up_the_irons: so the 2nd CPU, rated at 80W, didn't hit the radar
I was *very* suprised by that actually
it makes the decision of 1 CPU or 2 a non issue ballen: yea it is interesting up_the_irons: besides just the cost of the sucker
nevertheless, I just pulled the trigger on ordering another box
this time, I'm getting the L5430's
same as E5430 but low voltage
50W TDP ballen: nehalems? up_the_irons: no, one generation earlier
the 5400's, not 5500's
nehalems are still too expensive ballen: ah
nehalems are damned fast though
have two 5520's in a box at work
compared against another box that has a 5420 in its noticable up_the_irons: For VMs, I don't think the CPU is the main bottleneck. I could get the extra speed, but I'd still max out at disk I/O
ballen: what is the box doing though? ballen: 5520 box is running ESXi
5420 is a web server up_the_irons: F' it, maybe my *next* box I'll try the 5500's
ESXi is a hungry mother though ballen: oh and its loves those CPUs up_the_irons: hahaha ballen: I have... 10 vms running now
or so
going to run out of disk space before anything up_the_irons: ballen: let me know when you get to 30 ;) ballen: doesn't touch the CPUs
yea I don't have the disk space
at least with my current provisioning
I do have like 22 gigs of ram free too up_the_irons: dbgi: i'm not gonna set your rdns up w/ RFC 2317, like the FAQ says, I want to try the "regular" class C style; meaning, you don't have to change much on your side
ballen: you must give 'em a lot of disk ballen: yea using local SAS drives
in RAID 5
only had 1.4T
my devs do bio work, so they VMs need a retarded amount of space dbgi: up_the_irons ok cool thanks man ballen: best $7k we spent though
dropped 5 servers so far in my env
and put them on this box up_the_irons: ballen: nice ballen: if you ever need to p2v a FreeBSD, let me know ;-)
FreeBSD box* dbgi: up_the_irons im learning this while im doing it, so easier is better, i appreciate it ballen: ugh... classless reverse dns deligation... dbgi: though im not sure what you mean by class c style up_the_irons: ballen: p2v?:) ballen: physical to virtual
moving a metal install to a vm up_the_irons: ah gotcha
i've done plenty of those, not w/ freebsd though ballen: dump and restore work surprisingly well for it
just boot with a FreeBSD 8 "live" cd
and put into the cd fixit env
s/put/boot
ftp over the dump file
partition, etc
restore
make sure fstab works for the new env
make sure rc.conf is fixed for the new env
good to go
also if you have a custom kernel... install the generic one before doing the dump up_the_irons: dbgi: what are the IP(s) / hostnames of your DNS servers?
ballen: yeah, sounds similar to how i p2v'd linux boxes ballen: damnit to freaking hell Ferret doesn't compile on OS X dbgi: 206.125.172.78 up_the_irons up_the_irons: dbgi: ok dbgi: my friend coil in here is helping me, hes knows freebsd really well and admin sum servers, and had done dns, just never from a vps with ips owned by a company like this
so its kinda a learning experiance for us both up_the_irons: non RFC 2317 sub-class C delegation is new to me too ;)
but recently i've read -- http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/avoid-rfc-2317-delegation-example-1.html#SuperdomainBIND
dbgi: is your bind running now? dbgi: up_the_irons yes its running now up_the_irons: ok ballen: omg, thats so much better
rfc-2317 is hell up_the_irons: rfc 2317 is easy, be a man
;) ballen: hah up_the_irons: i've set it up for countless of people and it wasn't that hard..
i actually having trouble getting his example working ballen: its just urgly
ugly* up_the_irons: dbgi: can i log into your VM and look at your dns setup? dbgi: yes sure up_the_irons: ok
dbgi: hah, you did an RFC 2317 "style" setup ;)
64/28.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa
wrong zone name dbgi: my friend coil did it
hes been helping cause i dont know much about it
whats wrong with it up_the_irons? can u fix it by any chance? up_the_irons: dbgi: workin on it dbgi: thank you so much ballen: why are there so many search engines written in java... up_the_irons: dbgi: resolver was only listening on localhost; fixing... dbgi: whats wrong with java?
