#arpnetworks 2009-10-07,Wed

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up_the_ironsup_the_irons yawns
i actually slept (and woke up now), time for some codin'... 		[03:37]
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RadaI noticed there's an 'arpnetworks maintenance account' on my VPS
What breaks if I remove it? 		[04:23]
obsidiethup_the_irons's cool [04:24]
up_the_ironsRada: http://support.arpnetworks.com/faqs/vps/what-is-the-maintenance-account-on-my-vps
Rada: and http://support.arpnetworks.com/faqs/vps/can-i-delete-the-arpnetworks-user-on-my-vps
:) 		[04:27]
Radawow there's a faq? I have to read that [04:29]
up_the_ironsRada: there was a discussion a few days ago as to whether the FAQ was hard to find, or too complicated, and whether I should move it to the main site ;) [04:29]
RadaI believe it should be linked to as part of the setup 'here's your passwords now go play' mail
like, before the passwords themselvesesseses 		[04:30]
up_the_ironsgotcha [04:32]
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obsidiethi had no clue it existed. [05:00]
up_the_ironshehe
there's really not much on it actually
been meaning to flesh it out 		[05:03]
w00t, got 136.1 on the WHT UnixBench script [05:11]
RadaI dont even know what that's supposed to mean but nice i guess.
:D 		[05:19]
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up_the_ironsRada: well, 50 is average I hear [05:20]
Radaoh [05:20]
up_the_ironsso I more than doubled that [05:20]
RadaIn that case, nice!
I decided I'm going to host nothing on my VPS
More precisely, I've bought nihilism.(dk|be) 		[05:20]
up_the_ironshhaha [05:22]
Radawhat.should@nihilism.be [05:23]
up_the_ironsLOL [05:24]
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obsidieth:D nice
i wonder why my vhost doesnt work on freenode
is that a feature not a bug 		[05:29]
up_the_ironsdon't know much about vhosts...
should work afaik
WHT UnixBench on one of my Linux VMs: http://pastie.org/private/ttqy6gwl75beppwyg5tkqg 		[05:36]
RadaI think I have a few machines here at work that can beat your score
Think 16G+ RAM quad-quad-core RAID-10 just-give-us-the-most-expensive-shit-you-can-throw-together muscle 2U IBM/Dell servers.
I ask never to see the prices of the hardware we buy. I need my jaw for chewing food, not wiping floors. 		[05:44]
up_the_ironsyeah, i'm pretty sure those could beat my score [05:52]
Radaadd to that, the developers here rarely think of multithreading as an option :( [05:53]
nerddRada: You should be glad, they're not thinking of multithreading.. Multithreading is a Pandora's Box of deadlocks, race conditions and mem leaks. [05:55]
Rada:')
I'm not glad because I can manage to load my laptop harder than they can load a server
... using just terminal emulators and doing only stuff i need ... 		[05:56]
nerddnerdd doesn't implement multithreading himself, because he knows he's too stupid to do it right :) [05:57]
RadaI mean it's just simple stuff, like working on several datasets at once. [05:57]
nerddThen why not just launch several processes? If they are completely unrelated, wouldn't that be smarter than creating threads? [05:59]
Radabound by disk io, linear access is much faster than random [06:12]
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Radaoh man :±
http://pastie.org/645322 		[06:40]
mhoranWhew. It's been busy in here! [06:45]
nerddPretty well for a Atom 330 @ 1.60GHz imo:
http://pastie.org/private/yryrarwala8bzyf3avxwbw
[06:49]
up_the_ironsRada: you should try the WHT version [06:49]
RadaWhats a WHT :P
oh that 		[06:49]
up_the_ironsnerdd: not bad :) [06:49]
nerddup_the_irons: Nope, it's my tiny server in my wardrobe at home :) [06:50]
up_the_ironshah [06:51]
nerddIt was actually kinda cool looking at top and seeing "180 processes: 26 running, 154 sleeping" [06:56]
RadaWhat the hell =/ only 482 [07:03]
nerddRada: lulz.. What a crappy piece of junk :p [07:04]
mike-burnsRada: I own nihili.st! We're philoso-domain-twins! [07:04]
Radamike-burns: NICE! [07:05]
ni.hili.st :D [07:11]
up_the_ironsup_the_irons slaps himself [07:11]
mike-burnsNah that's owned by one of the OGC guys. Wait, is that one of you? [07:11]
Radanope [07:12]
mike-burnsI haven't figured out what to do with nihili.st. Not even sure if I'll renew it. [07:12]
Rada:O
gief!
or use it
put a black page at least.
