#arpnetworks 2009-11-03,Tue

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up_the_irons	coil: you never saw [FBI] before ? that bot has been in here since the channel started ;)	[11:35]
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ersoy	hello	[12:24]
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mhoran	Howdy.	[12:31]
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ersoy	I saw your page in google directory I want to vps	[12:36]
mike-burns	In short, http://arpnetworks.com/vps and you can do everything via the Web.	[12:37]
ersoy	i want debian lenny, i do not want the control panel ok When the system is activated?	[12:41]
mike-burns	ASAP; as soon as up_the_irons does it.	[12:42]
ersoy	can i use iptables on vps?	[12:42]
mike-burns	That's the Linux competitor for pf right?	[12:43]
ballen	yea linux's default firewall	[12:43]
mike-burns	If so, yeah go ahead. If you want your system to be monitored you need to allow one IP to ping it.	[12:44]
ballen	ersoy: you can do anything you'd be able to do on your own local box	[12:44]
mhoran	ersoy: You can basically run anything. You get root, it's your box, do what you'd like. :)	[12:44]
ersoy	sorry i dont know *bsd	[12:44]
mike-burns	ersoy: Do anything with your packet filtering, but allow 208.79.89.243 to ping it.	[12:45]
ersoy	Some system administrators do not allow iptables on vps asked for it thanks how can i set rdns ? control panel or named ?	[12:47]
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mike-burns	You have to email support@ for rdns, currently. (Note:I haven't looked at the control panel in months.)	[12:50]
mhoran	For a single rDNS entry, mail support@.	[12:51]
ersoy	and and finish do you have ddos protection on your systems	[12:52]
mhoran	up_the_irons will allocate rDNS for larger blocks if necessary.	[12:52]
mike-burns	I know of no DDoS protection.	[12:52]
ballen	ersoy, ddos will likely be a on response support issue. in general do all you can to avoid such things from happening though	[12:54]
ersoy	what is the baklava mean?	[12:58]
ballen	isn't baklava a greek dessert	[12:59]
ersoy	yes turkish dessert :) credit card problem is not from turkey?	[13:00]
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jeev	are you planning on getting any ddos?	[14:18]
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toddf	http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=125729287502801&w=2 for entertainment and also a security warning	[16:37]
mike-burns	While I hate his writing style, I can't think of a better way to write it.	[16:38]
up_the_irons	toddf: is this related to NULL page mapping, or w/e?	[16:39]
toddf	yes	[16:39]
up_the_irons	yeah ,that's been going around...	[16:39]
toddf	its a short read, I must leave for supper, you probably already are aware, just adding fuel to the fire	[16:39]
up_the_irons	i sense some insecurities	[16:42]
mhoran	Oh, finally made it to the OpenBSD mailing lists, eh? Been on FreeBSD for months ...	[16:44]
up_the_irons	the post by linus, referenced on the bottom, i had read before (when he first posted it ;) mhoran: which one? looks like Theo posted that semi-rant today...	[16:44]
mhoran	All the talk about mapping to 0.	[16:46]
up_the_irons	ah gotcha	[16:47]
mhoran	(Which allowed me to root my T-mobile G1. Hooray!)	[16:47]
up_the_irons	hahaha nice	[16:48]
jeev	i wish blackberry was more like the iphone	[16:48]
mhoran	Bah. There is nothing good about the iPhone.	[16:49]
jeev	i bet i could have more fun with an iPhone if i were bored than a blackberry frankly, other than sending messages, there is nothing fun on a blackberry	[16:49]
mhoran	If my phone did my laundry, I'd be happy.	[16:49]
jeev	anyone try rebuilding freebsd on their vps ?	[16:49]
mhoran	Hm. That isn't so far-fetched.	[16:50]
jeev	i wonder how long it takes	[16:51]