oh ok ballen: it means I need to install JVM... and thats not happening on FreeBSD up_the_irons: ballen: why are the Hive guys trying to abstract the integer? which is already an object in Java. and Object of an Object
i don't get why there is that 'a.ns.*' glue record in the bind example
why don't i straight "NS" it to the downstream dbgi: coil
thats fine to me ***: Guest13375 has joined #arpnetworks
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scoil scoil: hi dbgi: [03:56] <@up_the_irons> i don't get why there is that 'a.ns.*' glue record in the bind example
[03:56] <@up_the_irons> why don't i straight "NS" it to the downstream scoil: yea idk either dbgi: i know very little about bind, coil knows it pretty well scoil: i wouldn't say i know it pretty well dbgi: o ok'
better then me then up_the_irons: scoil: dbgi: i think i have it almost working dbgi: you know, no other place could u get help like this from the people who work and run the company
sweet up_the_irons, thats awesome scoil: yeah never seen this before
we both appreciate it very much up_the_irons: hehe, no problem dbgi: seriously though, its awesome up_the_irons: I aim to please scoil: just what are you doing
so i'll know -: dbgi is a customer for life i think up_the_irons: scoil: i'll let u know once i'm done
dig: couldn't get address for 'a.ns.71.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa': not found
ugh
i am hating bind right now... dbgi: sorry man ballen: up_the_irons: should use djbdns ;-) up_the_irons: ballen: i've been meaning to switch for a long time, just too many projects... -: ballen was very much kidding up_the_irons: dbgi: not your fault; i'm trying a different delegation scheme here, that should be easier for customers in the future, so it is worth the time spent
ballen: well, getting away from bind would be nice. i want to switch resolution to "unbound" and delegation to "nsd" dbgi: kk
if i dall asleep im really sorry
ill read up in here if i do ballen: up_the_irons: ever hear of http://xapian.org/
another search engine
with a ruby lib here: http://github.com/ryanb/xapit up_the_irons: ballen: sounds familiar
dbgi: no problem, don't wait up ;) dbgi: you sure?
ill read up in here when i get up ok
my eyes are all blurry
and really, thanks you soooooooooooooooooo much for the help, i really appreciate it ballen: up_the_irons: it powers gmane.org's search up_the_irons: dbgi: no problem, get some rest :)
ballen: ah, nice dbgi: thanks, gnight all up_the_irons: l8r
alright.. for the record, i can't get that dude's instructions to work; switching back to regular RFC 2317, which has never been a problem in the past ballen: mmk
also for the record... I'm fairly sure there's no way to do fuzzy logic search with a key/value db that doesn't involve load the entire contents of a set into memory first
the only workable model I could come up with is storing permutations of the data and do normal include? on the set up_the_irons: dbgi: i *think* your rdns is working; i dunno why I had so much trouble with this one after I put it back to RFC 2317... maybe things are cached somewhere, you had a long TTL. I'm just gonna leave it alone for now; see the changes I did to /etc/namedb ***: ballen is now known as ballen|away
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Nat_UB has joined #arpnetworks Thorgrimr: Moanin obsidieth: elo up_the_irons: morn' Thorgrimr: Hey up_the_irons
Can I run dns for ipv6 on an ipv4-only host? up_the_irons: yeah but why would you want to? Thorgrimr: I'd like to run reverses etc for my stuff, but our primary dns boxes are ipv4
Either that, or I need to add another IP to this box to satisfy the two dns requirement up_the_irons: you can do it, there's no technical reason you can't Thorgrimr: Alright, thanks up_the_irons: np Thorgrimr: Have you got sample reverse zone files up anywhere (for v6)? Nat_UB: http://www.isi.edu/~bmanning/v6DNS.html#named.conf Thorgrimr: Yeah, but I thought ip6.int was deprecated over ip6.arpa? up_the_irons: i use ip6.arpa Thorgrimr: And we are assigned /64s? Or /48s? up_the_irons: /48 Thorgrimr: Okay, got a few too many 0's in my config
Well howbout that crap... use the right prefix length in the reverse zone and it actually starts responding :) mike-burns: Much as I like Sinatra's minimalism, it doesn't give you anything. If I built my own Tender I'd use Rails and Searchlogic. Maybe throw some freetext search engine at it if I discovered a perf problem.
And if I wanted to host my own blog I'd just use Wordpress.
