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| toddf | interesting question | [03:37] |
| if the user is removed it gets removed from the /etc/group file wherever it is found
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| I have looked at the code, no way to remove a usser from a single group in that code, its a one pass extermination from /etc/group as the only removal code in sight | [03:59] | |
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| up_the_irons | Mrdbgi: mornin
toddf: i think I had that issue with OpenBSD a long time ago, it boggled me. so there is no way to script removal of a user from a group besides trying to mangle /etc/group? that seems frustrating | [11:36] |
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| toddf | as the utilities exist today, no.
how often do you need to remove users from groups? ;-) vs remove them outright? | [11:53] |
| up_the_irons | i needed it yesterday
reconfiguring some things | [11:54] |
| toddf | I've asked the appropriate people
but I'm realizing why I never ran into this before I've always munged directly with /etc/group via vi before .. then I found the user*(8) tools and found those eaiser for scripting adds, mods (to add users to new groups) and removing users entirely it is a rare day when I need to remove a single user from a single group | [11:55] |
| up_the_irons | that's nuts ;) When I de-privilege users, I remove them from certain groups. I like do it all the time; i'm really surprised no one in the OpenBSD community works this way ;) | [11:58] |
| mike-burns | You can, of course, script editing a file.
But I agree. | [12:02] |
| toddf | hmm, seems 'usermod -G group user' should exclude the user from all other groups but 'group' but instead it adds the user to that group only
bugfix may be forthcoming ;-) | [12:03] |
| up_the_irons | toddf: yup, it just keeps adding groups, no way to remove | [12:14] |
| toddf | meaning this may change the behavior, that usermod -G .. user must explicitly list each group they should still be a member of | [12:16] |
| up_the_irons | toddf: when i read the man page, that's what I *thought* would happen; should probably be fixed
anyone know what the FreeBSD behavior is? | [12:21] |
| mike-burns | FreeBSD takes an explict list. | [12:22] |
| toddf | good to know! | [12:23] |
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| dbgi | hi | [14:27] |
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| dj_goku | toddf: From a netbsd.se wiki not sure if its apart of netbsd.org, but it stated: Also, the -G option does not remove the user from any groups. Edit /etc/group if you need to remove a user from a secondary group.
It is kind of weird there is no way to do this though. | [19:17] |
| up_the_irons | up_the_irons boggles
so NetBSD has no way of doing it either... huh? that just blows my mind anyway, time to go home... | [19:24] |
| dj_goku | up_the_irons: that is what it looks like. | [19:28] |
| toddf | openbsd is based on netbsd code, freebsd apparently is a different codebase for this | [19:38] |
| dj_goku | toddf: is a openbsd dev :D | [19:46] |
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| obsidieth | jeepers. | [20:22] |
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| toddf | creepers | [20:43] |
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| bobbyw | how long does it take to get an instance up after signing up? | [20:54] |
| dj_goku | bobbyw: 3-4 for me I think. | [20:58] |
| bobbyw | 3-4 minutes? hours? | [20:58] |
| jeev | bobbyw, usually by next morning if its a business day | [20:59] |
| obsidieth | it depends on when up_the_irons is around | [20:59] |
| jeev | i think he does everything at night
you came here a month back eh ? | [20:59] |
| bobbyw | yeah | [21:00] |
| jeev | hehe | [21:00] |
| bobbyw | I said I was going to come here in a month maybe?
haha here I am | [21:00] |
| jeev | you signed up already ? | [21:01] |
| bobbyw | kinda weird though that it is manual authorize, slicehost and linode were instant
yeah | [21:01] |
| jeev | if you did, you should have it set up probably by morning
bobbyw, yea.. i think he's tight with fraud and stuff likes to do stuff manually i'd do the same | [21:01] |
| bobbyw | ugh
annoying | [21:01] |
| dj_goku | hours sorry* | [21:01] |
| jeev | yea i know hehe
but it's worth it i haven't had any issues | [21:01] |
| bobbyw | cool | [21:01] |
| dj_goku | hehe only one issue for me, after recompile kernel :D | [21:02] |
| jeev | you recompiled?
