[00:00] hmm, I haven't ever used named/bind before, always had it managed, but I don't mind doing some reading [00:00] I use vi [00:00] ;) [00:01] vi?? [00:01] bobbyw: to be honest, if you're starting from scratch, don't start with bind. for an authoritative-only DNS server, use "nsd": http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/projects/nsd/ [00:01] bind is like sendmail [00:01] old, buggy [00:02] just look at isc.org for a TON of security vulnerabilities that are coming out even in the last few weeks [00:02] up_the_irons: good to know thanks [00:02] i equate setting up bind with being trampled by a rhino. [00:02] np [00:03] i use djbdns [00:03] "BIND is among the top vulnerabilities present on Unix systems" [00:06] you guys use portmanager or portupgrade? [00:07] upgrade for me. [00:07] yeah, I have used upgrade before [00:07] always see both [00:07] so doing the opposite would probably be better. [00:07] lol [00:07] obsidieth: always self deprecating? [00:08] i have precious little experience with bsd. [00:08] obsidieth: ah [01:24] *** visinin has quit IRC ("these walls keep") [01:34] I'm experiencing some I/O lag atm [01:51] Rada: there is a large spike in disk I/O [01:51] not from me I hope D: [01:51] copying a base image to another server, but it shouldn't load the box *that* much [01:52] gahh.. when will it finish [01:52] don't worry, i just wanted to make sure it wasn't my image that was slowing things down. [01:53] yeah, i don't think it is you [02:00] So, finally got around moving nixy.dk to the vps :) [02:01] nice! [02:02] The cool thing about ccTLD's is that there are still lots of four-letter domains available [02:10] Rada: yup [02:10] bad thing is, as I just realized renewing nti.st, they can be expensive ;) $55 to renew! [02:11] Rada: your copyright still says 2007 ;) [02:14] Look again. [02:15] hahaha, nice [02:17] Oh and probably my "hosted by" line needs updating [02:25] hehe [05:36] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [05:41] portmaster is pretty sweet; I put my vote in for it. [05:41] Rubyconf isn't at a hotel this year; it's far away from civilization, from what I understand. [05:42] I saw Chef demo'ed a few Ruby/RailsConfs ago and it looked really nice. Uses XMPP for everything, right? It's made "for the cloud". [05:42] *** heavysixer has quit IRC () [05:46] i wouuld not compare you to slicehost, they are xen and linux only for guest oses [05:48] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [05:51] looks like linode is the same [06:04] I left handrolling sources in the dust in 1997 when i found openbsd, because there is no guarantee i will remember and build them the same each time [06:04] ports from OpenBSD does a thing other bsds do not do as well [06:05] namely all ports installationss go from build to fake dir to packafe and then the package is installed [06:06] freebsd is notorious for suggesting to install/upgrade from the ports tree because ops happen in the Makefile of the ports tree that are not put into packages [06:25] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [08:13] portmaster here too. [08:14] * sroute has never had issues with portmaster and dealing with FreeBSD ports, not on servers and not on my two X workstations [08:15] sroute: me either...never done a fbsd desktop however [08:15] Maybe add that to the list... [08:17] I've had to figure out what I did to the ports tree or local ports DB quite a few times. Seems to have gotten better over the ages though. [08:17] freebsd rules, just upgrading ports sucks [08:17] My only complaint with port upgrading is the time it takes. [08:18] mine is sometimes you get pop ups and dont notice it [08:18] and it sits there for 20 minutes [08:18] and also, the -dforce_pkg_register stuff [08:18] in all caps. [08:18] you have to make uninstal or deinstall, whaever it was and sometimes it doesn't unregister and crap [08:18] I recommend portmaster. [08:19] Fixes the unnoticed popups problem, at least. [08:19] will look into it, i use portmanager or whatever portupgrade is [08:19] (sometimes) [08:19] The FORCE_PKG_REGISTER stuff is obnoxious; not sure how it happens. [08:20] when the package is already isntalled or soemthing [08:20] i fgorget [08:22] Yeah, but I'm not sure how it gets into a state where it's installing a package that is already installed. [08:23] upgrade perhaps [08:25] what is arp's cpu's runing [08:25] Xwhat? [08:25] CPU: QEMU Virtual CPU version 0.9.1 (2677.54-MHz K8-class CPU) [08:25] forgot [08:26] *** visinin has joined #arpnetworks [08:27] i did a bench with unixbench-wht from webhostingtalk [08:28] 2.67 arp (arp vps at 3am) got a 59.4 and a 2.5ghz e5420 single virtual cpu (same set up but slackware and kvm/qemu-kvm from git) got a 58 (although i have 1gb ram on this and 768 on the arp one). the benchmark is pretty low on freebsd naturally [08:28] the e5420 is my set up at the office [09:15] http://pastebin.ca/DQ94jDbG password arp weird. my second test on my box with 768 ram had a higher score file copy somethinw