But that's me; I'm lazy. up_the_irons: if anyone is interested in KVM and OpenBSD: http://scie.nti.st/2009/10/4/running-openbsd-4-5-in-kvm-on-ubuntu-linux-9-04
hot of the presses
*off Thorgrimr: cool up_the_irons: cd $bed Thorgrimr: g'night BeBoo_: O.o scoil: 11:46 Host 66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa not found: 2(SERVFAIL)a
that's from my isp's dns
but i see it works from the vps ***: ballen|away is now known as ballen
sentabi has joined #arpnetworks ballen: up_the_irons: .... did you sleep last night? mike-burns: up_the_irons doesn't sleep; he waits. ballen: scoil: did you try resolving that reverse pointing your client at arp's DNS server
would be a good troubleshooting step scoil: no i havent jeev: myfet.us
?
heh scoil: yea ballen: jeev: wierd jeev: what
scoil, check how much longer it's cached for scoil: 3600 jeev: yea it doesn't work on my arp box either ballen: scoil what is the IP of you VPS
your* jeev: ballen, probably 206.125.172.66
;) ballen: jeev: just checking scoil: well thats one of them
the ns is 206.125.172.78
Using domain server:
Name: 206.125.172.78
Address: 206.125.172.78#53
Aliases:
Host 66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa not found: 5(REFUSED)
oh ballen: so I be able to query it scoil?
directly
should* jeev: nslookup 206.125.172.66
;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 208.79.88.7, trying next server
;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 208.79.88.7, trying next server
** server can't find 66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa: SERVFAIL ballen: > server 206.125.172.78
Default server: 206.125.172.78
Address: 206.125.172.78#53
> 206.125.172.78
Server: 206.125.172.78
Address: 206.125.172.78#53
** server can't find 78.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa: REFUSED scoil: 66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa is an alias for 66.64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa.
66.64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer myfet.us.
so what does this mean
refused ballen: means your BIND server refuses to serve it
could be a few things
make sure theres no ACL's etc
can you query other domains on it remotely scoil: Using domain server:
Name: 206.125.172.78
Address: 206.125.172.78#53
Aliases:
Host google.com.cfl.rr.com not found: 5(REFUSED) jeev: scoil, it still says 3600 ? scoil: lol wtf google.com.cfl.rr.com
i asked for google.com not google.com.cfl.rr.com jeev: heh ballen: scoil: your local dns prefix scoil: jeev: iidk how do i check ballen: query for google.com.
note the ending . scoil: Using domain server:
Name: 206.125.172.78
Address: 206.125.172.78#53
Aliases:
Host google.com not found: 5(REFUSED) Thorgrimr: Sounds like recursion is disabled ballen: yea basically BIND won't do recursive lookups for you
which is good
for this type of server
whats the zone entry for the reverse zone scoil: zone "64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "/etc/namedb/206.125.172.64-79.rev"; }; ballen: reload named and check the log file any errors scoil: rndc: neither /etc/namedb/rndc.conf nor /etc/namedb/rndc.key was found ballen: using freebsd?
/etc/rc.d/named restart scoil: yeah fbsd
no errors ballen: on the local machine can you query for the IP? scoil: using its self for the dns yes
not arp's dns ***: coil_ has joined #arpnetworks coil_: but it resolves? ballen: then it sounds like its not the zone file, but an issue with how named is serving the zone ***: coil_ is now known as Guest89298 Guest89298: but its working? ballen: well your local dns resvolves locally... so the zone file locally works fine Guest89298: well i'm just confused with what freenode is doing ballen: by chance could you paste your named.conf into a pastie Guest89298: how come freenode was able to resolve it
yeah let me load up pastebin ballen: hmm
that is interesting ***: Guest89298 is now known as scort
scort has quit IRC (Client Quit) jeev: mephisto looks good ballen: yea its decent, has had a history of long terms of inactivity though jeev: ahh scoil: http://pastebin.com/m3a370f22 ballen: theres also Feather that uses Merb jeev: ballen, the one you told me.. requires a server and stuff man
i dont want to get into things where i need to make sure another db is running in the background
it's too much ballen: scoil: 68.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa. 3537 IN CNAME 68.64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa.
so the CNAME is showing up
nvm, thats just upsteam
i.e. Arp's NS server
which is a good thing, but doesn't help jeev: grrrrrrrrrr
i want to set up my blog
what do i do
i already got the tagline for it
ahmadinejad.org, calm down -- it's just a domain name. coil: lol jeev: wonder if up_the_irons has tried VIA from starbucks
if it's anything like the chipset, it'll fail
i tried it ballen: scoil: add allow-query { any; }; to options section at the top of named.conf and restart named
also for good measure use /etc/rc.d/named forcerestart coil: ok
named not running? (check /var/run/named/pid).
