[01:48] *** [FBI] starts logging #arpnetworks at Tue Nov 03 01:48:26 2009 [01:48] *** [FBI] has joined #arpnetworks [04:19] lol fbi [04:44] I presume there is nothing preventing us from making our own logs [04:46] I use a pen and paper for my IRC logs. Sometimes I scan them in. 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[08:13] *** vtoms has quit IRC ("Leaving.") [08:15] *** ballen has joined #arpnetworks [08:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ballen [08:29] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [08:45] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [09:29] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [09:35] *** vtoms has quit IRC ("Leaving.") [09:35] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [10:40] *** coil has quit IRC ("http://znc.in") [10:40] *** coil has joined #arpnetworks [11:35] coil: you never saw [FBI] before ? that bot has been in here since the channel started ;) [12:24] *** ersoy has joined #arpnetworks [12:24] hello [12:26] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [12:31] Howdy. [12:34] *** nerdd_ has joined #arpnetworks [12:35] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [12:36] I saw your page in google directory [12:36] I want to vps [12:37] In short, http://arpnetworks.com/vps and you can do everything via the Web. [12:41] i want debian lenny, i do not want the control panel [12:41] ok [12:42] When the system is activated? [12:42] ASAP; as soon as up_the_irons does it. [12:42] can i use iptables on vps? [12:43] That's the Linux competitor for pf right? [12:43] yea linux's default firewall [12:44] If so, yeah go ahead. If you want your system to be monitored you need to allow one IP to ping it. [12:44] ersoy: you can do anything you'd be able to do on your own local box [12:44] ersoy: You can basically run anything. [12:44] You get root, it's your box, do what you'd like. :) [12:44] sorry i dont know *bsd [12:45] ersoy: Do anything with your packet filtering, but allow 208.79.89.243 to ping it. [12:47] Some system administrators do not allow iptables on vps [12:47] asked for it [12:47] thanks [12:48] how can i set rdns ? [12:48] control panel or named ? [12:49] *** nerdd has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [12:50] You have to email support@ for rdns, currently. [12:51] (Note:I haven't looked at the control panel in months.) [12:51] For a single rDNS entry, mail support@. [12:52] and and finish [12:52] do you have ddos protection on your systems [12:52] up_the_irons will allocate rDNS for larger blocks if necessary. [12:52] I know of no DDoS protection. [12:54] ersoy, ddos will likely be a on response support issue. [12:54] in general do all you can to avoid such things from happening though [12:58] what is the baklava mean? [12:59] isn't baklava a greek dessert [13:00] yes turkish dessert :) [13:03] credit card problem is not from turkey? [14:18] are you planning on getting any ddos? [15:02] *** vtoms has quit IRC ("Leaving.") [15:03] *** nerdd_ has quit IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [15:03] *** nerdd has joined #arpnetworks [15:28] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [16:10] *** heavysixer_ has joined #arpnetworks [16:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o heavysixer_ [16:27] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [16:27] *** heavysixer_ is now known as heavysixer [16:37] http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=125729287502801&w=2 [16:37] for entertainment and also a security warning [16:38] While I hate his writing style, I can't think of a better way to write it. [16:39] toddf: is this related to NULL page mapping, or w/e? [16:39] yes [16:39] yeah ,that's been going around... [16:39] its a short read, I must leave for supper, you probably already are aware, just adding fuel to the fire [16:42] i sense some insecurities [16:44] Oh, finally made it to the OpenBSD mailing lists, eh? [16:44] Been on FreeBSD for months ... [16:44] the post by linus, referenced on the bottom, i had read before (when he first posted it ;) [16:45] mhoran: which one? [16:46] looks like Theo posted that semi-rant today... [16:46] All the talk about mapping to 0. [16:47] ah gotcha [16:47] (Which allowed me