ent up [09:19] *** vtoms has quit IRC ("Leaving.") [09:23] *** Nat_UB_ has quit IRC ("Lost terminal") [09:24] benchmarking vps's should be understood to be an exercise in determining how the resources you've been allocate fluctuate over time [09:25] given the nature of a vps, what you get is highly dependent upon what others are doing on the same host system at the same time [09:26] which is quite clearly un-deterministic [09:27] yea i know, my box only had this running [09:27] anyway [09:27] you're apparently a book of answers [09:29] with experience with unix dating back to 1993 .. I would hope I have at least a few clues [09:30] :> [09:31] me personally, I'm happy to have found a VPS that doesn't ask $100/mo for a decent sized virtual system that runs OpenBSD [09:31] I have a bsdvm account I'm going to cancel because I can't wash the taste of NAT they do to offer public IP's (you get an internal one and they nat the public one to you..) [09:32] the fact that arpnetworks does IPv6 is a huge plus for me also [09:33] yea [09:33] tell me about it, some vps's want more than a dedicated server is [09:33] I'd actually challenge anyone to find anything out there that matches arpnetworks wrt OpenBSD and price [09:33] eww, they nat ? [09:33] heh [09:33] never heard of bsdvm but heh that's nasty [09:34] but they'v got decent prices [09:34] ja, calpop.com has nice $99/mo specials for 4U boxen, I don't quite have my hosting biz up to payin that yet [09:35] bsdvm uses vwmare [09:35] so you need a windows desktop to see console or vnc unencrypted [09:44] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [10:12] *** Mrdbgi has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [11:23] *** Nat_UB_ has joined #arpnetworks [11:30] 30 peeps in irc, new record :) [12:02] 30! [12:48] *** bobbyw has left [12:51] 29 hehehehe [12:52] *** coil is now known as looooooooooooool [12:55] *** looooooooooooool is now known as coil [12:55] *** ballen has joined #arpnetworks [13:41] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [13:48] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [14:45] *** vtoms has quit IRC ("Leaving.") [15:01] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [15:16] *** heavysixer has quit IRC ("BAMPF!") [16:14] *** cablehead has quit IRC ("Leaving.") [16:14] *** cablehead has joined #arpnetworks [16:15] *** timburke has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [16:16] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [16:16] *** cablehead has quit IRC (Client Quit) [16:17] *** cablehead has joined #arpnetworks [16:36] @up_the_irons: around? [16:36] ballen: yeah, doing some HA testing atm.. got your new order, thanks!! [16:37] cool, an ETA on setup? [16:38] ballen: unfortunately, I may have to delay new orders some; a new server that was supposed to arrive today, did not, and i'm almost out of capacity; the order rate has shot way up in the last couple days (I guess this is a problem I want to have ;) [16:39] how much of a delay? [16:40] i should have the new server up and running by monday, and provisioning will continue at that point [16:40] up_the_irons: we're in a bit of a predicament, our VPN policy was changed today and I have three people including myself that can't do much of any work [16:41] wow [16:41] yea tell me about it [16:51] ballen: I will see you my VPS but it will cost you :) [16:52] hah [17:13] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [17:28] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [18:57] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [19:10] *** visinin has quit IRC ("sleep") [19:22] *** bobbyw has joined #arpnetworks [19:32] *** Mrdbgi has joined #arpnetworks [19:34] any nsd users around? [19:47] bobbyw: what is your question? [19:47] dj_goku: can't find any good info it seems [19:49] bobbyw: your talking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSD right? [19:49] dj_goku: I really just want to do the most simple setup I can to get my domain names up [19:49] yeah [19:49] that's what up_the_irons recommended last night [19:51] bobbyw: ahh cool [19:55] dj_goku: didn't you say you use djbdns [19:56] bobbyw: nope. [19:56] oh [19:56] what is dns? [19:56] :) [19:56] must have been some one else last night [19:56] lets see [19:56] dj_goku: heh, you don't use dns? [19:56] jeev: [19:56] argh [19:56] its was jeev. [20:02] ah [20:05] *** timburke has joined #arpnetworks [20:38] *** heavysixer has quit IRC () [21:18] ? [21:36] hehe that is funny [21:36] heavysixer is uh, from KC... where I am from :) [21:40] wait [21:40] up_the_irons: haha you know heavysixer?! [21:40] haha cool. [21:49] * bobbyw any good dns resources, so confusing [21:49] use djbdns [21:49] it's easy [21:55] bobbyw: use Bind? hehe [21:55] dj_goku: no! [21:56] takes 10 seconds to install djbdns [21:56] what distro are you using [21:56] os [21:56] jeev: freebsd [21:56] bind isn't default? [21:56] i dont even use ports for djbdns/daemontools [21:56] i just paste something in and it does it [21:56] just a little shell