Nothingness is really cool. I think it's gonna get very popular in due time. 		[07:12]
mike-burnsNot even sure when it expires; maybe in a month.
Nothingness was popular a year ago. Its time is over. 		[07:13]
RadaI guess I totally passed over that fad [07:14]
mike-burnsAh it'll come around again. [07:14]
RadaIt always does. Todays consumerism almost guarantees at least a few people to look around and think "wtf am i doing man?" [07:14]
mike-burnsWell that's minimalism, but yeah.
up_the_irons: The FAQ would be more known if it were in the first 80 chars of the topic. 		[07:15]
RadaWhat it turns into depends on how you're predisposed to interpret it. Anyway, a link to the faq in the /topic would be nice yes- [07:16]
up_the_ironsthis is true [07:16]
mike-burnshttp://dougbarton.us/portmaster-proposal.html - I like when developers do this and we all use this software, so I'm just making this known. [07:16]
up_the_ironstime to expire
cd $bed 		[07:19]
obsidiethlata [07:24]
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jeevanyone have a merchant
i need to find someone who deals with online shit
who the merchant i
s
who the best merchants, bulletproof 		[12:33]
mike-burnsWe use Authenticate.net and Paypal at work.
No complaints. 		[12:43]
mhoranWe use Authorize.net here.
I think mike-burns meant authorize.net :) 		[12:45]
mike-burnsSUre did. [12:46]
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jeevauthorize.net is a gateway
their merchant goes through another bank 		[13:47]
mike-burnsOh I see.
Then in that case: no idea. 		[13:48]
jeeviwant to know who those penis enlargement companies use [13:48]
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jeevthose companies are bulletproof [13:48]
mike-burnsAnd private. [13:48]
ballenup_the_irons: around? [13:48]
jeevyea
because no matter how many times you complain about those tv sales shit
they still keep their accounts and fight back 		[13:49]
mike-burnsjeev: I have been wondering about this too; if you figure it out let us know. [13:49]
jeevfor sure
i have a friend in one of those businesses, makes a lot.
i'll ask him when i get a chance 		[13:49]
mike-burnsNice. [13:50]
ballenup_the_irons: sent an email, let me know
bbl 		[14:04]
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bobbywdoes vps hosting come with any sort of dns management? [16:09]
ThorgrimrARP will handle DNS for you, or you can install your own dns daemon and run it yourself [16:10]
up_the_ironsanyone know of FreeDNS does IPv4 reverse DNS management? I saw it for IPv6 (and got it working), but why can't I find the IPv4 version... [16:15]
bobbywah ok [16:15]
up_the_ironsbobbyw: http://support.arpnetworks.com/faqs/main/reverse-dns
s/of/if/ 		[16:15]
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obsidiethnah, i dont think they do
the ipv6 is great though 		[17:53]
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bithashHello ppl [18:10]
Nat_UBbithash: Evening [18:11]
Thorgrimrhowdy bithash [18:21]
dbgi2IAmup_the_irons how much do you charge per extra ipv4 ip? [18:29]
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ballen4 bucks of a /29
for* 		[18:30]
up_the_ironsdbgi2IAm: $4 - 5 usable IPs, $8 - 13 usable IPs (basically, 50 cents per IP, for entire subnet) [18:30]
dbgi2IAmok cool, thanks, im gonna keep that in mind [18:32]
ballenup_the_irons: get the second email? [18:33]
up_the_ironsballen: maybe, haven't checked, fighting IPMI :( [18:33]
ballenfuuun
basically was asking
trading down to 50GB bandwidth for how much disk space
i.e. $5 = host much disk space 		[18:33]
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bithashup_the_irons are you around? [19:39]
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up_the_ironsballen: i'm around, now f*cking w/ java :( i got your email, but i kinda don't understand the question; i know you're trying to trade one for the other; i guess i don't have a quick answer. I never priced disk space / bandwidth individually, more like a bundle. just tell me what price point you wanna hit, and i'll tell u what i can give for that [20:24]
ballenso for three VMs I need to keep it under 100
I need a minimum of 70GB of HD on two of them
the smaller being the default with 50GB of bandwidth
the third smaller one I mean 		[20:25]
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up_the_ironsballen: so the third smaller one being 1GB and 40GB? [20:31]
ballenright [20:31]
up_the_ironsballen: so we're looking at 70+70+40 = 180GB in total? do you need the 40G on the third or can you go smaller? [20:33]
