[00:44] *** nerdd_ has joined #arpnetworks [00:58] *** nerdd has quit IRC (Nick collision from services.) [00:58] *** nerdd_ is now known as nerdd [01:01] *** visinin has quit IRC ("sleep") [01:22] *** baklava has quit IRC ("Game Over. Please insert another token into the ring.") [01:44] *** baklava has joined #arpnetworks [03:19] *** nerdd_ has joined #arpnetworks [03:26] *** nerdd has quit IRC (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) [03:37] * up_the_irons yawns [03:37] i actually slept (and woke up now), time for some codin'... [03:46] *** baklava has quit IRC (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [03:46] *** jester1 has quit IRC (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [03:46] *** nuke has quit IRC (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [03:46] *** baklava has joined #arpnetworks [03:46] *** jester1 has joined #arpnetworks [03:46] *** nuke has joined #arpnetworks [04:06] *** nerdd_ is now known as nerdd [04:23] I noticed there's an 'arpnetworks maintenance account' on my VPS [04:23] What breaks if I remove it? [04:24] up_the_irons's cool [04:27] Rada: http://support.arpnetworks.com/faqs/vps/what-is-the-maintenance-account-on-my-vps [04:29] Rada: and http://support.arpnetworks.com/faqs/vps/can-i-delete-the-arpnetworks-user-on-my-vps [04:29] :) [04:29] wow there's a faq? I have to read that [04:29] Rada: there was a discussion a few days ago as to whether the FAQ was hard to find, or too complicated, and whether I should move it to the main site ;) [04:30] I believe it should be linked to as part of the setup 'here's your passwords now go play' mail [04:30] like, before the passwords themselvesesseses [04:32] gotcha [04:45] *** Thorgrimr has quit IRC ("leaving") [05:00] i had no clue it existed. [05:03] hehe [05:03] there's really not much on it actually [05:03] been meaning to flesh it out [05:11] w00t, got 136.1 on the WHT UnixBench script [05:19] I dont even know what that's supposed to mean but nice i guess. [05:19] :D [05:20] *** Thorgrimr has joined #arpnetworks [05:20] Rada: well, 50 is average I hear [05:20] oh [05:20] so I more than doubled that [05:20] In that case, nice! [05:20] I decided I'm going to host nothing on my VPS [05:21] More precisely, I've bought nihilism.(dk|be) [05:22] hhaha [05:23] what.should@nihilism.be [05:24] LOL [05:26] *** timburke has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [05:29] :D nice [05:30] i wonder why my vhost doesnt work on freenode [05:30] is that a feature not a bug [05:36] don't know much about vhosts... [05:36] should work afaik [05:37] WHT UnixBench on one of my Linux VMs: http://pastie.org/private/ttqy6gwl75beppwyg5tkqg [05:44] I think I have a few machines here at work that can beat your score [05:45] Think 16G+ RAM quad-quad-core RAID-10 just-give-us-the-most-expensive-shit-you-can-throw-together muscle 2U IBM/Dell servers. [05:47] I ask never to see the prices of the hardware we buy. I need my jaw for chewing food, not wiping floors. [05:52] yeah, i'm pretty sure those could beat my score [05:53] add to that, the developers here rarely think of multithreading as an option :( [05:55] Rada: You should be glad, they're not thinking of multithreading.. Multithreading is a Pandora's Box of deadlocks, race conditions and mem leaks. [05:56] :') [05:56] I'm not glad because I can manage to load my laptop harder than they can load a server [05:56] ... using just terminal emulators and doing only stuff i need ... [05:57] * nerdd doesn't implement multithreading himself, because he knows he's too stupid to do it right :) [05:57] I mean it's just simple stuff, like working on several datasets at once. [05:59] Then why not just launch several processes? If they are completely unrelated, wouldn't that be smarter than creating threads? [06:12] bound by disk io, linear access is much faster than random [06:16] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [06:40] oh man :± [06:40] http://pastie.org/645322 [06:45] Whew. It's been busy in here! [06:49] Pretty well for a Atom 330 @ 1.60GHz imo: [06:49] http://pastie.org/private/yryrarwala8bzyf3avxwbw [06:49] Rada: you should try the WHT version [06:49] Whats a WHT :P [06:49] oh that [06:49] nerdd: not bad :) [06:50] up_the_irons: Nope, it's my tiny server in my wardrobe at home :) [06:51] hah [06:56] It was actually kinda cool looking at top and seeing "180 processes: 26 running, 154 sleeping" [07:03] What the hell =/ only 482 [07:04] Rada: lulz.. What a crappy piece of junk :p [07:04] Rada: I own nihili.st! We're philoso-domain-twins! [07:05] mike-burns: NICE! [07:11] ni.hili.st :D [07:11] * up_the_irons slaps himself [07:11] Nah that's owned by one of the OGC guys. Wait, is that one of you? [07:12] nope [07:12] I haven't figured out what to do with nihili.st. Not even sure if I'll renew it. [07:12] :O [07:12] gief! [07:12] or use it [07:12] put a black page at