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mike-burns	mhoran: If you use your washing machine as your dirty clothes storage and you hooked some sort of computer with Internet to your laundry machine, you'd be halways there.	[17:03]
mhoran	Genius!	[17:03]
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jeev	i need to consolidate my servers and retire some	[17:19]
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	real 111m45.912s damn, to rebuild 7.2-p4 on 'time make buildworld' but i ran qemu with -smp 2. woops E5420, 2.5ghz x 4 that's a long ass time.	[17:41]
up_the_irons	that seems quite slow	[17:42]
jeev	maybe cause i didn't -j2 ? or -j4 or whatever CPU: QEMU Virtual CPU version 0.11.50 (2500.08-MHz K8-class CPU) FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs hmm	[17:42]
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Ta\|isman	hi	[18:09]
up_the_irons	welcome Ta\|isman	[18:10]
Ta\|isman	how is your day going? or evening depending	[18:10]
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Ta\|isman	I have been speaking with OBsidieth, and he speaks highly of you I wasn't quite understanding how he was explaining the thing though so I figured I would come speak with you	[18:12]
up_the_irons	ok	[18:12]
Ta\|isman	so I sign up on the site in the topic? no paypal? these are real dedicated resources, or user shasred?	[18:12]
up_the_irons	no paypal arpnetworks.com/vps for more info find something you like, click "Order" RAM is dedicated, disk is dedicated disk space, that is CPU is shared	[18:13]
vxp	lorf sup Ta\|isman	[18:15]
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Ta\|isman	k sup vx how you doin bra "HB" ok up Imma git wun	[18:18]
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ballen	http://status.slicehost.com/2009/11/3/dfw-interruption-2 hah hmm since when did I become a channel op? I feel special now	[22:08]
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vxp	mentally challenged	[22:13]
ballen	nah not special ed	[22:14]
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up_the_irons	ballen: http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log/arpnetworks?date=2009-11-01,Sun&sel=26#l22	[22:50]
ballen	mmk	[22:51]
up_the_irons	ballen: we had a trolling problem	[22:54]
ballen	k will de-troll the channel if needed	[22:54]
up_the_irons	i probably shouldn't auto-op (freenode suggestion), but instead allow one to op themselves if needed de-troll!	[22:54]
ballen	whichever	[22:55]
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ballen	can I not op myself currently?	[22:57]
up_the_irons	ballen: yes, you can, but in case you didn't want to be op'd unless needed, you'd have to de-op yourself every time you joined	[22:57]
ballen	whats the command to op myself?	[23:00]
visinin	/msg chanserv op #arpnetworks ballen i think	[23:00]
up_the_irons	"Rackspace has experienced a service interruption during tonight’s scheduled maintenance on UPS Cluster G."	[23:00]
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up_the_irons	ballen: /mode #arpnetworks +o ballen ballen: oh i guess the chanserv one worked too ;)	[23:01]
ballen	ah forgot to add the channel	[23:01]
up_the_irons	so if rackspace had a power outage, god help us...	[23:01]
ballen	yea rackspace has been having some issues	[23:01]
up_the_irons	i always find this a constant though: "The PDUs were down for a total of about 5 minutes" makes me wanna install some local APC UPS's in my cabs	[23:01]
ballen	yea damn things as somewhat expensive though	[23:02]
up_the_irons	right and I'm paying a lot for UPS power already N+1 redundant and all that stuff	[23:02]
ballen	so I got an epic downtime notice today at work	[23:03]
up_the_irons	but still	[23:03]
ballen	warning me of a downtime of 50 milliseconds	[23:03]
up_the_irons	things fail, no matter how hard you try so you gotta be prepared, and a UPS would carry one through a 5 minute disruption ballen: 50 ms, really?	[23:03]
ballen	yea true	[23:03]
