <jeev> what was the kill
[10:04] <jeev> sigalrt or some shit lol
[10:04] <jeev> that makes dd post stats
[10:04] <up_the_irons> kill -usr1 <pid-of-dd>
[10:04] <jeev> ALRM
[10:05] <up_the_irons> USR1
[10:05] <jeev> or usr1 yea
[10:05] <jeev> weird, it's killing it.
[10:06] <mhoran> up_the_irons: So the virtio stuff is working well?
[10:06] <jeev> didn't know virtio worked on bsd
[10:06] <up_the_irons> jeev: it doesn't
[10:06] <jeev> im just doing count=512 now
[10:07] <up_the_irons> mhoran: on linux, yeah; not sure i see any big performance increase, but maybe if there were like 30 linux VMs, I would
[10:07] <jeev> up_the_irons, what do you get on the host for dd
[10:08] <jeev> 536870912 bytes transferred in 61.043277 secs (8794923 bytes/sec)
[10:08] <jeev> host = 536870912 bytes (537 MB) copied, 0.921171 s, 583 MB/s
[10:08] <up_the_irons> $ dd if=/dev/zero of=delete-me bs=1M count=4096 conv=fdatasync
[10:08] <up_the_irons> 4096+0 records in
[10:08] <up_the_irons> 4096+0 records out
[10:08] <up_the_irons> 4294967296 bytes (4.3 GB) copied, 39.8965 s, 108 MB/s
[10:08] <jeev> i see
[10:08] <up_the_irons> jeev: 512M is too small for an 8GB RAM host, you're looking at mostly cache there
[10:09] <jeev> you doubled the ram
[10:09] <jeev> ok
[10:09] <jeev> trying 16000, wish me luck
[10:09] <jeev> oh man that's too much though
[10:09] <up_the_irons> jeev: also, use conv=fdatasync
[10:09] <jeev> it'll take too long eh
[10:09] <jeev> should i just let it go
[10:11] <up_the_irons> jeev: try 8GB
[10:11] <jeev> just gonna let it go
[10:11] <up_the_irons> k
[10:12] <jeev> bbiab i guess
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[10:15] <jeev> 16777216000 bytes (17 GB) copied, 363.907 s, 46.1 MB/s
[10:15] <jeev> :<
[10:15] <jeev> not too great eh
[10:16] <jeev> brb
[10:17] <up_the_irons> jeev: i'd say that is average-ish.  get a 3ware RAID card in there with RAID 10 and RiW cache, and it'll go a lot faster ;)
[10:18] <up_the_irons> by comparison, a Linux VM:
[10:18] <up_the_irons> dd if=/dev/zero of=delete-me bs=1M count=2000 conv=fdatasync
[10:18] <up_the_irons> 2000+0 records in
[10:18] <up_the_irons> 2000+0 records out
[10:18] <up_the_irons> 2097152000 bytes (2.1 GB) copied, 26.8445 s, 78.1 MB/s
[10:18] <up_the_irons> almost 80MB/s, pretty nice for a VM
[10:18] <ballen> vruoom
[10:19] <up_the_irons> lol, it's faster than the host!
[10:19] <up_the_irons> 2000+0 records in
[10:19] <up_the_irons> 2000+0 records out
[10:19] <up_the_irons> 2097152000 bytes (2.1 GB) copied, 27.937 s, 75.1 MB/s
[10:20] <ballen> that doesn't really make sense
[10:20] * up_the_irons shrugs
[10:21] <ballen> maybe /dev/zero is faster in a VM
[10:22] <ballen> ;-)
[10:24] <ballen> i hate dreary grey fall weather
[10:27] * mhoran loves it.
[10:27] <mhoran> I realized today that I hate summer.
[10:30] <mike-burns> Yeah, I love this weather too. But I'm a native of it.
