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| bobbyw | hmm, I haven't ever used named/bind before, always had it managed, but I don't mind doing some reading | [00:00] |
| up_the_irons | I use vi
;) | [00:00] |
| bobbyw | vi?? | [00:01] |
| up_the_irons | bobbyw: to be honest, if you're starting from scratch, don't start with bind. for an authoritative-only DNS server, use "nsd": http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/projects/nsd/
bind is like sendmail old, buggy just look at isc.org for a TON of security vulnerabilities that are coming out even in the last few weeks | [00:01] |
| bobbyw | up_the_irons: good to know thanks | [00:02] |
| obsidieth | i equate setting up bind with being trampled by a rhino. | [00:02] |
| up_the_irons | np | [00:02] |
| jeev | i use djbdns | [00:03] |
| bobbyw | "BIND is among the top vulnerabilities present on Unix systems"
you guys use portmanager or portupgrade? | [00:03] |
| obsidieth | upgrade for me. | [00:07] |
| bobbyw | yeah, I have used upgrade before
always see both | [00:07] |
| obsidieth | so doing the opposite would probably be better. | [00:07] |
| bobbyw | lol
obsidieth: always self deprecating? | [00:07] |
| obsidieth | i have precious little experience with bsd. | [00:08] |
| bobbyw | obsidieth: ah | [00:08] |
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| Rada | I'm experiencing some I/O lag atm | [01:34] |
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| up_the_irons | Rada: there is a large spike in disk I/O | [01:51] |
| Rada | not from me I hope D: | [01:51] |
| up_the_irons | copying a base image to another server, but it shouldn't load the box *that* much
gahh.. when will it finish | [01:51] |
| Rada | don't worry, i just wanted to make sure it wasn't my image that was slowing things down. | [01:52] |
| up_the_irons | yeah, i don't think it is you | [01:53] |
| Rada | So, finally got around moving nixy.dk to the vps :) | [02:00] |
| up_the_irons | nice! | [02:01] |
| Rada | The cool thing about ccTLD's is that there are still lots of four-letter domains available | [02:02] |
| up_the_irons | Rada: yup
bad thing is, as I just realized renewing nti.st, they can be expensive ;) $55 to renew! Rada: your copyright still says 2007 ;) | [02:10] |
| Rada | Look again. | [02:14] |
| up_the_irons | hahaha, nice | [02:15] |
| Rada | Oh and probably my "hosted by" line needs updating | [02:17] |
| up_the_irons | hehe | [02:25] |
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| mike-burns | portmaster is pretty sweet; I put my vote in for it.
Rubyconf isn't at a hotel this year; it's far away from civilization, from what I understand. I saw Chef demo'ed a few Ruby/RailsConfs ago and it looked really nice. Uses XMPP for everything, right? It's made "for the cloud". | [05:41] |
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| toddf | i wouuld not compare you to slicehost, they are xen and linux only for guest oses | [05:46] |
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| toddf | looks like linode is the same | [05:51] |
| I left handrolling sources in the dust in 1997 when i found openbsd, because there is no guarantee i will remember and build them the same each time
ports from OpenBSD does a thing other bsds do not do as well namely all ports installationss go from build to fake dir to packafe and then the package is installed freebsd is notorious for suggesting to install/upgrade from the ports tree because ops happen in the Makefile of the ports tree that are not put into packages | [06:04] | |
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| sroute | portmaster here too.
sroute has never had issues with portmaster and dealing with FreeBSD ports, not on servers and not on my two X workstations | [08:13] |
| Nat_UB_ | sroute: me either...never done a fbsd desktop however
Maybe add that to the list... | [08:15] |
| mike-burns | I've had to figure out what I did to the ports tree or local ports DB quite a few times. Seems to have gotten better over the ages though. | [08:17] |
| jeev | freebsd rules, just upgrading ports sucks | [08:17] |
| mike-burns | My only complaint with port upgrading is the time it takes. | [08:17] |
| jeev | mine is sometimes you get pop ups and dont notice it
and it sits there for 20 minutes and also, the -dforce_pkg_register stuff in all caps. you have to make uninstal or deinstall, whaever it was and sometimes it doesn't unregister and crap | [08:18] |
| mike-burns | I recommend portmaster.