what are you running | [21:02] |
| dj_goku | jeev: well for reliablity patches, openbsd | [21:03] |
| jeev | ahh | [21:03] |
| bobbyw | yeah so what's up with kernel patches on here? | [21:03] |
| jeev | i run freebsd
haven't rebuilt the kernel | [21:04] |
| bobbyw | yeah | [21:04] |
| jeev | dj_goku, what was your problem | [21:04] |
| bobbyw | I chose freebsd
long time linux user just switched | [21:04] |
| dj_goku | I never liked compiling my linux kernel, I don't know what the hell is in my computer for sound chipset and .... but yeah :) | [21:04] |
| bobbyw | been playing in vmware with freebsd, enjoying it | [21:04] |
| jeev | yea i switched years back but i still love slackware. | [21:04] |
| bobbyw | slack? | [21:04] |
| dj_goku | jeev: boot never finished. | [21:04] |
| bobbyw | why? | [21:04] |
| jeev | that's what i grew up on
perfect, vanilla kernel | [21:04] |
| dj_goku | jeev: let me find the error | [21:04] |
| jeev | sexy
no lame users you either know what you're doing or you use something else. | [21:04] |
| bobbyw | not doubting it
I liked arch quite a bit | [21:05] |
| jeev | dunno | [21:05] |
| dj_goku | jeev: http://scie.nti.st/2009/10/4/running-openbsd-4-5-in-kvm-on-ubuntu-linux-9-04 | [21:05] |
| jeev | dj_goku, that wasn't an arp issue though ;) | [21:05] |
| dj_goku | jeev: true, but a issue :D | [21:06] |
| jeev | heh | [21:06] |
| dj_goku | s/a/an/ | [21:06] |
| bobbyw | what is the host os? freebsd? | [21:06] |
| dj_goku | uh, I want to say ubuntu | [21:06] |
| bobbyw | not of the article
on arp | [21:06] |
| dj_goku | bobbyw: iirc up_the_irons wrote what I just posted. | [21:06] |
| jeev | yea it's ubuntu | [21:07] |
| bobbyw | wtf? really? | [21:07] |
| obsidieth | that seems counter insuitive doesnt it.
s/t | [21:07] |
| jeev | i call it ubunti | [21:07] |
| bobbyw | yeah, talk about a bloated POS | [21:07] |
| obsidieth | but i couldnt be happier, for the record. | [21:07] |
| dj_goku | obsidieth: its probably dead simple to get up and running so. | [21:07] |
| bobbyw | well yeah for rookies... but this is a vps host.... | [21:08] |
| obsidieth | theres nothing wrong with ubuntu. | [21:08] |
| bobbyw | just heard a lot from upstream dev guys about ubuntu devs
I guess I should just shut up and wait and see what it's like :) | [21:08] |
| dj_goku | :D | [21:09] |
| bobbyw | we run ubuntu servers at my current place of work | [21:09] |
| obsidieth | personally, in a server environment i would choose debian | [21:09] |
| dj_goku | bobbyw: you could always start your own company and compete with arpnetworks :) | [21:09] |
| obsidieth | but the differences are just eh. | [21:09] |
| bobbyw | dj_goku: lol, hosting is boring to me
;) | [21:10] |
| dj_goku | but arpnetworks is ran by a rookie OS though... :)
s/ran by/run on/ | [21:10] |
| bobbyw | we'll see | [21:10] |
| dj_goku | dj_goku has only has his VPS from arpnetworks for a couple weeks. | [21:11] |
| obsidieth | at this point, it should be noted that all distributions of linux are fundamentally the same | [21:11] |
| bobbyw | yep | [21:11] |
| obsidieth | just becuase its user friendly doesnt make it any worse at serving. | [21:11] |
| bobbyw | yeah, I mean I guess *I* don't have to deal with it so what the fuck do I care | [21:20] |
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| up_the_irons | bobbyw: your VPS is coming up; got the order, thanks :) there is no automatic provisioning; guys like linode and slicehost have a few years extra to develop their stuff, i'm still in the manual setup phase. but i offer more choice, more resources, more affordable and rock solid reliability :) | [22:07] |
| bobbyw | up_the_irons: cool man, I'll put my stock in you for a while | [22:08] |
| up_the_irons | and to all you Ubuntu haters, find me an base OS that will run *BSD VMs better than Ubuntu and I'll switch ;)
Ubuntu is ahead of Debian in the VM marketplace, esp. with para-virt | [22:08] |
| jeev | up_the_irons, slackware | [22:09] |
| up_the_irons | When I ran Xen, it was on Debian
Debian, on a VM, however, runs like a bat out of hell. VERY fast | [22:09] |
| bobbyw | I have run xen on centos, arch, and ubuntu | [22:10] |
| up_the_irons | i've heard good things about arch | [22:11] |
| bobbyw | I really like arch | [22:11] |
| visinin | arch is lovely | [22:11] |
| bobbyw | rolling release is brilliant | [22:12] |
| up_the_irons | time to cd $starbucks && hammer-out-orders() | [22:12] |
| visinin | up_the_irons: which starbucks do you chill at? | [22:13] |
| jeev | wonder why he ignored slackware | [22:13] |
| up_the_irons | visinin: i just hit the drive thru at starbucks in City of San Fernando | [22:13] |
| visinin | gotcha | [22:13] |
| up_the_irons | i'm major of it in four square :D
brb | [22:13] |
| bobbyw | wait, so he said my shit was up, but I didn't get an email.......