wrote key file "/var/named/etc/namedb/rndc.key"
Starting named. ***: coil_ has joined #arpnetworks coil_: hey it resolves ***: coil_ is now known as Guest77531 coil: oh only on freenode jeev: god named is gay
;D ballen: it doesn't appear to, to me -: ballen is confused ballen: jeev: it really is jeev: works for me from other servers
what really is ballen: named jeev: ahh yea ballen: coil: well with that option in there you should also have: recursion no;
and allow-query-cache { none; }; coil: ok ballen: so people can't use your named server to lookup anytihng but your domains jeev: eh
you could enable that
i use djbdns :) ballen: coil: alright thats all I got so far. I need some breakfast and coffee jeev: tinydns foR LiFe ballen: jeev: you would coil: ok
i enabled those
or added the options jeev: eh ballen: coil: is this a /28 coil: yes ballen: starting at .64? coil: yea ballen: change your zone entry to: zone "64-28.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa" {
and make sure you zone file matches coil: do i have to change the serial ballen: meh
not for now coil: so 206.125.172.64-79.rev would be 206.125.172.28-64.rev? ballen: you don't need to change the filename
this probably is equivalent to what was there, but worth a shot coil: ohhh ballen: note: its zone "64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa"
err
64-28
i.e. 64/28 coil: yeah got you ballen: k, I'll be back in a bit jeev: http://www.simpledns.com/lookup-dg.aspx
go there
trace it ballen: let me know if it works jeev: i used to have the way to do it from command line
i forgot ballen: jeev: yea deligation is working correctly in this case ***: ballen is now known as ballen|away coil: -> Authority: NS-record for 64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa = 206.125.172.78 jeev: it shouldn't continued to trace to his server ***: coil__ has joined #arpnetworks coil__: what about ipv6, do i have to do the same setps with it
get it delegated first? ***: coil__ has left
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ballen is now known as ballen|away jeev: lol ***: ballen|away is now known as ballen
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ballen|away is now known as ballen up_the_irons: scoil: coil Guest24065 ballen: I wouldn't change the zone name, it must match what I have in mine: http://pastie.org/private/k4jlwvgr6gxp32tv5s5sg
IPv6 is also delegated (just did that now)
IPv6 is way easier
0.0.2.4 IN NS 206.125.172.78. ballen: yea like I told him they're pretty much equivalent up_the_irons: that's all there is to it ballen: his server is refusing a query
directly to it up_the_irons: mm.. indeed
although i thought i saw that working last night
(it was refusing)
dig @206.125.172.78 66.64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa.
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 23321 ballen: out of zone, or named not allowing queries up_the_irons: yeah coil: ok so change it back?
change the zone?
64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa up_the_irons: the zone name *must* match what I have in my DNS: 64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa
gtg, bbl jeev: up
damnit ***: timburke has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) jeev: did you try VIA from starbucks
like it
? ***: timburke has joined #arpnetworks coil: ok i changed it
and i'm getting refused to myself now
Host 66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa not found: 5(REFUSED)
that's from the vps jeev: paste
config to pastebin coil: http://pastebin.com/m55602bd9 jeev: the .rev file contents coil: http://pastebin.com/m187967b1 jeev: ive never seen reverse delegated with cname coil: it's something he wanted to try ***: ballen is now known as ballen|away
ballen|away is now known as ballen ballen: jeev: thats std regarding the RFC ***: ballen is now known as ballen|away
ballen|away is now known as ballen jeev: never seen it coil: oh
apparently the .rev file had a syntax error in it ***: Guest24065 has quit IRC ("Reconnecting") jeev: why didn't i notice that
hmm ***: coil_ has joined #arpnetworks
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coil_ has joined #arpnetworks coil_: wtf jeev: coil, it'll take some time for the cache to expire probably ***: coil_ is now known as Guest27384 jeev: dns isn't instant Guest27384: yeah i'm using the round robbin
so i guess i'm just getting the same server over and over jeev: well if you're using round robin
you likely have it in YOUR cache
clear your cache and try the roundrobin again
or try kubrick.freenode.net or anthony.freenode.net
they're LA and OC coil: idk how to clear it in fbsd jeev: just try to /server kubrick.freenode.net, i dont either.. i use my own dnscache from djbdns
and clear it by taking it down and up ***: coil__ has joined #arpnetworks
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coil_ has joined #arpnetworks coil_: :D
well i'm satified ***: coil_ is now known as Guest98745 jeev: what server worked Guest98745: well i tried a different host
i'm on brown dbgi: coil
Guest98745 Guest98745: sup dbgi dbgi: is it going well? Guest98745: yes
it works
working on ipv6 now dbgi: SWEET
sweet Guest98745: go a head and think of some hosts dbgi: ok Guest98745: http://freedns.afraid.org/domain/registry/
search in there and come up with some sub domains dbgi: ok ***: Guest98745 has quit IRC ("leaving")
Thorgrimr has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) obsidieth: servfail. coil: its suppost to
unless it broke obsidieth: whats an ip to dig
or host.
