[00:06] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4a/BBC_Goatse.cx_Alternative_Olympic_logo.png [00:06] hahahahah [00:06] i guess it's old [06:16] way old but still funny [06:18] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [06:24] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [06:37] i like openbsd, but sometimes i feel where they put their resources is widely misguided: http://www.opencvs.org/ [06:37] come on, really, CVS? [06:38] move to git already [06:45] CVS is the wave of the future. [07:13] sroute: emacs hurts my hands too! thought i was the only one.. and yeah, I do "C-[:wq" in web pages all the time ;) [07:26] mhoran: lol [07:54] *** vtoms has quit IRC ("Leaving.") [08:10] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [08:13] *** heavysixer has quit IRC () [09:03] *** bobbyw has joined #arpnetworks [09:10] *** dbgi2IAm has joined #arpnetworks [09:10] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [09:20] up_the_irons: opencvs is stalled, there has never been a ton of resources thrown at it, a sad thing, since it needs some polishing to be finished.. [09:20] the reasoning for not moving to git is that git encourages the entire opposite development model cvs does [09:20] not that I don't use git to track openbsd stuff privately *grin* [09:21] but the project as a whole functions largely because everybody is encouraged to test things well, and throw it all into one tree everybody uses for testing [09:21] *** dbgi has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [09:28] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [09:51] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [10:33] *** sroute has quit IRC ("WeeChat 0.3.0") [10:54] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [11:37] up_the_irons: whats your montor's IP address [11:43] *** sroute has joined #arpnetworks [11:56] ballen: 208.79.88.56 [11:56] just need pings? [11:57] ballen: yup [11:57] * jeev needs graphs [11:58] * sroute needs beer. [11:58] toddf: what development model would that be? [11:59] up_the_irons: what I described above.. '-current must work, must be stable, everybody runs current' so if everybody is running the same code testing the same code more coverage for corner cases; imagine trying to get 50 different branches the same coverage as one mainline development tree.. [12:00] up_the_irons: your monitor happy with toroa being up? [12:00] ballen: still shows down, gotta wait a couple mins for a re-check [12:00] k [12:01] toddf: so openbsd guys don't branch? but either way, one doesn't *have* to have a lot of different branches, there are still so many things about git that make using version control so much nicer [12:02] toddf: I think test coverage is a red herring in that argument. I do admit that something is lost in a move to a distributed version control system, but since the final release comes from only one of the forks the testing can still happen. [12:04] mike: please tell me that you would only run one mainline tree if there were 50 different branches tantilizing you with features you might wish to play with [12:05] testers get split thin, in openbsd its all about quality engineering, which cannot be done with 50 splinter branches [12:05] (50 is just a random number for arguments sake..) [12:05] Quality vs. quantity. [12:05] toddf: As up_the_irons hinted at, isn't that the same problem as branching in CVS? [12:05] OpenBSD doesn't have nearly as many features as FreeBSD or Linux. [12:05] features are not security. [12:06] quality and security come first above all else. [12:06] but the other argument about features is buttons. [12:06] you don't see a zillion buttons in openbsd. sane defaults prevail, making many lives easier. [12:06] This is off-topic, though; git doesn't have to cause the issues you suggest it causes. [12:07] OpenBSD is useless on a four proc, quad core, 128 GB, 5 TB machine. [12:07] We use git at work, all in one repo. We branch, but we branched in SVN too. [12:07] still, nothing about git _makes_ you branch; i often have trees with only the 'master' branch [12:08] Sometimes I need features to get my job done. If that comes before security, it doesn't matter -- I still have to get my job done. [12:08] mhoran: why won't OpenBSD take a machine that large? [12:09] No virtualization! [12:09] There are better reasons to avoid git. For example, the UI sucks, the programming sucks, and the license isn't what BSD guys would want. [12:09] openbsd can see more mem in current releases [12:09] ballen: just tried pinging your host, it still fails from the monitor [12:09] I have a 4 proc system here that works quite marvelous for bulk builds [12:10] nice [12:11] Anyway, I love OpenBSD, and their mailing list is a good laugh. But, for most applications, it doesn't provide me with what I need. [12:11] However, it ran great on the DEC ALPHA mike-burns and I used to use as a router. :) [12:12] Sure did. [12:12] Router/doorstop. [12:15] mhoran: what's funny about the list? I subscribe, but rarely read these days... [12:15] up_the_irons: The flamewars. [12:15] ah [12:15] mhoran: if u like flamewars, you should read the ARIN mailing lists (like public policy) [12:16] Hah. I bet. [12:16] up_the_irons: Got my new payment details? :) [12:16] nerdd: yup, thanks [12:16] Excellent - now I can rest easy again :) [12:19] up_the_irons: try pinging again [12:21] ballen: works, thanks [12:21] cool [13:52] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [14:06] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [14:23] what's the department when you try to cancel something [14:23] they send you to the company [14:23] re what ? [14:23] Department of retention? [14:23] yea [14:23] thanks [15:07] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [15:20] *** vtoms has quit IRC ("Leaving.") 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[23:20] zoneedit too [23:21] i set up a xen server in the east...... stupid debian [23:21] anyway, do i really feel like setting up an entirely new mail server for a single domain ? [23:21] hmm [23:51] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away