hah | [22:15] |
| jeev | no
he said he'll hammer them out | [22:16] |
| bobbyw | oh
shit is this a one-man ops team? powered by SBUX? lol | [22:17] |
| jeev | hehe | [22:17] |
| bobbyw | any of you guys use chef for server provisioning? | [22:18] |
| jeev | never heard of it | [22:18] |
| bobbyw | oh
dude it's sweet basically a replacement for shell script server provisioning or whatever manual job automated recipe to build your stack but custom http://wiki.opscode.com/display/chef/Home | [22:18] |
| jeev | eh
i do everything by hand | [22:20] |
| bobbyw | gross
:p | [22:20] |
| jeev | nope | [22:21] |
| bobbyw | do you build packages from source too?
tell me you use something to manage them | [22:21] |
| jeev | packages? | [22:21] |
| bobbyw | oh
right porst ports* that's cool | [22:21] |
| jeev | if i use bsd, i'll use ports if i have to | [22:21] |
| bobbyw | I like that too | [22:21] |
| jeev | slackware, sbopkg or packages maybe
but i prefer everything by hand | [22:22] |
| bobbyw | what about versions, like you go in and recompile? | [22:22] |
| jeev | yep
if it's bsd, i might portupgradei t | [22:22] |
| bobbyw | yeah
me too | [22:22] |
| dj_goku | dj_goku uses packages then if I really need something not in package form I use ports. | [22:23] |
| bobbyw | I like ports because it manages source meta data for you etc | [22:23] |
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| jeev | excusen moi of my process for the next 20 minutes rapes the server
i'm going to bench it | [22:59] |
| up_the_irons | jeev: probably not a good time; VM provisioning puts a lot of disk I/O onto the system | [23:01] |
| jeev | should i stop
i stopped should i start it in like 3-4 hours ? | [23:02] |
| up_the_irons | jeev: u can start in a couple hours | [23:04] |
| jeev | ok | [23:04] |
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| up_the_irons | bobbyw: just sent ya the welcome packet | [23:27] |
| bobbyw | up_the_irons: thanks | [23:27] |
| up_the_irons | np | [23:27] |
| obsidieth | welcome ping | [23:28] |
| bobbyw | yeah that's it
I got the two emails | [23:34] |
| up_the_irons | bobbyw: oh ok, i had a weird scrollback deja vu... ignore me | [23:35] |
| bobbyw | up_the_irons: ha, it's cool, try to keep posting my email to the public channel to a minimum ;) ha | [23:36] |
| up_the_irons | bobbyw: i've heard of chef actually; i am weary of new tools like that. would have to try it. i mean, like, does it *really* work on OpenBSD? (claims it does) also, it has some strange dependency i remember...
