:O
fuck me sideways i do not understand termios
terminals?
Or do you mean termios the serial programming thingy?
the serial programming functions
in particular, struct termios and its associated flags
You know what, i understand it less than you do. Let that be your motivation.
haha
word
If you got a beef with sh or bash, though, I can probably beat some sense into it.
lol
visinin: what kind of serial programming are you doing?
up_the_irons: it's some serial interfacing stuff for a human interface device
a controller for music applications
the problem i'm having is that, in rapid bursts, the serial messages to the controller get mangled and the display on it gets all jacked up
so i think i'm going to try select()ing in the write function and waiting to see if maybe i'm overstuffing a buffer somewhere
ah, flow control
could be
i keep thinking that there's just something i've got to set in one of these _flags
tcdrain() looks like it might help
let's see
well, hah!
that seems to do the trick.
now onto makefile restructuring
hi, i was wondering which and what policies were to be of relevance given an [ingress] [d]DoS attack destined at a VPS within the network
e.g. overage bandwidth billing, ...
was there a reset or something last night?
kernel panick
panic*
awesome
Yep.
blarg, I can't remember my portal pass and I'm not at home... could someone remind me of the VNC IP
baklava: each unique physical server has a different ip..
baklava_: nevermind the VNC IP, if you don't know that, you won't know your port either ;)
vxp: if you're asking about inbound DoS attack right off the bat, I probably don't want you as a customer ;)
lorf
tru say
jesus christ Linux: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/USN-852-1
lots of those are local exploits; sure glad the only box where others can login is an OpenBSD one ;)
prolly should not use linux ;-0
up_the_irons: I just reset my password and grabbed it from my e-mail. I actually remembered the port because TightVNC always seems to truncate it to 2 digits when it is run
baklava_: ah, LOL, ok :)
ballen: nothing else runs KVM/QEMU as well as Linux though; oh well
yea I know...
sucks
slackware on xen is 31337
non vt/amd-v capable lol
too bad some of my servers are old shits now
haha
the unixbench on wht scores better than my arp server
but tha's because freebsd benchmark is very lo wlol
but when comparing debian on the box to slackware, slackware is 4 total points higher
i wonder if i did a bench on arp runnin glinux, how much itd be
probably double
alpha, but promising if they can pull it off: http://lwn.net/Articles/357910/
indeed, though I question the lack of security measures
up_the_irons: thats a very neat project
yeah
love to see perf numbers on that
lame written in java
though one could easily say 'put it on its own vlan' or whatever, since fiberchannel has zero security too
java?
http://www.osrg.net/sheepdog/usage.html
ballen: written in java?
omfg
EPIFAIL
EPICFAIL
glad we're all on the same page then
lots of .c and .h in the (small) srcs to be java fully
yea its just the dog portion of the program
and I've yet to discover what that does
yea no idea
todd@liberty/p7 ~/sheepdog-2009102101/dog/src/net/osrg/sheepdog¦1585$ pwd
/home/todd/sheepdog-2009102101/dog/src/net/osrg/sheepdog
todd@liberty/p7 ~/sheepdog-2009102101/dog/src/net/osrg/sheepdog¦1586$ ls
ClusterInformation.java    MasterGroup.java           SheepdogException.java
I think its the agent on the storage nodes
Connection.java            Node.java                  SuperObject.java
ConnectionCallback.java    NodeList.java              VdiOperator.java
DirEntry.java              NodeLogOperator.java       headers/
Inode.java                 ObjectOperator.java        messages/
Log.java                   OpCode.java
Master.java                Sheepdog.java
this does not look good
java's usually fast, just takes up a lot of memory
and is lame as hell to install
Yeah, my only issue with Java is the installation.
I have a friend who likes to use it because it is portable
yea
portable my ass, which version of java does what random java program want?
Is it?
thats the whole point of java
so you end up needing N jdk's for M programs
its portable
it is capable of being ported sure
ballen: Nah, the whole point of Java is C++ with GC.
mmk
The whole "write once, run everywhere" was slapped on by marketing after the fact.
so anyone have like a 80 node cluster laying around we could set this sucker up on
ah
my OpenBSD/macppc and OpenBSD/sparc and OpenBSD/zaurus and OpenBSD/sgi and OpenBSD/alpha and OpenBSD/hppa and OpenBSD/sparc64 and OpenBSD/mac68k systems have _no hope_ of running java
yea
nice zaurus
no java on OpenBSD
I had to join #freebsd to figure out how to install Java.
can run it on FreeBSD though
java works fine on i386 and amd64
heh
just that porting it to other archs is pain
and the one person who does a lot of OpenBSD work only has so much time...
java is hardly portable; honestly, more code written in C runs on more platforms than any other language on the planet; this about that for a sec
that and to bootstrap w/out native bins from another arch one must have gcj and other things that are not fully working on random archs etc
s/this/think/
Lots of high-level languages (with compilers/interpreters written in C) will run everywhere; Ruby, Scheme, Python, etc.