ballenumm 40 is about as low as I could go, why is there a price point I'm just above? [20:34]
up_the_ironsballen: no, just that it is a lot of disk space for 100 [20:35]
ballenbefore, it was $40 for a 100GB no? [20:36]
up_the_ironsi'll make it work, just let me think about it some
yeah, $40 for 100gb 		[20:36]
ballenok dokie. Also with the first quote, how much storage would I need to take off to make it $35 [20:37]
up_the_ironsum [20:39]
ballensorry for all the different custimizations [20:39]
up_the_ironsno problem, that's why i'm here :)
To Meet Your Needs(tm) 		[20:39]
ballenheh [20:39]
up_the_ironsif you take off 20G, i can make the $40 -> $35 [20:41]
ballenk [20:41]
up_the_ironswith the first quote, 40 +40 + 25= 105, which is close to 100, and gives you more than your minimum disk
so shave off some disk, we can go below 100 		[20:42]
ballencool
I don't know how hard that cost is
as far as if I can go over 100
so since I likely will not be me ordering this 		[20:42]
up_the_ironsbrb leg cramp , gah! [20:44]
ballenis there a way to show the ordering person the price we're going to spending on the order page
also do you have options to buy N months at a time 		[20:44]
up_the_ironsballen: i don't have a way to change the order page w/ custom quotes, but I can just send you a regular quote in PDF (what I do for my colo / bandwidth quotes) [20:53]
ballenhmmm [20:53]
up_the_ironsballen: you can buy 6 months or 12 months at a time [20:53]
ballenwould it be kosher to pick a matching cost plan on the order page [20:55]
up_the_ironsballen: and have me modify it later with what we discussed? [20:56]
ballenI just have a feeling if procurement has to plan an order they're going to shit a fit if the reciept doesn't have the right price on it
yea
s/plan/place
yea, and match the pdf quote afterwards 		[20:56]
up_the_ironsthe receipt will have whatever price we agree upon anyway; the order form doesn't charge the card [20:56]
ballenah
ok
does the order form require selecting a VPS?
just thinking I could have them put the quote # in Additional
with the cost 		[20:58]
up_the_ironsthat's a good idea
ballen: you can fill out a "generic" order form by simply doing: http://arpnetworks.com/order
see, there's nothing there :)
under "Additional", any notes can be placed 		[20:59]
ballenthat'll do nicly
nicely
awesome, ok tomorrow I'll let you know what exactly we're getting 		[21:00]
up_the_ironsballen: I'll make a quote, just send me the Admin Contact and Billing Contact (can be the same) [21:00]
ballenuhhh
good question 		[21:01]
up_the_ironsballen: it's just to fill out the form, i guess it doesn't matter; put yourself if you like :)
just a quote 		[21:01]
ballenheh ok [21:01]
up_the_ironsjust tell me tomorrow exactly what you decide on and i'll put it all together [21:02]
ballenk will do, thanks man [21:02]
up_the_ironsno prob! [21:03]
ballenguessing the DRBD setup would cost more for the extra storage? [21:04]
up_the_ironsballen: no, it just replaces the "nightly backup" (your extra volume for backups) [21:05]
ballenwe have nightly backups? [21:06]
up_the_ironsballen: i did at one point, but it required a client script (inside VM). I want to do backups w/ DRBD instead [21:07]
ballenah right on [21:08]
up_the_ironsb/c then it does not require the client to do anything
it's not a backup in the sense "crap I deleted my /etc/passwd, where can I find yesterday's version?"; more like, "if the host box dies, can I fire up the VM on a different box", and the answer to that would be yes 		[21:08]
ballenbitchin
yea I can take care of normal backups 		[21:09]
up_the_ironsyeah, i figure most people can
i would still like to find a way to do lightweight incremental backups of block devices 		[21:10]
ballensince the bandwidth between sites is literally almost what I have locally its no prob [21:10]
up_the_ironsbetween sites? [21:11]
ballenLANL => You [21:11]
up_the_ironsah ok [21:11]
ballenI'll just have to watch my bandwidth on your side [21:11]
up_the_ironsyeah [21:12]
ballenordered my coffee grinder today
now just need to decide on the esspresso machine
espresso 		[21:13]
up_the_ironsnice! [21:14]
ballenwonder how much difference the grinder will make using my $150 piece of a espresso machine [21:15]
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jeevhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS9Bvw0L7VE [22:28]
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