Fixes the unnoticed popups problem, at least. | [08:18] |
| jeev | will look into it, i use portmanager or whatever portupgrade is
(sometimes) | [08:19] |
| mike-burns | The FORCE_PKG_REGISTER stuff is obnoxious; not sure how it happens. | [08:19] |
| jeev | when the package is already isntalled or soemthing
i fgorget | [08:20] |
| mike-burns | Yeah, but I'm not sure how it gets into a state where it's installing a package that is already installed. | [08:22] |
| jeev | upgrade perhaps
what is arp's cpu's runing Xwhat? CPU: QEMU Virtual CPU version 0.9.1 (2677.54-MHz K8-class CPU) forgot | [08:23] |
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| jeev | i did a bench with unixbench-wht from webhostingtalk
2.67 arp (arp vps at 3am) got a 59.4 and a 2.5ghz e5420 single virtual cpu (same set up but slackware and kvm/qemu-kvm from git) got a 58 (although i have 1gb ram on this and 768 on the arp one). the benchmark is pretty low on freebsd naturally the e5420 is my set up at the office | [08:27] |
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| http://pastebin.ca/DQ94jDbG password arp weird. my second test on my box with 768 ram had a higher score file copy somethinw ent up | [09:15] | |
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| toddf | benchmarking vps's should be understood to be an exercise in determining how the resources you've been allocate fluctuate over time
given the nature of a vps, what you get is highly dependent upon what others are doing on the same host system at the same time which is quite clearly un-deterministic | [09:24] |
| jeev | yea i know, my box only had this running
anyway you're apparently a book of answers | [09:27] |
| toddf | with experience with unix dating back to 1993 .. I would hope I have at least a few clues | [09:29] |
| jeev | :> | [09:30] |
| toddf | me personally, I'm happy to have found a VPS that doesn't ask $100/mo for a decent sized virtual system that runs OpenBSD
I have a bsdvm account I'm going to cancel because I can't wash the taste of NAT they do to offer public IP's (you get an internal one and they nat the public one to you..) the fact that arpnetworks does IPv6 is a huge plus for me also | [09:31] |
| jeev | yea
tell me about it, some vps's want more than a dedicated server is | [09:33] |
| toddf | I'd actually challenge anyone to find anything out there that matches arpnetworks wrt OpenBSD and price | [09:33] |
| jeev | eww, they nat ?
heh never heard of bsdvm but heh that's nasty but they'v got decent prices | [09:33] |
| toddf | ja, calpop.com has nice $99/mo specials for 4U boxen, I don't quite have my hosting biz up to payin that yet
bsdvm uses vwmare so you need a windows desktop to see console or vnc unencrypted | [09:34] |
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| bobbyw | 30 peeps in irc, new record :) | [11:30] |
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| up_the_irons | 30! | [12:02] |
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| Nat_UB_ | 29 hehehehe | [12:51] |
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| ballen | @up_the_irons: around? | [16:36] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: yeah, doing some HA testing atm.. got your new order, thanks!! | [16:36] |
| ballen | cool, an ETA on setup? | [16:37] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: unfortunately, I may have to delay new orders some; a new server that was supposed to arrive today, did not, and i'm almost out of capacity; the order rate has shot way up in the last couple days (I guess this is a problem I want to have ;) | [16:38] |
| ballen | how much of a delay? | [16:39] |
| up_the_irons | i should have the new server up and running by monday, and provisioning will continue at that point | [16:40] |
| ballen | up_the_irons: we're in a bit of a predicament, our VPN policy was changed today and I have three people including myself that can't do much of any work | [16:40] |
| up_the_irons | wow | [16:41] |
| ballen | yea tell me about it | [16:41] |
| dj_goku | ballen: I will see you my VPS but it will cost you :) | [16:51] |
| ballen | hah | [16:52] |
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| bobbyw | any nsd users around? | [19:34] |
| dj_goku | bobbyw: what is your question? | [19:47] |
| bobbyw | dj_goku: can't find any good info it seems | [19:47] |
| dj_goku | bobbyw: your talking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSD right? | [19:49] |
| bobbyw | dj_goku: I really just want to do the most simple setup I can to get my domain names up
yeah that's what up_the_irons recommended last night | [19:49] |
| dj_goku | bobbyw: ahh cool | [19:51] |
| bobbyw | dj_goku: didn't you say you use djbdns | [19:55] |
| dj_goku | bobbyw: nope. | [19:56] |
| bobbyw | oh | [19:56] |
| dj_goku | what is dns?