I agree. java is the least ported language. however, if you consider the %'age of users running systems capable of running java, things start to change, vs %'age of platforms and os's and such..
Yup, it's like Flash.
except flash works on my OpenBSD/macppc via gnash (well sortof but better than nothing)
wonder how much load Sheepdog would put on your network and relistically what you would need to run a cluster
one or two systems
I also note the lack of IPv6 support
mike-burns: the thing with that is, if you can't run the interpreter, your code can't be ported to that platform (think embedded systems).  so in a sense, C is more portal than Ruby, Python, etc...  it has less dependencies
up_the_irons: Agreed.
s/portal/portable/
(And s/less/fewer/)
the only case of AF_INET6 in their whole tree has to do with binding to a socket, and I daresay that's to support the abhorrent practice of v4 mapped v6 addressing in loonix
ballen: bonding a couple GigE NICs, for just the I/O backend, for throughput of 2 Gbps full-duplex, would probably take care of any network issues
Pure historical coincidence that C is so portable; systems people just decided to port C instead of whatevre other langauges were lying around at the time (LISP, Smalltalk, FORTH, etc.). Good marketing helps.
ballen: the disks would be slower
up_the_irons: problem being your writting out to X number of nodes for replication
toddf: funny, Qsource (not present) who is a FreeBSD guy, always calls Linux "lunix" ;)
ballen: yeah, there's gonna be some slowness there; only question is "how much"
ballen: and can the replication happen asynchronously ?
yep exactly
the concept in general seems decent
wth, my S.M.A.R.T. munin plugins don't work after a reboot on this new box..   but after a fiddle, they work again; not sure what i did
smart is dumb sometimes
if you have a large number of systems it could read from mem cache if it were actively reading/writing to/from blocks
mike-burns: yeah
it also reminds me a lot about gfs
man im getting like 100 bad auth attempts an hour
obsidieth: same IP, or different?
different.
all compromised
its like
ah
random girl or service name with no password
ive seen it before, but not this much
foreign cable lines afaik
 obsidieth: just turn off password auth
i c
theres a reasonable amount of people using it :|
i mean i could, but id rather not
hi @ sshguard
its like 2 attempts per ip, ish.
yea sshguard is good
if you're running pf on FreeBSD or OpenBSD theres an easy way built in to it
oh here we go
hi @ solely pass'ing TCP:22 for the subset of known IP addresses
http://charles.the-haleys.org/ssh_dictionary_attacks.php
lots are in that.
success
so bored
write a blogging engine
done that: http://github.com/unilogic/scanty-redis
well thats a fork
but heavily modified
haha
touche
rewrite it in haskell
fuck that
not really a fan of anything thats not ruby
well that's just a shame
meh not really
you should try erlang!
it is delicious.
I'm sure it is
I really don't want to take the time to learn a new lang
nor do I want a language thats slower to program in
but you've never even used it :(
how can you make such an accusation?
what language is easier than Ruby?
honestly i can't stand ruby
so any of them
:)
python's its main competitor
i rock with python
i mean
i'll backpedal a bit
ruby is a pretty dope language
i just don't like it all that much
and thats how I feel about Python
fair :D
but there are other languages in the world
that there are
haskell and erlang are funky if you're not used to functional stuff
but then you've got, like, lua
or maybe io
why the lucky stiff likes io!
so whats the point of IO
it's a language that does some cool things
just like all the other languages!
lua is pretty damn fast
i found lua pretty damn easy to pick up just by looking
and by learning more languages you will be able to change your perspective on software development as a whole
that is pretty cool
yeah
lua's pretty straightforward
i've only used lua to make imapfilter scripts, but it was a pleasant experience
visinin: yea to be honest I'm very unlikely to pick up a new language
not my forte
fair enough
what do you do mostly, then?
SA
SA?
systems administration
ah, gotcha
and code on stuff for fun
for example http://unilogiclabs.com is a Sinatra app with Redis db backend
which is turns out is not as scalable as I thought it'd be, the redis db part
http://www.arpnetworks.com is a Sinatra app :)
I'd use something like Cassandra, but I really would rather not have to install Java
could make Redis scalable, I have basic hash ring with replication setup
ballen: Java is the evil about Cassandra, true, but we're using it at DigiSynd with great success; it is FREAKIN' FAST!!!!
