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nerdd_ is now known as nerdd Rada: I noticed there's an 'arpnetworks maintenance account' on my VPS
What breaks if I remove it? obsidieth: up_the_irons's cool up_the_irons: Rada: http://support.arpnetworks.com/faqs/vps/what-is-the-maintenance-account-on-my-vps
Rada: and http://support.arpnetworks.com/faqs/vps/can-i-delete-the-arpnetworks-user-on-my-vps
:) Rada: wow there's a faq? I have to read that up_the_irons: Rada: there was a discussion a few days ago as to whether the FAQ was hard to find, or too complicated, and whether I should move it to the main site ;) Rada: I believe it should be linked to as part of the setup 'here's your passwords now go play' mail
like, before the passwords themselvesesseses up_the_irons: gotcha ***: Thorgrimr has quit IRC ("leaving") obsidieth: i had no clue it existed. up_the_irons: hehe
there's really not much on it actually
been meaning to flesh it out
w00t, got 136.1 on the WHT UnixBench script Rada: I dont even know what that's supposed to mean but nice i guess.
:D ***: Thorgrimr has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: Rada: well, 50 is average I hear Rada: oh up_the_irons: so I more than doubled that Rada: In that case, nice!
I decided I'm going to host nothing on my VPS
More precisely, I've bought nihilism.(dk|be) up_the_irons: hhaha Rada: what.should@nihilism.be up_the_irons: LOL ***: timburke has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) obsidieth: :D nice
i wonder why my vhost doesnt work on freenode
is that a feature not a bug up_the_irons: don't know much about vhosts...
should work afaik
WHT UnixBench on one of my Linux VMs: http://pastie.org/private/ttqy6gwl75beppwyg5tkqg Rada: I think I have a few machines here at work that can beat your score
Think 16G+ RAM quad-quad-core RAID-10 just-give-us-the-most-expensive-shit-you-can-throw-together muscle 2U IBM/Dell servers.
I ask never to see the prices of the hardware we buy. I need my jaw for chewing food, not wiping floors. up_the_irons: yeah, i'm pretty sure those could beat my score Rada: add to that, the developers here rarely think of multithreading as an option :( nerdd: Rada: You should be glad, they're not thinking of multithreading.. Multithreading is a Pandora's Box of deadlocks, race conditions and mem leaks. Rada: :')
I'm not glad because I can manage to load my laptop harder than they can load a server
... using just terminal emulators and doing only stuff i need ... -: nerdd doesn't implement multithreading himself, because he knows he's too stupid to do it right :) Rada: I mean it's just simple stuff, like working on several datasets at once. nerdd: Then why not just launch several processes? If they are completely unrelated, wouldn't that be smarter than creating threads? Rada: bound by disk io, linear access is much faster than random ***: heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks Rada: oh man :±
http://pastie.org/645322 mhoran: Whew. It's been busy in here! nerdd: Pretty well for a Atom 330 @ 1.60GHz imo:
http://pastie.org/private/yryrarwala8bzyf3avxwbw up_the_irons: Rada: you should try the WHT version Rada: Whats a WHT :P
oh that up_the_irons: nerdd: not bad :) nerdd: up_the_irons: Nope, it's my tiny server in my wardrobe at home :) up_the_irons: hah nerdd: It was actually kinda cool looking at top and seeing "180 processes: 26 running, 154 sleeping" Rada: What the hell =/ only 482 nerdd: Rada: lulz.. What a crappy piece of junk :p mike-burns: Rada: I own nihili.st! We're philoso-domain-twins! Rada: mike-burns: NICE!
ni.hili.st :D -: up_the_irons slaps himself mike-burns: Nah that's owned by one of the OGC guys. Wait, is that one of you? Rada: nope mike-burns: I haven't figured out what to do with nihili.st. Not even sure if I'll renew it. Rada: :O
gief!
or use it
put a black page at least.
Nothingness is really cool. I think it's gonna get very popular in due time. mike-burns: Not even sure when it expires; maybe in a month.
Nothingness was popular a year ago. Its time is over. Rada: I guess I totally passed over that fad mike-burns: Ah it'll come around again. Rada: It always does. Todays consumerism almost guarantees at least a few people to look around and think "wtf am i doing man?" mike-burns: Well that's minimalism, but yeah.
up_the_irons: The FAQ would be more known if it were in the first 80 chars of the topic. Rada: What it turns into depends on how you're predisposed to interpret it. Anyway, a link to the faq in the /topic would be nice yes- up_the_irons: this is true mike-burns: http://dougbarton.us/portmaster-proposal.html - I like when developers do this and we all use this software, so I'm just making this known. up_the_irons: time to expire
cd $bed obsidieth: lata ***: vtoms has joined #arpnetworks
visinin has joined #arpnetworks jeev: anyone have a merchant
i need to find someone who deals with online shit
who the merchant i
s
who the best merchants, bulletproof mike-burns: We use Authenticate.net and Paypal at work.
No complaints. mhoran: We use Authorize.net here.
I think mike-burns meant authorize.net :) mike-burns: SUre did. jeev: authorize.net is a gateway
their merchant goes through another bank mike-burns: Oh I see.