:) | [19:56] |
| bobbyw | must have been some one else last night | [19:56] |
| dj_goku | lets see | [19:56] |
| bobbyw | dj_goku: heh, you don't use dns? | [19:56] |
| dj_goku | jeev:
argh its was jeev. | [19:56] |
| bobbyw | ah | [20:02] |
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| jeev | ? | [21:18] |
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| dj_goku | hehe that is funny
heavysixer is uh, from KC... where I am from :) wait up_the_irons: haha you know heavysixer?! haha cool. | [21:36] |
| bobbyw | bobbyw any good dns resources, so confusing | [21:49] |
| jeev | use djbdns
it's easy | [21:49] |
| dj_goku | bobbyw: use Bind? hehe | [21:55] |
| bobbyw | dj_goku: no! | [21:55] |
| jeev | takes 10 seconds to install djbdns
what distro are you using os | [21:56] |
| bobbyw | jeev: freebsd | [21:56] |
| dj_goku | bind isn't default? | [21:56] |
| jeev | i dont even use ports for djbdns/daemontools
i just paste something in and it does it just a little shell script | [21:56] |
| bobbyw | ?
really? | [21:56] |
| jeev | ? | [21:56] |
| dj_goku | ? | [21:57] |
| bobbyw | ? | [21:57] |
| jeev | ? | [21:57] |
| dj_goku | dj_goku thought he would join in the ? | [21:57] |
| bobbyw | ?
.... | [21:57] |
| dj_goku | ... --- ... | [21:57] |
| bobbyw | tell me about this shell script you speak of jeev | [21:57] |
| mike-burns | Not using ports seems like a maintanance nightmare. | [21:58] |
| jeev | mike-burns, i've never seen an update for djbdns ;) | [21:58] |
| mike-burns | Ha. | [21:58] |
| dj_goku | dj_goku thinks everyone should know ... --- ... :) | [21:58] |
| bobbyw | dj_goku: wtf does that mean? | [21:59] |
| jeev | password arp http://www.pastebin.ca/TWYbOsJO
that first installs everything and sets up a dnscache on 127.0.0.1 for resolver | [21:59] |
| dj_goku | bobbyw: SOS | [21:59] |
| jeev | pw add user tinydns
pw add user dnslog tinydns-conf tinydns dnslog /etc/tinydns | [21:59] |
| bobbyw | dj_goku: ah gotcha | [21:59] |
| jeev | woops, put the ns1 ip after /etc/tinydns
ln -s /etc/tinydns /service sleep 5 svstat /service/tinydns and viola obviously, then you have to learn how to use the data file | [21:59] |
| mike-burns | It's in the ports tree, too. | [22:00] |
| jeev | true | [22:00] |
| dj_goku | haha | [22:00] |
| jeev | that's just my version from 10 years ago or whatever it was | [22:00] |
| mike-burns | Last updated in September, for IPv6 bug fixes.
http://www.freshports.org/dns/djbdns/ | [22:00] |
| bobbyw | mike-burns: you use djbdns? | [22:00] |
| mike-burns | Nope.