up_the_irons	UPS = local rack UPS	[23:04]
ballen	yea, enterprise wide telco and all	[23:04]
up_the_irons	wow but still... 50 ms	[23:04]
ballen	yea not worried about it at all	[23:04]
up_the_irons	haha	[23:04]
ballen	thats less time then typical round trip of a single packet	[23:04]
up_the_irons	yeah	[23:05]
ballen	thought it was funny though	[23:05]
up_the_irons	LOL: "Service to Cloud sites has been restored and we are continuing to work with Cloud sites customers to bring them online" wait, but if you're on the "Cloud" it is never supposed to go down, it is THE CLOUD	[23:05]
ballen	yep silly the cloud needs a good catchy term for when it crashes whats the antithesis of "THE CLOUD"	[23:05]
visinin	cloudburst bahahaha	[23:07]
ballen	hmm	[23:08]
up_the_irons	ballen: what makes clouds go away?	[23:08]
visinin	i find that a lot funnier than i think it actually is	[23:08]
up_the_irons	dryness?	[23:08]
ballen	high pressure	[23:08]
up_the_irons	DROUGHT	[23:08]
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up_the_irons	HIGH PRESSURE	[23:08]
ballen	drought is more antithesis of water/rain	[23:08]
up_the_irons	HIGH PRESSURE COLLISION	[23:08]
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ballen	not catchy enough	[23:08]
up_the_irons	ballen: right, but if it is dry, there's little moisture in the air, so clouds don't form, no?	[23:09]
ballen	true, thinking common mass media mindset here something that would really stick	[23:09]
up_the_irons	"Yeah all these constant issues with the Cloud Site is a very big concern for my company and I. We have spend a lot of time migrating over to Cloud Site and we have discovered that it is not as reliable as the 99.9% uptime Rackspace had promised" <-- this is somewhat typical, it is a "new" platform, it's gonna have kinks	[23:09]
ballen	heh	[23:10]
up_the_irons	actually, 99.9% uptime still leaves room for like an hour a month, doesn't it? up_the_irons breaks out bc	[23:10]
ballen	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_availability 8.76 hours a year which I think they're still under	[23:10]
up_the_irons	43.2 minutes a month, by my calculation	[23:11]
ballen	yep for 30 day months	[23:12]
up_the_irons	i can see why google does away with centralized UPSs, and just battery backs the individual server right, 30 days	[23:12]
ballen	yea I absolutely love that model wish someone would offer in server battery commercially offers a number of benefits so does Arp Networks offer six nines availability?	[23:13]
jeev	i've gotta find out why it's taking 27 minutes for me to build kernel on my kvm box vs 19 on arp	[23:15]
ballen	because the ARP box is faster?	[23:16]
up_the_irons	jeev: what command exactly you using to build your kernel?	[23:16]
jeev	time make buildkernel KERNCONF=BOX for example. let me try running without -smp 2 our cpu differences are what, 166 mhz maybe cause i'm using a .qcow2.. i mean i dunno	[23:16]
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up_the_irons	ballen: never calculated exactly. I definitely don't want 45 minutes downtime per month. I'd say, realistically, we're looking at more like 5 - 10, and always off-peak and planned. Most outages are just for kernel security patches up_the_irons raises fits at Linux	[23:18]
ballen	up_the_irons, was kidding six nines of downtime is a crazy goal like 32 seconds in a year	[23:19]
up_the_irons	jeev: i'm trying that on my new box, let's see LOL	[23:19]
ballen	99.9999% a common "idea" around the dot com bust	[23:19]
up_the_irons	haha i've never understood this: http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000RM2U&total_watts=50 WHY, APC, WHY can't you give me a UPS with twist-lock OUTPUTS that's a deal breaker	[23:19]
ballen	hmm can you do 208v?	[23:20]
jeev	what you running on the new box ubunti?	[23:20]
