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[06:37] <mhoran> up_the_irons: Thanks for the DC shots!
[06:38] <up_the_irons> mhoran: no prob!
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[06:39] <mhoran> Anyone have experience with the new Intel Nehalem procs and Ubuntu/Xen/KVM?
[06:40] <mhoran> We're purchasing some new hardware and I have to determine if they are any good.
[06:40] <mhoran> Sounds like there are some new virtualization extensions in that release.
[06:41] <up_the_irons> are there?
[06:42] <up_the_irons> I have no experience with them wrt virt, but they are blazing for NAT / Load Balancing
[06:43] <up_the_irons> (on Ubuntu)
[06:43] <mhoran> Nifty.
[06:44] <mhoran> Well, at least it works with Ubuntu. I'll have to do some more research, though.
[06:45] <mhoran> We're still running Hardy as we need to stick to LTS releases.
[06:45] <up_the_irons> yeah it works great with Ubuntu
[06:47] * mhoran can't wait to move off Xen, or at least for paravirt_ops to somehow magically gain momentum and become 100% stable.
[06:47] <up_the_irons> toddf: that's interesting, thanks for the info
[06:47] <up_the_irons> mhoran: KVM FTW!
[06:48] <mhoran> Ever find out what that panic was from the other day?
[07:09] <up_the_irons> mhoran: nothing definitive; i suspect maybe changing the subnet mask on the interface that carried DRBD traffic might have done something; only b/c the timing of the events were so close
[07:15] <toddf> up_the_irons: I learned that technique from the fact that isc did it internally .. specifically to permit hosts having stable v6 link local and global addresses while still using rtsol
[07:37] <up_the_irons> toddf: ah, i c
[08:25] <toddf> though I've had some say that practice is harmful as it makes scanning for hosts easy if you use a range instead of a random # and/or euid
[08:25] <toddf> making the router easy to find seems practical to me for the virtual hosts, even if only the link local has 'inet6 alias fe80::1' ;-)
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[09:28] <jeev> fedex smashed the shit out of my kvm server
[09:32] <mhoran> :(
[09:32] <mhoran> jeev: Any luck building a Xen kernel that's not 2.6.18, with working live migration (suspend/resume) and other things not broken?
[09:32] <jeev> i bet i wont get the insurance money
[09:33] <jeev> mhoran, i built 2.6.31.5
[09:33] <jeev> i have never tested suspend/resume
[09:33] <jeev> i've got an errorless boot up now
[09:33] <mhoran> Nifty.
[09:33] <mhoran> What Xen release are you running? 3.4?
[09:33] <jeev> yea
[09:33] <mhoran> I spent months trying to get that shit to work. Ended up just running a kernel from years ago, beacuse one release would break some feature, and the next another.
[09:33] <mhoran> It was awful.
[09:34] <jeev> hmm
[09:34] <jeev> what do you want me to test?
[09:34] <mhoran> But now we're ordering some new servers with Nehalem procs, and I don't think the version of the kernel we're running supports them.
[09:34] <jeev> my kvm server is on now but i can never use the kvm over ip port
[09:34] <mhoran> Do you have a rig set up that can do live migrations? With shared storage?
[09:34] <jeev> half of it smashed off
[09:34] <mhoran> Man, that sucks.
[09:38] <mhoran> SO the issue I was seeing was that after migration, the VM's clock would lock up and would eventually bring the VM down. No good.
[09:39] <jeev> anyone ever file a fedex claim ?
[09:39] <jeev> mhoran, i'm not set up for "live migrations" :/
[09:39] <jeev> i mean i could set up a second box
[09:39] <jeev> well i do have another xen box
[09:39] <mhoran> Maybe I'll give 2.6.31 a shot.
[09:39] <jeev> but it's debian
[09:40] <jeev> what distro both ways
[09:41] <jeev> Error: Domain is not managed by Xend lifecycle support.
[09:41] <jeev> heh
[09:41] <jeev> i tried to suspend from the debian one
[09:41] <mhoran> Whoops.
[09:42] <jeev> i guess i should read up on that
[09:43] <jeev> http://markmail.org/thread/7mimqp6telzrx4xk
[09:43] <jeev> no answer
[09:49] <jeev> sec, i started it wrong
[09:49] <jeev> should be xm new
[10:04] <jeev> ok sec
[10:08] <jeev> how long does suspend command take :D
[10:08] <jeev> heh
[10:08] <jeev> 3 sec
[10:21] <jeev> welll let me know when you're bck
[10:21] <jeev> bck
[10:21] <jeev> back
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[12:35] <jeev> if i have to end up buying a new box
[12:35] <jeev> wonder if i should get a supermicro
[12:37] <up_the_irons> jeev: +1 supermicro
[12:39] <jeev> i dont wann blow too much money on it
[12:39] <jeev> it's for a kvm server which i'm not gonna make any money off ;)
[12:40] <up_the_irons> jeev: they have low end ones
[12:40] <mhoran> up_the_irons: I considered building some boxes a while back, but found pre-built systems (Dell, IBM, HP) to actually be less, including the support.