i wont have any cached, we'll fin dout coil: 206.125.172.66 is the only one with an entry
it should be myfet.us obsidieth: 17:15:57 Host 66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa not found: 2(SERVFAIL) ***: Thorgrimr has joined #arpnetworks coil: obsidieth idk
it was working
and named is still running jeev: i think you've destroyed every single cache on earth ***: coil_ has joined #arpnetworks coil_: see it's working toddf: time to look to the stars ***: coil__ has joined #arpnetworks
coil_ is now known as Guest58201 coil__: its working
obsidieth: ballen: holy hell it works
what'd you do to fix it coil: #
64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa. IN SOA 206.125.172.78.
#
coil.scoil.info. (
that needed to be on the same line
and it fixed it ballen: ah jeev: ballen, im waiting for youto try to cinvince me to use that blogging software ballen: meh obsidieth: idk ballen: use whatever you want jeev: i'm looking for encouraging words coil__: lets try ipv6 ***: coil_ has joined #arpnetworks coil_: hmm obsidieth: [o@venom:~] host coil.scoil.info
Host coil.scoil.info not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[o@venom:~] host 206.125.172.78
Host 78.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa not found: 2(SERVFAIL) ***: coil_ is now known as Guest5032 Guest5032: well coil.scoil isn't a host ballen: coil.scoil.info doesn't resolve Guest5032: that's my email obsidieth: .66 ets a servfail Guest5032: ur a serv fail ballen: dig -x @206.125.172.78 206.125.172.78
; <<>> DiG 9.6.0-APPLE-P2 <<>> -x @206.125.172.78 206.125.172.78
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 58332
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;78.172.125.@206.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR Guest5032: ? -: ballen shrugs ***: Guest5032 has quit IRC ("Reconnecting")
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scort has joined #arpnetworks scort: if i was to install pf, would there be anything special i need for the vps
like i know i have to recompile the kernel, but i dont have to enable any specia devices or anything, right? ballen: nah
fyi, allow ICMP from up_the_irons monitoring server up_the_irons: ballen: you can't dig with "-x" directly on his resolver b/c he doesn't have the entire class C. this is what works: ballen: no idea what that IP is though up_the_irons: dig @206.125.172.78 66.64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa ptr ballen: up_the_irons: ah up_the_irons: scort: ballen: allow icmp for 208.79.88.56 scort: dns isn't working on about half the irc servers i've tried ***: coil_ has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: scort: keep the serial port in the kernel if you want out-of-band w/o VNC coil_: it works on freenode fine ***: coil_ is now known as Guest90705 scort: ok up_the_irons: scort: Guest90705: i think you guys destroyed every cache on earth, like jeev said ;) scort: lol up_the_irons: you should reduce the TTL to 5 minutes scort: ok up_the_irons: until you have everything worked out scort: so thats...