[10:33] <ballen> yea I'm in nothern michigan... theres no more colorful leaves, it rains and there is constant low grey clouds
[10:33] <ballen> i hate this part of the year
[10:33] <ballen> I feel like I'm in a dim lit lightbox all day
[10:33] <toddf> up_the_irons: I had a local battery place tell me they could make a refurbished battery for around $90 once, something tells me this is not going to happen anytime soon
[10:34] <up_the_irons> toddf: hah
[10:34] <up_the_irons> toddf: for all that whopping 85 Mhz, not sure if I'd do it either...
[10:35] <mhoran> Poor people ... always showing up for interviews on time.
[10:35] <mhoran> Berklee time does not sync up with normal time.
[10:35] <mhoran> Ever.
[10:40] <jeev> hey up_the_irons
[10:40] <jeev> on raw, it built in 20 minutes
[10:40] <jeev> >>> Kernel build for BOX completed on Wed Nov 4 18:37:09 PST 2009
[10:40] <jeev> --------------------------------------------------------------
[10:40] <jeev> real 20m56.486s
[10:40] <jeev> disregard the fact that i didn't sync the time ;)
[10:40] <up_the_irons> "raw" ?
[10:41] <jeev> Supported formats: cow qcow vdi vmdk cloop dmg bochs vpc vvfat qcow2 parallels nbd host_cdrom host_floppy host_device raw tftp ftps ftp https http
[10:41] <jeev> yea for the img
[10:41] <jeev> since i didn't set up lvm
[10:41] <up_the_irons> jeev: ah ok
[10:41] <jeev> i'm gonna go back to qcow2 and test that once more
[10:42] <ballen> I'd try out tftp
[10:42] <jeev> yea man i have no need to get additional hard ware
[10:42] <jeev> i'm not t4rying to compete with you, im just trying to get vm's going for myself
[10:42] <ballen> ;-)
[10:43] <toddf> up_the_irons: I have some sparc systems that are < 10mhz, a couple of vme bus ones too
[10:43] <toddf> jeev: I'd love to setup a vm system here, waiting on a c2t cable for an ibm xseries 355 I got for $40 (steal of a deal!)
[10:44] <mhoran> Great deal!
[10:44] <toddf> `here' being `at the end of a cox cablemodem, no chances of hosting, test lab style setup'
[10:44] <up_the_irons> toddf: $40? nice!
[10:44] <toddf> mhoran: and its a local place that buys stuff from auctions and by the pallette, I intend to frequent their place .. ;-)
[10:44] <up_the_irons> i think I still have a sparcstation 10 in my garage
[10:45] <toddf> I almost have more sparc(32) systems than I do i386 systems
[10:45] <jeev> 355?
[10:45] <jeev> aren't those old school?
[10:45] <jeev> yea i remember iwas gonna buy a ton of those ibm's till i found out that it required a stupid cable
[10:45] <toddf> jeev: it has a xeon cpu and a 1U case, whether it is HT or 64bit remains to be seen, but it's a good deal regardless ;-)
[10:45] <jeev> free?
[10:45] <toddf> jeev: it was $6 on ebay
[10:45] <jeev> oh cool
[10:46] <jeev> yea i like those old school boxes, i have a lot at the datacenter
[10:46] <toddf> the cable, the system was $40 locally
[10:46] <jeev> oh
[10:46] <jeev> single cpu ?
[10:46] <jeev> how fast
[10:47] <toddf> I need the cable to find out...
[10:47] <jeev> ahh
[10:47] <toddf> someone didn't leave it booting the cdrom by default or I'd have seen some activity on the serial port
[10:47] <toddf> it's on its way from china, should arrive this week or next
[10:47] <jeev> but those are older school ones
[10:48] <jeev> guaranteed to not have vme
[10:48] <jeev> or vt
[10:48] <jeev> whatever it is
[10:48] <toddf> vme? heh
[10:48] <toddf> how about 64bit capable?