least. [07:13] Nothingness is really cool. I think it's gonna get very popular in due time. [07:13] Not even sure when it expires; maybe in a month. [07:13] Nothingness was popular a year ago. Its time is over. [07:14] I guess I totally passed over that fad [07:14] Ah it'll come around again. [07:14] It always does. Todays consumerism almost guarantees at least a few people to look around and think "wtf am i doing man?" [07:15] Well that's minimalism, but yeah. [07:15] up_the_irons: The FAQ would be more known if it were in the first 80 chars of the topic. [07:16] What it turns into depends on how you're predisposed to interpret it. Anyway, a link to the faq in the /topic would be nice yes- [07:16] this is true [07:16] http://dougbarton.us/portmaster-proposal.html - I like when developers do this and we all use this software, so I'm just making this known. [07:19] time to expire [07:19] cd $bed [07:24] lata [07:26] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [09:01] *** visinin has joined #arpnetworks [12:33] anyone have a merchant [12:34] i need to find someone who deals with online shit [12:34] who the merchant i [12:34] s [12:34] who the best merchants, bulletproof [12:43] We use Authenticate.net and Paypal at work. [12:44] No complaints. [12:45] We use Authorize.net here. [12:46] I think mike-burns meant authorize.net :) [12:46] SUre did. [13:47] authorize.net is a gateway [13:48] their merchant goes through another bank [13:48] Oh I see. [13:48] Then in that case: no idea. [13:48] iwant to know who those penis enlargement companies use [13:48] *** ballen has joined #arpnetworks [13:48] those companies are bulletproof [13:48] And private. [13:48] up_the_irons: around? [13:49] yea [13:49] because no matter how many times you complain about those tv sales shit [13:49] they still keep their accounts and fight back [13:49] jeev: I have been wondering about this too; if you figure it out let us know. [13:49] for sure [13:49] i have a friend in one of those businesses, makes a lot. [13:50] i'll ask him when i get a chance [13:50] Nice. [14:04] up_the_irons: sent an email, let me know [14:04] bbl [14:04] *** ballen has quit IRC () [14:51] *** vtoms has quit IRC ("Leaving.") [15:06] *** nerdd has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [15:11] *** timburke has joined #arpnetworks [15:17] *** heavysixer has quit IRC () [15:22] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [16:07] *** nerdd has joined #arpnetworks [16:08] *** bobbyw has joined #arpnetworks [16:09] does vps hosting come with any sort of dns management? [16:10] ARP will handle DNS for you, or you can install your own dns daemon and run it yourself [16:15] anyone know of FreeDNS does IPv4 reverse DNS management? I saw it for IPv6 (and got it working), but why can't I find the IPv4 version... [16:15] ah ok [16:15] bobbyw: http://support.arpnetworks.com/faqs/main/reverse-dns [16:17] s/of/if/ [17:20] *** nerdd has quit IRC (Nick collision from services.) [17:21] *** nerdd has joined #arpnetworks [17:30] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [17:53] nah, i dont think they do [17:53] the ipv6 is great though [17:56] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [18:09] *** ballen has joined #arpnetworks [18:10] *** bithash has joined #arpnetworks [18:10] Hello ppl [18:11] bithash: Evening [18:21] howdy bithash [18:29] up_the_irons how much do you charge per extra ipv4 ip? [18:30] *** bobbyw has quit IRC () [18:30] 4 bucks of a /29 [18:30] for* [18:30] dbgi2IAm: $4 - 5 usable IPs, $8 - 13 usable IPs (basically, 50 cents per IP, for entire subnet) [18:32] ok cool, thanks, im gonna keep that in mind [18:33] up_the_irons: get the second email? [18:33] ballen: maybe, haven't checked, fighting IPMI :( [18:33] fuuun [18:33] basically was asking [18:34] trading down to 50GB bandwidth for how much disk space [18:34] i.e. $5 = host much disk space [19:17] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [19:34] *** bobbyw has joined #arpnetworks [19:36] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [19:39] up_the_irons are you around? [19:41] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [19:47] *** vtoms has quit IRC ("Leaving.") [19:52] *** bithash has left [19:57] *** heavysixer has quit IRC () [20:13] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [20:20] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [20:20] *** bobbyw has quit IRC () [20:24] ballen: i'm around, now f*cking w/ java :( i got your email, but i kinda don't understand the question; i know you're trying to trade one for the other; i guess i don't have a quick answer. I never priced disk space / bandwidth individually, more like a bundle. just tell me what price point you wanna hit, and i'll tell u what i can give for that [20:25] so for three VMs I need to keep it under 100 [20:25] I need a minimum of 70GB of HD on two of them [20:25] the smaller