[12:40] <jeev> what are those barebone supermicro's
[12:40] <jeev> at like 599
[12:40] <jeev> toss in ram, cpu
[12:40] <mhoran> Did you find the opposite?
[12:40] <up_the_irons> jeev: you can go even cheaper; if i don't make my own boxes, i get pre-built ones from these guys: abmx.com
[12:40] <mhoran> Ah.
[12:41] <up_the_irons> mhoran: building my own was cheaper than what abmx.com charged me
[12:42] <up_the_irons> mhoran: i did not compare to Dell, but I find Dell's site fucking confusing
[12:42] <mhoran> Yeah.
[12:43] <jeev> hmm
[12:43] <jeev> if i get insurance, i'll be happy
[12:44] <jeev> what can i build with like 1k
[12:44] <jeev> the current server i have is 8gb, 2x73gig sas, E5420
[12:44] <jeev> the damn thing totalled at around 2300
[12:44] <up_the_irons> mhoran: price this -- 2x Intel Xeon Quad Core Low Voltage @ 2.66 GHz (L5430), 32 GB RAM, 8x 1TB SATA drives, IPMI 2.0 card, 3ware 9650SE-8LPML RAID card with BBU, motherboard capable of running all this, I2C cable for 3ware / SM backplane; 1.6' IPMI cable
[12:44] <up_the_irons> mhoran: bet Dell would be higher than what I paid
[12:45] <up_the_irons> mhoran: and f'in Dell gives you those DISGUSTING LSI RAID controllers with the CLI from Hell
[12:45] <mhoran> They used to sell the 3ware cards, but not anymore. :(
[12:45] <up_the_irons> yup
[12:46] <toddf> LSI is supported by OpenBSD .. 3ware is proprietary closed source garbage
[12:47] <toddf> ;-)
[12:47] <up_the_irons> toddf: o'rly?
[12:47] <up_the_irons> 3ware works awesome on Linux ;)
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[12:48] <mhoran> FreeBSD, too.
[12:49] <up_the_irons> toddf: are you sure?
[12:49] <up_the_irons> "Download the latest 3w-9xxx.tgz source code file from www.3ware.com"
[12:51] <ballen> have you compared 3ware's against Highpoint RocketRaids
[12:51] <up_the_irons> it's actually included with the Linux kernel too
[12:51] <up_the_irons> ballen: i have not
[12:51] <ballen> they've always had good drivers
[12:51] <ballen> and cli
[12:52] <up_the_irons> even FreeBSD driver source is available: FreeBSD6_driver_source_9550SX.zip
[12:52] <up_the_irons> right on 3ware's site
[12:53] * up_the_irons wonders if toddf is mistaken...
[12:53] <mhoran> Pretty sure the OSS community has embraced 3ware for a while.
[12:53] <jeev> would you get something like this
[12:53] <jeev> http://cgi.ebay.com/Supermicro-Barebone-Server-6016T-MT-Dual-Nehalem-1U_W0QQitemZ270426800811QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCOMP_EN_Servers?hash=item3ef6b182ab
[12:53] <jeev> and then put shit in it
[12:53] <up_the_irons> ballen: i love their CLI.  Simple, but gives you all the power
[12:53] <up_the_irons> jeev: can u tinyurl that
[12:54] <jeev> http://tinyurl.com/yhd7mfp
[12:56] <up_the_irons> mhoran: just checked -- I can't find a Dell with the 5400 procs, and I don't want to pay the 5500 premium just cuz they're new
[12:56] <up_the_irons> otherwise, I could make a comparison
[12:56] <ballen> the R300 doesn't have them?
[12:56] <jeev> what you think up_the_irons
[12:57] <up_the_irons> jeev: that looks like a nice case
[12:57] <up_the_irons> jeev: board too, huh?
[12:57] <up_the_irons> jeev: supports a decent amount of ram
[12:59] <up_the_irons> jeev: i'd say that is a nice barebones; i don't know how the price compares though
[13:00] <up_the_irons> ballen: the R300 seems to support 5400 a bit, but is 1U (i like 2U for virtualization so i can pack in the drives)
[13:01] <up_the_irons> jeev: if I were getting a case for mission critical stuff, i'd make sure it has dual power supplies
[13:01] <up_the_irons> jeev: that one doesn't
[13:03] <up_the_irons> jeev: if that server had dual PS, I'd get it and build a backup router out of it; would pop in a Intel dual port card, or maybe even quad; so a total of 6 ports
[13:05] <toddf> 3ware will only release code not docs, writing openbsd drivers that use 3ware with e.g. bioctl would be how OpenBSD would implement it, not one interface per raid interface ..