[10:48] <jeev> i'd say 50 50
[10:48] <jeev> i've seen a lot that have been 64bit
[10:48] <jeev> maybe those were 335's hmm
[10:48] <toddf> 8676-61X is the TYPE code fwiw
[10:49] <jeev> too bad they're not dells
[10:49] <toddf> 64bit but not yet VT capable, moof, ohwell, I'll take the 64bit
[10:49] <jeev> punch in their code
[10:49] <jeev> and get the exact specs
[10:50] <jeev> well i think i got i got a xeon i can send yu if thats not 64bit
[10:50] <jeev> i THINk
[10:50] <jeev> if the ones i have are 64bit heh
[10:50] <toddf> easy test if you don't mind booting a 6mb iso
[10:50] <toddf>  ftp://ftp.usa.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/amd64/cd46.iso
[10:50] <jeev> they're cpu's, not entire systems
[10:50] <jeev> ;)
[10:51] <toddf> if the kernel loads and inits its 64bit capable, if it hangs after loading, its not
[10:51] <toddf> heh
[10:51] <jeev> no can look at the stepping and
[10:51] <jeev> cpuu or whatever thing its called
[10:51] <jeev> the code
[10:51] <jeev> it's not here with me i'll check later
[10:51] <toddf> one site says 'Intel Xeon DP' but that doesn't help me either
[10:51] <jeev> if you're really curious and anxious
[10:51] <jeev> take the heatsink off and read it ;)
[10:52] <toddf> that'd do it for sure ;-)
[10:52] <toddf> I'll do that later, have a few things piled ontop for now
[10:56] <jeev> i guess we'll see
[10:56] <jeev> bbib
[10:56] <jeev> bbiab
[11:00] <toddf> abbreviation of the abbreviation, heh
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[11:44] <jeev> qcow2 did 23 minutes, weird shit man
[11:45] <up_the_irons> jeev: try lvm
[11:47] <jeev> i've done lvm only once, under duress
[11:47] <jeev> 20 minutes aint bad
[11:50] <up_the_irons> lvm is easy
[11:51] <jeev> on an existing system? ;)
[11:51] <jeev> if thje kvm port was working i'd do it
[11:52] <up_the_irons> yeah, i'm not saying you have to boot from it or anything
[11:52] <up_the_irons> you have any free disk partitions?
[11:52] <jeev> nop
[11:52] <up_the_irons> resize2fs :)
[11:53] <up_the_irons> i'm not sure what the perf diff between raw image and lvm would be; but if you're happy with raw image, keep it
[11:55] <jeev> raw would be best performance, no?
[11:55] <jeev> it doesn't need to grow
[11:57] <up_the_irons> jeev: raw would be better than qcow2; fyi i've seen qcow2 images get corrupted.  for production systems, just stay away
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[11:57] <jeev> yea
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[17:37] <jeev> well
[17:37] <jeev> my kvm server is officially offline
[17:37] <jeev> pending investigation
[17:37] <jeev> will probably take 2-3 weeks before it's back up
[17:37] <jeev> what a fuckin waste
[17:37] <toddf_> 'pending investigation' ?
[17:37] <jeev> fedex smashed it
[17:37] <jeev> now they want to investigate it
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[17:38] <toddf> ah yes
[17:38] <toddf> but wowzers
[17:38] <jeev> yea
[17:38] <jeev> it was on for a few days
[17:38] <jeev> but pointless
[17:41] <jeev> wack
[17:42] <jeev> bought more ram for the identical server in east coast but the cust wont let me upgrade him to 64bit heh
[17:45] <jeev> wonder what's gonna happen with this net neutrality shit
[17:53] <toddf> I'm more concerned with the government and monetary system atm ;-(
[18:18] <up_the_irons> why am i addicted to this: http://typewar.com/
[18:18] <up_the_irons> login w/ twitter
[18:18] <up_the_irons> and it keeps score
[18:19] <up_the_irons> 999th place!
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[18:21] <jeev_> heh i love slack
[18:22] <jeev_> hm
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[18:38] <jeev_> ballen
[18:38] <jeev_> what was that software you had previously recommended for blog
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[19:39] <mhoran> Welcome back!
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[22:49] * dbgi2IAm bough 11 new domains today :)
[22:50] <vxp> nice blog
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