Then in that case: no idea. jeev: iwant to know who those penis enlargement companies use ***: ballen has joined #arpnetworks jeev: those companies are bulletproof mike-burns: And private. ballen: up_the_irons: around? jeev: yea
because no matter how many times you complain about those tv sales shit
they still keep their accounts and fight back mike-burns: jeev: I have been wondering about this too; if you figure it out let us know. jeev: for sure
i have a friend in one of those businesses, makes a lot.
i'll ask him when i get a chance mike-burns: Nice. ballen: up_the_irons: sent an email, let me know
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bobbyw has joined #arpnetworks bobbyw: does vps hosting come with any sort of dns management? Thorgrimr: ARP will handle DNS for you, or you can install your own dns daemon and run it yourself up_the_irons: anyone know of FreeDNS does IPv4 reverse DNS management? I saw it for IPv6 (and got it working), but why can't I find the IPv4 version... bobbyw: ah ok up_the_irons: bobbyw: http://support.arpnetworks.com/faqs/main/reverse-dns
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the ipv6 is great though ***: dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks
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for* up_the_irons: dbgi2IAm: $4 - 5 usable IPs, $8 - 13 usable IPs (basically, 50 cents per IP, for entire subnet) dbgi2IAm: ok cool, thanks, im gonna keep that in mind ballen: up_the_irons: get the second email? up_the_irons: ballen: maybe, haven't checked, fighting IPMI :( ballen: fuuun
basically was asking
trading down to 50GB bandwidth for how much disk space
i.e. $5 = host much disk space ***: vtoms has joined #arpnetworks
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bobbyw has quit IRC () up_the_irons: ballen: i'm around, now f*cking w/ java :( i got your email, but i kinda don't understand the question; i know you're trying to trade one for the other; i guess i don't have a quick answer. I never priced disk space / bandwidth individually, more like a bundle. just tell me what price point you wanna hit, and i'll tell u what i can give for that ballen: so for three VMs I need to keep it under 100
I need a minimum of 70GB of HD on two of them
the smaller being the default with 50GB of bandwidth
the third smaller one I mean ***: bobbyw has joined #arpnetworks
bobbyw has quit IRC (Client Quit) up_the_irons: ballen: so the third smaller one being 1GB and 40GB? ballen: right up_the_irons: ballen: so we're looking at 70+70+40 = 180GB in total? do you need the 40G on the third or can you go smaller? ballen: umm 40 is about as low as I could go, why is there a price point I'm just above? up_the_irons: ballen: no, just that it is a lot of disk space for 100 ballen: before, it was $40 for a 100GB no? up_the_irons: i'll make it work, just let me think about it some
yeah, $40 for 100gb ballen: ok dokie. Also with the first quote, how much storage would I need to take off to make it $35 up_the_irons: um ballen: sorry for all the different custimizations up_the_irons: no problem, that's why i'm here :)
To Meet Your Needs(tm) ballen: heh up_the_irons: if you take off 20G, i can make the $40 -> $35 ballen: k up_the_irons: with the first quote, 40 +40 + 25= 105, which is close to 100, and gives you more than your minimum disk
so shave off some disk, we can go below 100 ballen: cool
I don't know how hard that cost is
as far as if I can go over 100
so since I likely will not be me ordering this up_the_irons: brb leg cramp , gah! ballen: is there a way to show the ordering person the price we're going to spending on the order page
also do you have options to buy N months at a time up_the_irons: ballen: i don't have a way to change the order page w/ custom quotes, but I can just send you a regular quote in PDF (what I do for my colo / bandwidth quotes) ballen: hmmm up_the_irons: ballen: you can buy 6 months or 12 months at a time ballen: would it be kosher to pick a matching cost plan on the order page up_the_irons: ballen: and have me modify it later with what we discussed? ballen: I just have a feeling if procurement has to plan an order they're going to shit a fit if the reciept doesn't have the right price on it
yea
s/plan/place
yea, and match the pdf quote afterwards up_the_irons: the receipt will have whatever price we agree upon anyway; the order form doesn't charge the card ballen: ah
ok
does the order form require selecting a VPS?
just thinking I could have them put the quote # in Additional
with the cost up_the_irons: that's a good idea
ballen: you can fill out a "generic" order form by simply doing: http://arpnetworks.com/order
see, there's nothing there :)
under "Additional", any notes can be placed ballen: that'll do nicly
nicely
awesome, ok tomorrow I'll let you know what exactly we're getting up_the_irons: ballen: I'll make a quote, just send me the Admin Contact and Billing Contact (can be the same) ballen: uhhh
good question up_the_irons: ballen: it's just to fill out the form, i guess it doesn't matter; put yourself if you like :)
just a quote ballen: heh ok up_the_irons: just tell me tomorrow exactly what you decide on and i'll put it all together ballen: k will do, thanks man up_the_irons: no prob! ballen: guessing the DRBD setup would cost more for the extra storage? up_the_irons: ballen: no, it just replaces the "nightly backup" (your extra volume for backups) ballen: we have nightly backups? up_the_irons: ballen: i did at one point, but it required a client script (inside VM). I want to do backups w/ DRBD instead ballen: ah right on up_the_irons: b/c then it does not require the client to do anything
it's not a backup in the sense "crap I deleted my /etc/passwd, where can I find yesterday's version?"; more like, "if the host box dies, can I fire up the VM on a different box", and the answer to that would be yes ballen: bitchin
yea I can take care of normal backups up_the_irons: yeah, i figure most people can
i would still like to find a way to do lightweight incremental backups of block devices ballen: since the bandwidth between sites is literally almost what I have locally its no prob up_the_irons: between sites? ballen: LANL => You up_the_irons: ah ok ballen: I'll just have to watch my bandwidth on your side up_the_irons: yeah ballen: ordered my coffee grinder today
now just need to decide on the esspresso machine
espresso up_the_irons: nice! ballen: wonder how much difference the grinder will make using my $150 piece of a espresso machine ***: bithash has joined #arpnetworks
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