to root my T-mobile G1. Hooray!) [16:48] hahaha nice [16:48] i wish blackberry was more like the iphone [16:49] Bah. There is nothing good about the iPhone. [16:49] i bet i could have more fun with an iPhone if i were bored than a blackberry [16:49] frankly, other than sending messages, there is nothing fun on a blackberry [16:49] If my phone did my laundry, I'd be happy. [16:49] anyone try rebuilding freebsd on their vps ? [16:50] Hm. That isn't so far-fetched. [16:51] i wonder how long it takes [16:56] *** dbgi has joined #arpnetworks [17:03] mhoran: If you use your washing machine as your dirty clothes storage and you hooked some sort of computer with Internet to your laundry machine, you'd be halways there. [17:03] Genius! [17:06] *** dbgi2IAm has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [17:08] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [17:19] i need to consolidate my servers and retire some [17:41] real 111m45.912s [17:42] damn, to rebuild 7.2-p4 on 'time make buildworld' but i ran qemu with -smp 2. woops [17:42] E5420, 2.5ghz x 4 [17:42] that's a long ass time. [17:42] that seems quite slow [17:42] maybe cause i didn't -j2 ? [17:43] or -j4 or whatever [17:45] CPU: QEMU Virtual CPU version 0.11.50 (2500.08-MHz K8-class CPU) [17:45] FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs [17:45] hmm [17:53] *** ballen has quit IRC () [18:09] *** Ta|isman has joined #arpnetworks [18:09] hi [18:10] welcome Ta|isman [18:10] how is your day going? [18:10] or evening depending [18:11] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [18:12] I have been speaking with OBsidieth, and he speaks highly of you [18:12] I wasn't quite understanding how he was explaining the thing though [18:12] so I figured I would come speak with you [18:12] ok [18:12] so I sign up on the site in the topic? [18:12] no paypal? [18:13] these are real dedicated resources, or user shasred? [18:13] no paypal [18:13] arpnetworks.com/vps for more info [18:14] find something you like, click "Order" [18:14] RAM is dedicated, disk is dedicated [18:14] disk space, that is [18:14] CPU is shared [18:15] lorf [18:15] sup Ta|isman [18:16] *** vtoms has quit IRC ("Leaving.") [18:18] k [18:18] sup vx [18:18] how you doin bra [18:18] "HB" [18:18] ok up [18:19] Imma git wun [18:24] *** dbgi2 has joined #arpnetworks [18:45] *** visinin has joined #arpnetworks [19:15] *** nuke^ is now known as nuke [20:19] *** heavysixer has quit IRC () [21:16] *** dbgi2 has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [21:44] *** toddf has quit IRC (lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [21:44] *** toddf has joined #arpnetworks [21:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o toddf [21:57] *** dbgi2 has joined #arpnetworks [22:07] *** ballen has joined #arpnetworks [22:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ballen [22:08] http://status.slicehost.com/2009/11/3/dfw-interruption-2 hah [22:11] hmm since when did I become a channel op? I feel special now [22:13] *** nerdd has quit IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [22:13] mentally challenged [22:14] nah not special ed [22:15] *** nerdd has joined #arpnetworks [22:41] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [22:42] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [22:50] ballen: http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log/arpnetworks?date=2009-11-01,Sun&sel=26#l22 [22:51] mmk [22:54] ballen: we had a trolling problem [22:54] k [22:54] will de-troll the channel if needed [22:54] i probably shouldn't auto-op (freenode suggestion), but instead allow one to op themselves if needed [22:55] de-troll! [22:55] whichever [22:56] *** ballen sets mode: -o ballen [22:57] can I not op myself currently? [22:57] ballen: yes, you can, but in case you didn't want to be op'd unless needed, you'd have to de-op yourself every time you joined [23:00] whats the command to op myself? [23:00] /msg chanserv op #arpnetworks ballen [23:00] i think [23:00] "Rackspace has experienced a service interruption during tonight’s scheduled maintenance on UPS Cluster G." [23:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ballen [23:01] ballen: /mode #arpnetworks +o ballen [23:01] ballen: oh i guess the chanserv