bobbyw: bah, sorry about that | [23:36] |
| bobbyw | up_the_irons: ruby, rubygems, and the chef gem
up_the_irons: I notice you are somewhat partial to ruby, noticed the sinatra app, and using tender | [23:37] |
| up_the_irons | bobbyw: what about the database? | [23:37] |
| bobbyw | up_the_irons: couchdb | [23:38] |
| up_the_irons | bobbyw: yeah, i used to code rails full time | [23:38] |
| bobbyw | up_the_irons: that's what I do now, and I have always been sucked into doing ops stuff | [23:38] |
| up_the_irons | see, couchdb is just a weird dependency for something like that
bobbyw: i've been doing ops for 10 years, but got sucked into rails ;) i was developing some ebay software several years ago, and wanted a better way to make web apps; found rails | [23:38] |
| bobbyw | up_the_irons: couchdb is a bit of a weird dep, I'll give you that, but it stores json, and that's what chef passes around to the nodes | [23:39] |
| up_the_irons | have been pretty happy since
bobbyw: i c | [23:39] |
| bobbyw | up_the_irons: I am pretty stoked about rails 3
up_the_irons: I am headed to rubyconf in nov it's in SF | [23:40] |
| up_the_irons | FINALLY a web coast location
*west maybe i'll go i was at the NC one in '07 | [23:41] |
| bobbyw | tix sold out already
oh cool | [23:41] |
| up_the_irons | was pretty fun
who needs tix ;) | [23:41] |
| bobbyw | yeah, last year was orlando right? | [23:42] |
| up_the_irons | yup, or-F'in-lando
i'll just show up to the hotel, then code in the lobby, like everyone else does at conferences | [23:42] |
| bobbyw | up_the_irons: haha
up_the_irons: yeah that's about right, the only one that stands out to me that people do that a lot less is future ruby in toronot toronto* | [23:42] |
| up_the_irons | i c
interesting | [23:43] |
| bobbyw | really cool conf, anyway.. off topic | [23:43] |
| up_the_irons | no such thing as off topic here
bobbyw: so what brings you to FreeBSD? | [23:46] |
| bobbyw | up_the_irons: well, I have used linux extensively, and basically what it comes down to is I like the structure of development, they keep software up to date, stuff they put in the ports tree is extensively tested, the security team is great, and I just like the philosophy better, I could relate more | [23:48] |
| up_the_irons | right on | [23:49] |
| bobbyw | with the exception to the kernel itself linux seems to be scattered in so many different camps | [23:49] |
| up_the_irons | yeah, you're spot on there
i feel there is little coherency with such a large community and install base, there really can't be people just don't agree across the board on things | [23:50] |
| bobbyw | right, everyone forks when they don't agree | [23:50] |
| up_the_irons | that's why we have so many distros | [23:50] |
| bobbyw | yep
lol it seems like there are a handful of bsds around but that's cool, I like the way they do it, everything comes from upstream or is patched in upstream, the different flavors are for distinct purposes, but they keep everything cohesive | [23:50] |
| up_the_irons | just noticed dragonfly bsd uses git, nice | [23:52] |
| bobbyw | yeah'
git is sweet svn is balls so is csv | [23:52] |
| up_the_irons | haha | [23:52] |
| bobbyw | cvs* | [23:52] |
| up_the_irons | "the different flavors are for distinct purposes" -- yeah, that's really true | [23:53] |
| bobbyw | didn't dragonfly also introduce a different filesysteM? | [23:53] |
| up_the_irons | i think so
or are trying to to achieve their clustering goals | [23:53] |
| bobbyw | right | [23:53] |
| up_the_irons | and come on, who doesn't dig pf :)
i really like OpenBGPd, which I run on an OpenBSD box, for IPv6 routing solid as all hell | [23:53] |
| bobbyw | what is openbgpd? | [23:54] |
| up_the_irons | bobbyw: open implementation of the BGP protocol | [23:55] |
| bobbyw | cool | [23:56] |
| up_the_irons | bobbyw: for dynamic routing | [23:56] |
| bobbyw | googled it, sounds pretty cool
turn machines into routers etc | [23:56] |
| up_the_irons | yeah, they also have OpenOSPFd, but I don't use OSPF for anything
we have 29 users in here, i think that is a record :D | [23:56] |
| bobbyw | nice!
how do most people manage dns here? | [23:58] |
| obsidieth | im usin named/bind and webmin. | [23:58] |
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