$calc(5*60)
er
300 up_the_irons: 300, yes -: ballen hates proofing papers up_the_irons: jeev: and no, i haven't tried VIA yet; i'm against individually plastic wrapped products (produces a crap ton of waste) ballen: isn't VIA instant coffe? up_the_irons: yup ballen: ew
I'll stick to my espresso up_the_irons: if i make my own coffee, it is french pressed
there is nothing better than pressed coffee, compared to drip
you waste nothing (no filter), and it is 10x stronger ballen: yea I do up the french press as well
but have been making primarly espresso
for the last month or so up_the_irons: cool Guest90705: lets see if ipv6 works ballen: waiting till I get a new job before I drop 1k+ on a new espresso machine and grinder ***: Guest90705 has quit IRC ("Changing server")
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visinin has joined #arpnetworks ballen: woot proof reading done... not to ensure LaTex didn't muck my figures up jeev: oh ballen
you try VIA from starbucks ?
up_the_irons, servers come in plastic ballen: closest starbucks is like 30 minutes away
I make my own coffee jeev: oh ballen: not a fan of instant coffee jeev: yea i guess
i like all kind as long as i can make it sweet ballen: thats what she said jeev: heh
nasty shit ballen: Drinking: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/287/38146
quite strong BeBoo_: coffee is nasty ballen: BeBoo_: blasphemy BeBoo_: ballen: tea ftw kthx ballen: tea is good BeBoo_: speaking of which... jeev: did anyone see Year One ? BeBoo_: i should make some ballen: but coffee... isss better BeBoo_: coffee causes kidney stones
you have fun with that
lol ballen: since when? BeBoo_: caffeine
However, in a latest survey maintain that kidney function is influenced by too much coffee or caffeine intake. It could lead to some problems for example diuresis, detrusor instability and kidney stones.
Caffeine intake has to be controlled or it can cause the painful medical situation of kidney stones. In a current examination, participants with a history of kidney stones were provided a dosage of caffeine equal to that found in two cups of coffee. ballen: well I'm boned dj_goku: Hi. BeBoo_: HI. dj_goku: I think I broke my vps :( -: BeBoo_ hands you a tissue visinin: how did you break it? dj_goku: I rebooted it, but it hasn't came back up. BeBoo_: dj_goku: connect to the vnc console
It is recommended that people prone to kidney stones ought to control their intake of coffee to less than two cups or 16 ounces per day. Caffeine is discovered in other beverages such as soda which have to be limited to amount alike as well. dj_goku: BeBoo_: Sorry, I read about the vnc console. But have not idea how to connect. BeBoo_: dj_goku: http://www.tightvnc.com/
download and install
enter the ip, port and password given to you
you should see your console scort: how does that work BeBoo_: how does what work? scort: the vnc console
even if you, say..take your network interface down BeBoo_: still confused on the question.
yes? visinin: scort: it's provided by the hypervisor BeBoo_: the vnc console is running on the host
not in the vps itself visinin: exactly scort: ahh ok BeBoo_: you can reboot and see the qemu bios post
i thought that was funny
tbh
that console access is a godsend... i failed to enable a flag on my filesystems after a kernel rebuild and it went into single-user
lol scort: haha
yeah it's very cool BeBoo_: i'm a linux dork... i used to use freebsd all the time but no one ever offered freebsd vpses... i never saw arp until recently
well, actually teknicaL found them dj_goku: I can't vnc to the IP of my vps. BeBoo_: its not your vps' IP
you were given an ip, port and password at signup. not sure if it's in the email but it's definately in your portal
it's a different IP
i assume it's the host's IP dj_goku: crap -: dj_goku feels dumb dj_goku: weird. BeBoo_: ? ballen: portal.arpnetworks.com
login dj_goku: locked up at boot ballen: its shown there dj_goku: well past post. ballen: hmm dj_goku: anyone have a openbsd vps in here? ballen: ctrl-alt-delete?
nah fbsd here dj_goku: its at setting tty flags ballen: up_the_irons: your presence is required BeBoo_: dj_goku: you'll need to boot into single user most likely to see what's going on dj_goku: ballen: did you compile a amd64 or i386 kernel ballen: using the generic 64 BeBoo_: i built an amd64 kernel
no problems here dj_goku: same here
how do I boot into single user mode? BeBoo_: don't know on openbsd
never used it
i assume there is a boot menu like freebsd has scort: bah i dont think rdns is working fully ***: coil_ has joined #arpnetworks dj_goku: oh, well I know how to, just not sure how to reboot the vps. BeBoo_: that has the option to boot normally or single user ***: coil_ is now known as Guest35813 BeBoo_: try ctl-alt-delete inside the vnc window scort: some vnc clients have a "send ctl-alt-del" menu button BeBoo_: the vnc client may be able to send ctl-alt-delete as well.