one worked too ;) [23:01] ah forgot to add the channel [23:01] so if rackspace had a power outage, god help us... [23:01] yea rackspace has been having some issues [23:01] i always find this a constant though: "The PDUs were down for a total of about 5 minutes" [23:02] makes me wanna install some local APC UPS's in my cabs [23:02] yea damn things as somewhat expensive though [23:02] right [23:02] and I'm paying a lot for UPS power already [23:03] N+1 redundant and all that stuff [23:03] so I got an epic downtime notice today at work [23:03] but still [23:03] warning me of a downtime of 50 milliseconds [23:03] things fail, no matter how hard you try [23:03] so you gotta be prepared, and a UPS would carry one through a 5 minute disruption [23:03] ballen: 50 ms, really? [23:03] yea true [23:04] UPS = local rack UPS [23:04] yea, enterprise wide [23:04] telco and all [23:04] wow [23:04] but still... 50 ms [23:04] yea not worried about it [23:04] at all [23:04] haha [23:04] thats less time then typical round trip [23:05] of a single packet [23:05] yeah [23:05] thought it was funny though [23:05] LOL: "Service to Cloud sites has been restored and we are continuing to work with Cloud sites customers to bring them online" [23:05] wait, but if you're on the "Cloud" [23:05] it is never supposed to go down, it is THE CLOUD [23:05] yep [23:06] silly [23:07] the cloud needs a good catchy term for when it crashes [23:07] whats the antithesis of "THE CLOUD" [23:07] cloudburst [23:07] bahahaha [23:08] hmm [23:08] ballen: what makes clouds go away? [23:08] i find that a lot funnier than i think it actually is [23:08] dryness? [23:08] high pressure [23:08] DROUGHT [23:08] *** nuke has quit IRC (Nick collision from services.) [23:08] HIGH PRESSURE [23:08] drought is more antithesis of water/rain [23:08] HIGH PRESSURE COLLISION [23:08] *** nuke^ has joined #arpnetworks [23:08] not catchy enough [23:09] ballen: right, but if it is dry, there's little moisture in the air, so clouds don't form, no? [23:09] true, thinking common mass media mindset here [23:09] something that would really stick [23:09] "Yeah all these constant issues with the Cloud Site is a very big concern for my company and I. We have spend a lot of time migrating over to Cloud Site and we have discovered that it is not as reliable as the 99.9% uptime Rackspace had promised" <-- this is somewhat typical, it is a "new" platform, it's gonna have kinks [23:10] heh [23:10] actually, 99.9% uptime still leaves room for like an hour a month, doesn't it? [23:10] * up_the_irons breaks out bc [23:10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_availability [23:10] 8.76 hours [23:10] a year [23:11] which I think they're still under [23:11] 43.2 minutes a month, by my calculation [23:12] yep [23:12] for 30 day months [23:12] i can see why google does away with centralized UPSs, and just battery backs the individual server [23:12] right, 30 days [23:13] yea I absolutely love that model [23:13] wish someone would offer in server battery commercially [23:14] offers a number of benefits [23:14] so does Arp Networks offer six nines availability? [23:15] i've gotta find out why it's taking 27 minutes for me to build kernel on my kvm box vs 19 on arp [23:16] because the ARP box is faster? [23:16] jeev: what command exactly you using to build your kernel? [23:16] time make buildkernel KERNCONF=BOX [23:16] for example. [23:17] let me try running without -smp 2 [23:17] our cpu differences are what, 166 mhz [23:17] maybe cause i'm using a .qcow2.. i mean i dunno [23:18] *** dbgi2 has quit IRC ("Leaving") [23:18] ballen: never calculated exactly. I definitely don't want 45 minutes downtime per month. I'd say, realistically, we're looking at more like 5 - 10, and always off-peak and planned. Most outages are just for kernel security patches [23:18] * up_the_irons raises fits at Linux [23:19] up_the_irons, was kidding six nines of downtime is a crazy goal [23:19] like 32 seconds in a year [23:19] jeev: i'm trying that on my new box, let's see [23:19] LOL [23:19] 99.9999% [23:19] a common "idea" around the dot com bust [23:19] haha [23:20] i've never understood this: http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000RM2U&total_watts=50 [23:20] WHY, APC, WHY