I don't use any djb* tools; the packaging system frightens me. I just use BIND 'cause it comes with the system. | [22:00] |
| jeev | dunno | [22:02] |
| ballen | any one ever use AT&T Uverse service | [22:04] |
| jeev | yea ballen, i do
weird, i'v enever seen one of these for djbdns. https://www.isc.org/node/474 ;) | [22:04] |
| ballen | in what city? | [22:05] |
| jeev | yet i've seen hundredss for bind!
los angeles | [22:05] |
| ballen | how do you like it | [22:05] |
| jeev | great. | [22:05] |
| ballen | what kind of speeds do you get? | [22:05] |
| mike-burns | Well, I mean, the ISC can't be bothered with software only three people use. | [22:06] |
| ballen | they people that run ISC are some really cool people FYI | [22:06] |
| mike-burns | Oh I totally believe it. | [22:07] |
| ballen | although it does take a special person to "love" DNS | [22:07] |
| mike-burns | I can only imagine that they're very ... interesting. | [22:08] |
| ballen | really nice, incredably smart and think at a very large "I'm taking care of the internet scale"
talked to a group of ISC folks at a conference last year | [22:09] |
| mike-burns | That's an insane responsibility that they have. | [22:10] |
| ballen | gave em crap about the overhyped vuln that was around that time
apparently it was actually serious | [22:10] |
| mike-burns | At their level every vuln must be serious. | [22:10] |
| ballen | no this one was a big one
what the hell was it, was the one was all secret | [22:11] |
| jeev | 18 megs ballen
whenever possible, i max out my connect | [22:11] |
| ballen | kaminsky thats it
hows the ping time, heard theres some issues | [22:12] |
| jeev | i really haven't played any net games in a while
i haven't noticed any lag at all | [22:14] |
| ballen | hmm cool | [22:15] |
| jeev | i do notice traceroute's are gay
definitely win win if your next option is charter | [22:15] |
| ballen | do a traceroute to arpnetworks and post it would ya?
other option is TimeWarner | [22:15] |
| jeev | do you "steal" or are you legit | [22:15] |
| ballen | in Austin, TX
legit | [22:16] |
| jeev | cause you can mod a modem, clone a business mac, get 16/1 or 16/2 with QoS for free
lol yea the trace's are lame 2,3,4 hop * | [22:16] |
| ballen | seems like they would figured that out | [22:16] |
| jeev | figure what out | [22:17] |
| ballen | that you're running a cloned modem | [22:17] |
| jeev | my pfsense router, after the first lightspeed route, it's * * * * *
from windows, it's na ballen, i've only had charter's go bad, from people cancelling or something but the people who i've given time warner to, 4 people haven't called me in 18 months | [22:17] |
| ballen | just curious have you looked up what level of crime that is
misdemeanor or felony | [22:18] |
| jeev | i duno, i dont do it at home so i duno | [22:18] |
| ballen | ah
so just the enabler then ;-) | [22:19] |
| jeev | http://www.pastebin.ca/JbwFxcmk pass arp | [22:19] |
| ballen | so looks like a good chunk of the lag is between you and your gateway from ATT
albiet 21ms isn't bad | [22:21] |
| jeev | i duno if the name is right but
att is gay for sending everything from LA to irvine | [22:22] |
| ballen | yea that is a bit out of the way | [22:22] |
| jeev | damn where the php gurus are
at | [22:23] |
| ballen | I know ATT has a lot of territory in Austin, but I think Verizon has some FIOS in the area so I'm trying to track down where so I can find an apartment with FIOS | [22:24] |
| jeev | fios would be awesome | [22:24] |
| ballen | yea my friend just got in the Balitmore area
got the 15/5 plan | [22:24] |
| jeev | i think i'd go nuts with the best plan | [22:25] |
| ballen | speed test's at like 23/12
yea 50 down would be nice seems a bit overkill I just want as much upload as I can get | [22:25] |
| jeev | heh
50 is almost pointless if people like att continue being losers with bandwidth | [22:25] |
| ballen | hell I'd take a std cable internet plan if the up/down was reversed | [22:26] |
| bobbyw | what you need upload for? | [22:26] |
| ballen | right now backing up crap tons of data | [22:26] |
| bobbyw | ah | [22:26] |
| ballen | although I'd like max out the backup service
likely* | [22:27] |
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