being the default with 50GB of bandwidth [20:25] the third smaller one I mean [20:26] *** bobbyw has joined #arpnetworks [20:29] *** bobbyw has quit IRC (Client Quit) [20:31] ballen: so the third smaller one being 1GB and 40GB? [20:31] right [20:33] ballen: so we're looking at 70+70+40 = 180GB in total? do you need the 40G on the third or can you go smaller? [20:34] umm 40 is about as low as I could go, why is there a price point I'm just above? [20:35] ballen: no, just that it is a lot of disk space for 100 [20:36] before, it was $40 for a 100GB no? [20:36] i'll make it work, just let me think about it some [20:37] yeah, $40 for 100gb [20:37] ok dokie. Also with the first quote, how much storage would I need to take off to make it $35 [20:39] um [20:39] sorry for all the different custimizations [20:39] no problem, that's why i'm here :) [20:39] To Meet Your Needs(tm) [20:39] heh [20:41] if you take off 20G, i can make the $40 -> $35 [20:41] k [20:42] with the first quote, 40 +40 + 25= 105, which is close to 100, and gives you more than your minimum disk [20:42] so shave off some disk, we can go below 100 [20:42] cool [20:42] I don't know how hard that cost is [20:42] as far as if I can go over 100 [20:43] so since I likely will not be me ordering this [20:44] brb leg cramp , gah! [20:44] is there a way to show the ordering person the price we're going to spending on the order page [20:46] also do you have options to buy N months at a time [20:53] ballen: i don't have a way to change the order page w/ custom quotes, but I can just send you a regular quote in PDF (what I do for my colo / bandwidth quotes) [20:53] hmmm [20:53] ballen: you can buy 6 months or 12 months at a time [20:55] would it be kosher to pick a matching cost plan on the order page [20:56] ballen: and have me modify it later with what we discussed? [20:56] I just have a feeling if procurement has to plan an order they're going to shit a fit if the reciept doesn't have the right price on it [20:56] yea [20:56] s/plan/place [20:56] yea, and match the pdf quote afterwards [20:56] the receipt will have whatever price we agree upon anyway; the order form doesn't charge the card [20:58] ah [20:58] ok [20:58] does the order form require selecting a VPS? [20:58] just thinking I could have them put the quote # in Additional [20:58] with the cost [20:59] that's a good idea [20:59] ballen: you can fill out a "generic" order form by simply doing: http://arpnetworks.com/order [20:59] see, there's nothing there :) [21:00] under "Additional", any notes can be placed [21:00] that'll do nicly [21:00] nicely [21:00] awesome, ok tomorrow I'll let you know what exactly we're getting [21:00] ballen: I'll make a quote, just send me the Admin Contact and Billing Contact (can be the same) [21:01] uhhh [21:01] good question [21:01] ballen: it's just to fill out the form, i guess it doesn't matter; put yourself if you like :) [21:01] just a quote [21:01] heh ok [21:02] just tell me tomorrow exactly what you decide on and i'll put it all together [21:02] k will do, thanks man [21:03] no prob! [21:04] guessing the DRBD setup would cost more for the extra storage? [21:05] ballen: no, it just replaces the "nightly backup" (your extra volume for backups) [21:06] we have nightly backups? [21:07] ballen: i did at one point, but it required a client script (inside VM). I want to do backups w/ DRBD instead [21:08] ah right on [21:08] b/c then it does not require the client to do anything [21:09] it's not a backup in the sense "crap I deleted my /etc/passwd, where can I find yesterday's version?"; more like, "if the host box dies, can I fire up the VM on a different box", and the answer to that would be yes [21:09] bitchin [21:10] yea I can take care of normal backups [21:10] yeah, i figure most people can [21:10] i would still like to find a way to do lightweight incremental backups of block devices [21:10] since the bandwidth between sites is literally almost what I have locally its no prob [21:11] between sites? [21:11] LANL => You [21:11] ah ok [21:11] I'll just have to watch my bandwidth on your side [21:12] yeah [21:13] ordered my coffee grinder today [21:13] now just need to decide on the esspresso machine [21:13] espresso [21:14] nice! [21:15] wonder how much difference the grinder will make using my $150 piece of a espresso machine [21:16] *** bithash has joined #arpnetworks [21:26] *** jester1 has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [21:29] *** jester1 has joined #arpnetworks [21:38] *** Nat_UB has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [21:44] *** Nat_UB has joined #arpnetworks [22:15] *** bithash has left [22:28] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS9Bvw0L7VE [22:49] *** Nat_UB has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) [22:49] *** Nat_UB has joined #arpnetworks [23:17] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away