can't you give me a UPS with twist-lock OUTPUTS [23:20] that's a deal breaker [23:20] hmm [23:20] can you do 208v? [23:20] what you running on the new box [23:20] ubunti? [23:21] http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000RMT2U&total_watts=50 [23:22] I have that in my rack at the moment [23:22] although I can't remember if they are twist lock [23:22] hmmm thinking [23:22] thinking [23:22] yes they are [23:22] because my PDU for the rack used to be plugged into the wall which is twist lock [23:24] ballen: I don't have 208V. See, that one you have, is perfect, I just need the 120V version [23:24] which I don't know if it exists [23:24] hmm lame [23:24] L5-20R or L5-30R outputs would do fine [23:25] WHOA [23:25] http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000R3XLNETPKG&total_watts=1800 [23:25] there [23:25] it has one [23:25] man, pricey [23:25] i'm so annoyed [23:25] yea networked [23:25] bumps the price [23:26] just get the old school AP9616's [23:26] hahah [23:26] or whatever they were [23:26] that what i use and will always use [23:27] yea 120v is lame [23:29] *** visinin has quit IRC ("sleep") [23:32] this would work: [23:32] http://www.tripplite.com/en/products/model.cfm?txtSeriesID=659&EID=13790&txtModelID=3023 [23:32] but tripplite just doesn't look as nice [23:33] and doesn't have the reputation of APC [23:33] i'm a fan of APC products, been very reliable for me [23:33] hmm Tripplite [23:35] yea I'd stick with APC [23:37] yeah, look, the one i was looking at that has the right output: http://www.provantage.com/apc-sua3000r3xlnetpkg~4AMP91R1.htm [23:37] $1402.61 on Provantage [23:38] which isn't *too* bad [23:39] the tripplite is about $1000 on Provantage [23:39] so the savings would be $400, not too much if there were *any* problems with the tripplite [23:40] http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/534049-REG/APC_SUA3000RMXL3U_Smart_UPS_XL_3000VA_RM.html [23:41] bought my Nikon D300 from B&H [23:41] why not a UPS [23:41] iiinteresting [23:42] ouchie, $220 to ship [23:42] it *is* heavy [23:42] Provantage wants $188 to ship [23:42] yea [23:43] Provantage doesn't charge tax, which is nice [23:43] I'd go with the white glove in home action [23:43] LOL [23:44] i've had customers ship me stuff with FedEx White Glove [23:45] trucks [23:45] entire cabs [23:45] it was awesome, they do *everything* [23:45] "everything" [23:47] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842101177 [23:49] no twist lock outputs [23:49] http://www.lacc.com/product.asp?pf_id=SUA3000RMXL3U-R&gkw=SUA3000RMXL3U-R&gad=CMmoy6ADEgjAzwOV645uHRiX_r3-AyDRkIA6 [23:49] ah I change models ? [23:51] yeah [23:52] SUA3000R3XLNETPKG [23:52] http://www.lacc.com/product.asp?pf_id=SUA3000R3XLNETPKG%2DR [23:52] no pick [23:52] but referb is sure cheaper [23:52] *refurb [23:53] seems like this is not an area to go with refurb [23:53] srsly [23:55] up_the_irons, let me know how fast yours goes [23:55] mine is still in the 30's [23:55] upper 20's, low 30's, to build [23:55] but im doing a slightly lesser kernel, no wifi and shit [23:56] oh yeah [23:56] maybe it's just my kernel or qemu-kvm and stuff [23:56] im running git version [23:56] 1088.33 real 890.37 user 132.80 sys [23:56] what units are those [23:56] fuck [23:56] seconds...? [23:56] 18 min [23:56] same thing [23:56] yea [23:56] k [23:56] what cpu [23:56] 18.133 mins [23:56] E5430 [23:57] i mean [23:57] L5430 [23:57] 2.66 GHz [23:57] mine is an E5420 [23:57] 2.5ghz [23:57] slightly slower [23:57] CPU: QEMU Virtual CPU version 0.11.50 (2500.08-MHz K8-class CPU) [23:57] what qemu are you running [23:57] but i bet i have a lot more VMs running ;) [23:57] thought it was a new box [23:57] i' [23:57] i'm only runing one [23:58] are you running it with qcow [23:58] $ dmesg | grep CPU [23:58] CPU: QEMU Virtual CPU version 0.9.1 (2666.81-MHz K8-class CPU) [23:58] cpu0: on acpi0 [23:58] no, LVM [23:58] root 18792 41.8 12.9 1190688 1061084 pts/1 Sl+ 23:17 17:09 qemu-system-x86_64 disk0.qcow2 -vga std -net nic,model=e1000,macaddr=00:11:22:33:44:55 -net tap -monitor stdio -vnc 127.0.0.1:2 -m 1024 [23:58] shit [23:58] 42$ [23:58] 42% [23:58] wasn't like that before. [23:59] you think lvm/qcow would have that big of a difference