but no managment of nodes coming and going
up_the_irons: yea I imagine it is
ballen: the nice thing about cassandra is it is inherently redundant; master / slave replication is a major fail for HA
does Cassandra have more complex data structures, sets, list, etc
TODAY IS INTERNATIONAL CAPS LOCK DAY
wtf a search for Cassandra on google turns up some interesting google image results
wtf=btw
wierd
ballen: KEY / VALUE, AND THE VALUES CAN HAVE COLUMS
*COLUMNS
columns eh
chicago boss looks really cool
sooo explain columns
why yes it does: http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/celebs/cassandralynn/cassandra_lynn_1.jpg
thats the one
ballen: like google BigTable
YOU GUYS APPARENTLY DON'T BELIEVE ME: http://capslockday.com/
nah just annoying
LOL
it'd be an interesting study to search for girls first names
compare google image results
make conclusions based on name
yea it looks like Cassandra can emulate any data structure i'd need
btw Scribe is a pretty nifty centralized log service if you need such a thing
WHAT DAY IS CAPSLOCK DAY?
omg
CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
FINE
OCTOBER 22
BTW
http://github.com/NZKoz/cassandra_object/
I remapped Caps Lock to CNTRL a lloooooooooooong time ago.
LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD DUE NICELY
CAPSLOCKDAY.COM has very little CAPSLOCK on it.
oh, you mean TYPE IN CAPS LOCK, not throw around the little caps lock keys...
Apparently the page maintainer can't speel verry gud. "Good night sweat prince"
http://caps-lock.blogspot.com/
well
There is a fight going on in Caps Lock land.
lol
Tomorrow is International Num Lock day.
what in the hell is that
Hard to detect in IRC that's for sure.
Next tuesday is International Overwrite Day.
See... originally I wrote "monday" and then "overwrote" monday with tuesday and you were none the wiser. Very cool day indeed.
sigh...
it's been a long day. curse you up_the_irons
lol
CURSE YOU up_the_irons
wow
caps lock day
that would be terrible
up_the_irons started it
secretly he is behind CAPS LOCK DAY
http://bugs.irssi.org/index.php?do=details&task_id=712
har
"Lunch break is over already. Elementary school awaits you."
Haha.
obsidieth: LOL, ON BEHALF OF CAPS-LOCK DAY CELEBRANTS THE WORLD OVER. AND YES, IT IS STILL CAPS-LOCK DAY HERE IN MY ZONE.
Tomorrow is ran.do!m p-unc`ua%tio)n $da^y.
... but instead will go pour a glass of wine and shut off the displays for awhile, to the delight of a few.
BAH I MISSED CAPS LOCK DAY!
to bad
hycer?
hycer: welcome to #arpnetworks, don't think I've seen you around before
Hey Garry ya i just love to change nick sometimes :P
LOL
HAH
well NEVERMIND THEN
whats wrong? :O
nothing :)
Some of my friends with bigger hosting companies all have Facebook pages for their co.  One day, I will probably break down and have to do the same
what in the world would Arp Networks possibly gain from doing that
Facebook is a stupid platform
just everyone and the freaking brother happens to be on it
who knows
I guess more SEO
I'd gain FANS
;)
gawd
yea i don't care
anyone know if its possible to jigger two 110 circuits to output 220v
ballen: yes, it is, if they are of opposite phase
yea?
ballen: that's actually how it is done, just at the breaker panel
ah yea that makes sense
since each leg of 220 is a 110 circuit
ballen: exactly
so thinking apartment wiring
figuring out if I could run a 220v espresso machine
figuring I couple of options
spliter on the oven
i remember seeing a device that would take 2 110V inputs and give you a 220V, and it detected the phase and such
http://www.quick220.com
yup, that's it
if  your oven is 220v, I would just split that
curious why its so expensive
yea just have to check amperages on the machine and oven
not sure
I'd hate to burn the apartment down
the espresso machine wouldn't take more than the oven, i don't think...
by accidentally leaving the machine on and turning the oven on
9am here..italian coffee incoming
i suppose that'd just trip the breaker
well, even if you did, if the wiring is correct, it should just trip the breaker
then the only problem would be if the oven is hard wired instead of a plug
right
bah should just keep looking for a 110 machine
yeah
be a different story if I had my own place
i mean, you'd think they make those things with common voltage
yea
220v sounds commercial grade
yea
it is
;-)
hah
big league'in the espresso
but if it is just for you, do you *really* need a commercial grade appliance?
no
theres a lot of used commercial machines on ebay, craigslist, etc for cheap
cheaper than a good prosumer one
thinking lots of cafes are going out of business around the country
or small restaurants offloading some higher cost equipment
ah i c
so its a money/quality thing
Here we use the good old Moka Express :P
wow, bought ram.. shipped to datacenter
minutes away from installing it, i realize that it's fbsd 7.2 i386 ;)
i didn't do 64bit accidently
doesn't 7.2 have PAE by default
and will support more ram just fine
real memory = 3487907840 (3326 MB)
avail memory = 3407319040 (3249 MB)
should have 4x1024
turn on PAE
options            PAE
recompile kernel
or just reinstall x64
very very very very very very very important server
does around 230 megs
i'd get my throat slashed if pae broke
yea there is some fun warning in the handbook
blah blah not very well tested
wouldn't worry about it
its FreeBSD
i cant risk it