ballen	http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000RMT2U&total_watts=50 I have that in my rack at the moment although I can't remember if they are twist lock hmmm thinking thinking yes they are because my PDU for the rack used to be plugged into the wall which is twist lock	[23:21]
up_the_irons	ballen: I don't have 208V. See, that one you have, is perfect, I just need the 120V version which I don't know if it exists	[23:24]
ballen	hmm lame	[23:24]
up_the_irons	L5-20R or L5-30R outputs would do fine WHOA http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000R3XLNETPKG&total_watts=1800 there it has one man, pricey	[23:24]
jeev	i'm so annoyed	[23:25]
ballen	yea networked bumps the price	[23:25]
jeev	just get the old school AP9616's hahah or whatever they were that what i use and will always use	[23:26]
ballen	yea 120v is lame	[23:27]
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up_the_irons	this would work: http://www.tripplite.com/en/products/model.cfm?txtSeriesID=659&EID=13790&txtModelID=3023 but tripplite just doesn't look as nice and doesn't have the reputation of APC i'm a fan of APC products, been very reliable for me	[23:32]
ballen	hmm Tripplite yea I'd stick with APC	[23:33]
up_the_irons	yeah, look, the one i was looking at that has the right output: http://www.provantage.com/apc-sua3000r3xlnetpkg~4AMP91R1.htm $1402.61 on Provantage which isn't too bad the tripplite is about $1000 on Provantage so the savings would be $400, not too much if there were any problems with the tripplite	[23:37]
ballen	http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/534049-REG/APC_SUA3000RMXL3U_Smart_UPS_XL_3000VA_RM.html bought my Nikon D300 from B&H why not a UPS	[23:40]
up_the_irons	iiinteresting ouchie, $220 to ship it is heavy Provantage wants $188 to ship	[23:41]
ballen	yea	[23:42]
up_the_irons	Provantage doesn't charge tax, which is nice	[23:43]
ballen	I'd go with the white glove in home action	[23:43]
up_the_irons	LOL i've had customers ship me stuff with FedEx White Glove trucks entire cabs it was awesome, they do everything	[23:43]
ballen	"everything" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842101177	[23:45]
up_the_irons	no twist lock outputs	[23:49]
ballen	http://www.lacc.com/product.asp?pf_id=SUA3000RMXL3U-R&gkw=SUA3000RMXL3U-R&gad=CMmoy6ADEgjAzwOV645uHRiX_r3-AyDRkIA6 ah I change models ?	[23:49]
up_the_irons	yeah SUA3000R3XLNETPKG http://www.lacc.com/product.asp?pf_id=SUA3000R3XLNETPKG%2DR no pick but referb is sure cheaper *refurb	[23:51]
ballen	seems like this is not an area to go with refurb	[23:53]
up_the_irons	srsly	[23:53]
jeev	up_the_irons, let me know how fast yours goes mine is still in the 30's upper 20's, low 30's, to build but im doing a slightly lesser kernel, no wifi and shit	[23:55]
up_the_irons	oh yeah	[23:56]
jeev	maybe it's just my kernel or qemu-kvm and stuff im running git version	[23:56]
up_the_irons	1088.33 real 890.37 user 132.80 sys what units are those fuck seconds...?	[23:56]
jeev	18 min same thing yea	[23:56]
up_the_irons	k	[23:56]
jeev	what cpu	[23:56]
up_the_irons	18.133 mins E5430 i mean L5430 2.66 GHz	[23:56]
jeev	mine is an E5420 2.5ghz	[23:57]
up_the_irons	slightly slower	[23:57]
jeev	CPU: QEMU Virtual CPU version 0.11.50 (2500.08-MHz K8-class CPU) what qemu are you running	[23:57]
up_the_irons	but i bet i have a lot more VMs running ;)	[23:57]
jeev	thought it was a new box i' i'm only runing one are you running it with qcow	[23:57]
up_the_irons	$ dmesg \| grep CPU CPU: QEMU Virtual CPU version 0.9.1 (2666.81-MHz K8-class CPU) cpu0: <ACPI CPU> on acpi0 no, LVM	[23:58]
jeev	root 18792 41.8 12.9 1190688 1061084 pts/1 Sl+ 23:17 17:09 qemu-system-x86_64 disk0.qcow2 -vga std -net nic,model=e1000,macaddr=00:11:22:33:44:55 -net tap -monitor stdio -vnc 127.0.0.1:2 -m 1024 shit 42$ 42% wasn't like that before. you think lvm/qcow would have that big of a difference	[23:58]

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