script [21:56] ? [21:56] really? [21:56] ? [21:57] ? [21:57] ? [21:57] ? [21:57] * dj_goku thought he would join in the ? [21:57] ? [21:57] .... [21:57] ... --- ... [21:57] tell me about this shell script you speak of jeev [21:58] Not using ports seems like a maintanance nightmare. [21:58] mike-burns, i've never seen an update for djbdns ;) [21:58] Ha. [21:58] * dj_goku thinks everyone should know ... --- ... :) [21:59] dj_goku: wtf does that mean? [21:59] password arp http://www.pastebin.ca/TWYbOsJO [21:59] that first installs everything and sets up a dnscache on 127.0.0.1 [21:59] for resolver [21:59] bobbyw: SOS [21:59] pw add user tinydns [21:59] pw add user dnslog [21:59] tinydns-conf tinydns dnslog /etc/tinydns [21:59] dj_goku: ah gotcha [21:59] woops, put the ns1 ip after /etc/tinydns [21:59] ln -s /etc/tinydns /service [21:59] sleep 5 [21:59] svstat /service/tinydns [21:59] and viola [21:59] obviously, then you have to learn how to use the data file [22:00] It's in the ports tree, too. [22:00] true [22:00] haha [22:00] that's just my version from 10 years ago or whatever it was [22:00] Last updated in September, for IPv6 bug fixes. [22:00] http://www.freshports.org/dns/djbdns/ [22:00] mike-burns: you use djbdns? [22:00] Nope. [22:01] I don't use any djb* tools; the packaging system frightens me. [22:02] I just use BIND 'cause it comes with the system. [22:02] dunno [22:04] any one ever use AT&T Uverse service [22:04] yea ballen, i do [22:04] weird, i'v enever seen one of these for djbdns. https://www.isc.org/node/474 [22:04] ;) [22:05] in what city? [22:05] yet i've seen hundredss for bind! [22:05] los angeles [22:05] how do you like it [22:05] great. [22:05] what kind of speeds do you get? [22:06] Well, I mean, the ISC can't be bothered with software only three people use. [22:06] they people that run ISC are some really cool people FYI [22:07] Oh I totally believe it. [22:07] although it does take a special person to "love" DNS [22:08] I can only imagine that they're very ... interesting. [22:09] really nice, incredably smart and think at a very large "I'm taking care of the internet scale" [22:09] talked to a group of ISC folks at a conference last year [22:10] That's an insane responsibility that they have. [22:10] gave em crap about the overhyped vuln that was around that time [22:10] apparently it was actually serious [22:10] At their level every vuln must be serious. [22:11] no this one was a big one [22:11] what the hell was it, was the one was all secret [22:11] 18 megs ballen [22:11] whenever possible, i max out my connect [22:12] kaminsky thats it [22:12] hows the ping time, heard theres some issues [22:14] i really haven't played any net games in a while [22:14] i haven't noticed any lag at all [22:15] hmm cool [22:15] i do notice traceroute's are gay [22:15] definitely win win if your next option is charter [22:15] do a traceroute to arpnetworks and post it would ya? [22:15] other option is TimeWarner [22:15] do you "steal" or are you legit [22:16] in Austin, TX [22:16] legit [22:16] cause you can mod a modem, clone a business mac, get 16/1 or 16/2 with QoS for free [22:16] lol [22:16] yea the trace's are lame [22:16] 2,3,4 hop * [22:16] seems like they would figured that out [22:17] figure what out [22:17] that you're running a cloned modem [22:17] my pfsense router, after the first lightspeed route, it's * * * * * [22:17] from windows, it's [22:17] na ballen, i've only had charter's go bad, from people cancelling or something [22:17] but the people who i've given time warner to, 4 people [22:18] haven't called me in 18 months [22:18] just curious have you looked up what level of crime that is [22:18] misdemeanor or felony [22:18] i duno, i dont do it at home so i duno [22:19] ah [22:19] so just the enabler then ;-) [22:19] http://www.pastebin.ca/JbwFxcmk pass arp [22:21] so looks like a good chunk of the lag is between you and your gateway from ATT [22:21] albiet 21ms isn't bad [22:22] i duno if the name is right but [22:22] att is gay for sending everything from LA to irvine [22:22] yea that is a bit out of the way [22:23] damn where the php gurus are [22:23] at [22:24] I know ATT has a lot of territory in Austin, but I think Verizon has some FIOS in the area so I'm trying to track down where so I can find an apartment with FIOS [22:24] fios would be awesome [22:24] yea my friend just got in the Balitmore area [22:24] got the 15/5 plan [22:25] i think i'd go nuts with the best plan [22:25] speed test's at like 23/12 [22:25] yea 50 down would be nice [22:25] seems a bit overkill [22:25] I just want as much upload as I can get [22:25] heh [22:26] 50 is almost pointless if people like att continue being losers with bandwidth [22:26] hell I'd take a std cable internet plan if the up/down was reversed [22:26] what you need upload for? [22:26] right now backing up crap tons of data [22:26] ah [22:27] although I'd like max out the backup service [22:27] likely* [23:56] *** Mrdbgi has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))