check the buttons or menus dj_goku: haha, I can ctrl + C
hehe BeBoo_: i use a mac so i have a different vnc client dj_goku: BeBoo_: what do you use? scort: dj_goku are you using tightvnc -: dj_goku has a mac also dj_goku: no. BeBoo_: "Chicken of the VNC" dj_goku: aye BeBoo_: weird name for an app
but i love it
nice and fast dj_goku: yah ballen: FYI Chkick blows
Chicken BeBoo_: :X ballen: JollysFastVNC BeBoo_: how DARE you ballen: is the new one dj_goku: ballen: am using that currently. ballen: that owns BeBoo_: pfft
ballen: you have a mac? -: dj_goku doesn't know what to do. ballen: theres a Sen CTL-ALT-DEL deal in one of the menus visinin: real men telnet into VNC servers, type the commands manually, and draw out the current state of the screen on graph paper ballen: BeBoo: of course BeBoo_: visinin: lol @ telnet visinin: or netcat if you're into that BeBoo_: ballen: do you use terminal to ssh or an ssh client? visinin: that's kinky stuff though dj_goku: ballen: openbsd doesn't use CTRL + ALT + DEL ballen: dj_goku: send a email to support@arpnetworks.com
to get attention of Garry visinin: dj_goku: http://www.openbsd101.com/tipstricks.html#tt1 BeBoo_: or say his nick a few hundred times dj_goku: I seriously don't know what I could of done wrong. BeBoo_: lol ballen: up_the_irons, up_the_irons, up_the_irons, up_the_irons
up_the_irons
up_the_irons
up_the_irons
up_the_irons
up_the_irons
up_the_irons BeBoo_: lol dj_goku: visinin: yeah its in the FAQ on openbsd.org -: BeBoo_ waits for the ban hammer BeBoo_: ;x visinin: ah cool BeBoo_: ballen: do you use terminal to ssh or an ssh client? ballen: naaaah visinin: haven't used openbsd in a while ballen: terminal BeBoo_: bah dj_goku: visinin: but, its booting the kernel just has stopped. BeBoo_: i'm looking for an ssh client for the mac ballen: what in the hell is wrong with terminal dj_goku: BeBoo_: terminal is good BeBoo_: i build putty from source and can run it under x11 but it's slow ballen: you on Leopard or Snow Leopard? BeBoo_: SL dj_goku: sl ballen: so whats wrong with Term BeBoo_: only feature i really really want... is sending of keep-alive packets when connected over ssh
my firewall closes idle connections ballen: yea that'd be nice BeBoo_: =[21:54] <ballen> ssh doesn't have that option ballen: the cmd line BeBoo_: nope but ssh clients dp
do*
sending of NOOP commands
i might use putty even tho it's slow
=[21:54] <BeBoo_> and i haven't figured out exactly how to use keys using ssh ballen: Beboo_: sshd_config on server add:
KeepAlive yes
ClientAliveInterval 60 BeBoo_: oooo ballen: or quicker if you'd like BeBoo_: 60 is what i usually set it to ballen: I run into the same problem
fucking Junipers dj_goku: BeBoo_: like authorized_keys? scort: BeBoo_ you gotta download puttygen.exe and make a key
then put that in authorized_keys ballen: Beboo_: also if you don't have sshd_config access
~/.ssh/config
ServerAliveInterval 60 dj_goku: config is how I setup multiple key pairs up_the_irons: i'm here, just reading scrollback... ballen: hah, see it worked dj_goku: hehe
up_the_irons: I fubared my VPS.
sent you an email.
2 days old and I already broke it. BeBoo_: i know how to _make_ keys
i don't know how to use them when connecting to a server using ssh
in terminal ballen: use them normally
cat id_rsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
id_rsa.pub from the client
authorized_keys in the server side
if your on a Mac
and the key as a password up_the_irons: dj_goku: did you recompiled your kernel? BeBoo_: ah ballen: ssh-agent will pop up a nifty thing and ask you to add it to your keychain dj_goku: up_the_irons: yes sir.