[13:06] <toddf> and gleaning docs from code written for an entirely different interface is the pain indeed
[13:08] <up_the_irons> toddf: i c
[13:08] <up_the_irons> too bad
[13:18] <dbgi> hi
[13:35] <jeev> if anyone knows someone who's filed a claim through fedex
[13:35] <jeev> if you could ask them what to exepct..
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[13:44] <toddf> I can't recall the carrier but I did something in the past, where a monitor was busted up real bad and the package was bad, and the person above me at the time said wait do not open lets take lots of pictures
[13:44] <toddf> before we open the package
[13:44] <toddf> iirc you have to prove they have punctured the package and stuff, but they'll make that clear to you when you try to get the insurance money
[13:45] <jeev> i have pictures of the package punctured
[13:45] <jeev> datacenter which i've never ever dealt with before told me
[13:45] <jeev> "it's obvious it was thrown around"
[13:53] <jeev> pictures of the box show nasty damage to the corners
[13:53] <jeev> and a puncture or two
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[17:36] <mick_laptop> hi everyone, anyone know if OpenBSD 4.6 is supported?
[17:36] <ballen> up_the_irons your attention is required re: mick_laptop
[17:36] <up_the_irons> mick_laptop: I only have template for 4.5, but a couple guys running -current say it works fine, you just need to keep this in mind: http://scie.nti.st/2009/10/4/running-openbsd-4-5-in-kvm-on-ubuntu-linux-9-04
[17:37] <up_the_irons> *templates
[17:37] <mick_laptop> thanks
[17:37] <up_the_irons> mick_laptop: the same applies for 4.6
[17:39] <up_the_irons> I think it's about time I make some 4.6 templates and try out that new installer I've been hearing so much about :)
[17:39] <mick_laptop> :)
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[21:37] <ballen> http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4765
[22:12] <jeev> nasty
[22:14] <jeev> they have so many clients
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[23:10] <up_the_irons> jeev: yeah, linode is huge
[23:13] <jeev> i dont trust big providers to be honest
[23:13] <up_the_irons> harder for them to scale; more to manage
[23:14] <up_the_irons> everything is slower b/c they have more customers to deal with
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[23:14] <up_the_irons> big providers have pros and cons, just like small providers :)
[23:21] <toddf> despite what one might think, small (and nimble) businesses are in the majority by a large percentage. big companies result from small companies getting efficient at having relatively cheap labor performing complex tasks reliably. then they get too big and everyone still buys from the big company because of marketing and because everyone else is..
[23:22] <up_the_irons> pretty much
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[23:26] <jeev> i'm so sick and tired of firefox using a gig of ram man
[23:26] <jeev> if i have it open longer than a day
[23:26] <jeev> and i open regular window
[23:26] <jeev> s
[23:26] <jeev> shit man
[23:26] <toddf> try midori
[23:26] <toddf> its the new nimble browser of choice
[23:26] <jeev> i'm on vista
[23:26] <jeev> ;)
[23:26] <up_the_irons> yeah, firefox leaks more than the titanic
[23:27] <toddf> jeev: get a real os.. or alternately install kde and try konqueror ;-)
[23:27] <visinin> oh shit midori has adblock
[23:27] <toddf> kde works on m$ now
[23:27] <visinin> sign me the hell up
[23:28] <jeev> i cant play call of duty
[23:28] <jeev> on nix
[23:28] <up_the_irons> I absolutely need Vimperator.  If that plugin worked in another browser, I'd burn FF so fast...
[23:29] <visinin> up_the_irons: have you checked out uzbl?
[23:29] <toddf> supposedly konqueror and midori use mozilla plugins, but I'll let you guys scratch your own itch i.e. be the gunea pigs
[23:30] <up_the_irons> visinin: lol
[23:30] <up_the_irons> [23:26:10]           Tv | aren't you supposed to be swooning over uzbl
[23:30] <up_the_irons> visinin: ^^
[23:30] <visinin> well there we go
[23:30] <hycer> jeev cod and wow are the only reason i run vista too :P
[23:32] <hycer> morning all btw coffee time here ;)
[23:32] <toddf> zzz time here
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[23:35] <up_the_irons> $ midori
[23:35] <up_the_irons> (midori:15265): Gtk-WARNING **: Error loading theme icon 'bookmark-view' for stock: Icon 'bookmark-view' not present in theme
[23:35] <up_the_irons> (midori:15265): Gtk-WARNING **: Error loading theme icon 'tab-close' for stock: Icon 'tab-close' not present in theme
[23:35] <up_the_irons> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[23:35] <up_the_irons> that solves that
[23:36] <up_the_irons> although to be fair, it ran for 5 minutes, was pretty fast
[23:41] <up_the_irons> i like this guy's font: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/_media/acid3.png?cache=
[23:45] <obsidieth> likewise
[23:45] <obsidieth> wait
[23:48] <jeev> i think flashfxp is downloading over sftp slowly.
[23:48] <jeev> dont make me go back to filezilla
[23:49] <jeev> i think it's the calculation