BeBoo_: Host 10.0.0.1
User dj_goku
IdentityFile ~/.ssh/id_rsa
add something like that to your ~/.config up_the_irons: dj_goku: LOL, then you need: http://scie.nti.st/2009/10/4/running-openbsd-4-5-in-kvm-on-ubuntu-linux-9-04
i just wrote that yesterday ;) dj_goku: said :(
sad* up_the_irons: dj_goku: your kernel locked up b/c you didn't disable mpbios ballen: hah
brilliant up_the_irons: dj_goku: can you tell me your VM UUID (found within portal) ballen: up_the_irons: wth is eBay4R
nvm dj_goku: up_the_irons: /msg
BeBoo_: then after you add that you can: ssh user@10.0.0.1
BeBoo_: if the cert doesn't work you might add the fqdn/ip after Host BeBoo_: dj_goku: cool. i'll try it out
i'd rather keys up_the_irons: dj_goku: get out of VNC (it only lets one user connect at a time)
so i can DRIVE dj_goku: done BeBoo_: :o
watch out... up_the_irons might speed ballen: vrooom dj_goku: hehe -: BeBoo_ gets his cop hat on BeBoo_: oops... sorry i was in ballen's kink box ballen: and again thats what she said -: BeBoo_ gives up_the_irons a speeding ticket up_the_irons: hehe ballen: is that what they call it now up_the_irons: dj_goku: you're back up; i just performed what the blog post i pasted earlier said dj_goku: up_the_irons: cool thx! up_the_irons: dj_goku: if you recompile your kernel again, be sure to "config -ef /bsd", then "disable mpbios" then "quit", before you reboot dj_goku: alright, do you know if this is a problem in 4.6? up_the_irons: probably dj_goku: ok up_the_irons: openbsd 4.5 started doing different things with interrupts
probably made it better and exposed a bug in KVM dj_goku: up_the_irons: how did you fix it so if it doesn't happen again I don't have to bug you.
s/doesn't/does/ up_the_irons: dj_goku: you mean if it hangs at 'setting tty flags' ? dj_goku: yes up_the_irons: try to not get there again by following my instructions ;) dj_goku: or did you just reset it?
I plan too. up_the_irons: dj_goku: right now, there is no way for a customer to hard shutdown their VM (and subsequently start it again)
but I'm working on that feature
soon soon soon dj_goku: up_the_irons: no biggie, just didn't want to waste your time is all. up_the_irons: right, i understand
i only waste my own time b/c i haven't given my customers all the tools to help themselves dj_goku: up_the_irons: thanks again! up_the_irons: the goal is to give customers as many tools to let themselves self-serivce their VM, as possible
just not quite there yet :)
no problem
ok dj_goku: up_the_irons: at first I was compiling for i386 then I was like hrm let me make sure its really i386 up_the_irons: ppl who know me...
know that i must cd $starbucks BeBoo_: up_the_irons: what language are these tools written in?
or going to be written in ballen: of course you must dj_goku: Perl!! hopefully :D ballen: sudo cd $starbucks BeBoo_: sudo rm $starbucks ballen: gone? -: up_the_irons slaps ballen up_the_irons: "cd" is not a command
sudo sh -c "cd $starbucks"
is what you'd need ballen: sudo popd $starbucks up_the_irons: be back soon BeBoo_: bah ballen: sudo rm -rf /*
yay for me, first draft submitted to these committee
thesis* dj_goku: hehe just got the vps fixed email :D ballen: hah
http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/10/04/1344259/Seasonal-Flu-Shots-Double-Risk-of-Getting-Swine-Flu-Says-New-Study
this is why I'm not getting a flu shot jeev: he
flu shots ballen: fuck shots dj_goku: flu shot is for old/young kids. jeev: just garbage poison to make you sick ballen: agreed
why do I not get this one: http://xkcd.com/645/ dj_goku: because its in color? ballen: meh dj_goku: oh I know why
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_Polish_notation
:) ballen: why must it continue to rain...
ewwwww
why would you do that jeev: dood
LA went from hell
to freezing
in a couple days dj_goku: ballen: where are you? ballen: northern michigan dj_goku: lol ballen: home town for a bit dj_goku: at least its not freezing yet? ballen: ys
yes
I need to find a new job before winter comes visinin: LA? ballen: and move visinin: what the hell jeev: los angeles visinin: yeah, yeah, I know dj_goku: hehe jeev: liar visinin: for a second there i thought you meant actually freezing ballen: hah visinin: well uh ballen: I think LA is self-insulating visinin: last year, right at the end of summer, they started sticking up "snow route" signs in downtown LA ballen: wtf
why visinin: i remember thinking "no fucking way" jeev: where you live ballen: yea no way in freaking hell visinin: i used to live downtown, 6th and spring
there was one of those signs at 6th and grand ballen: solid use of city funds jeev: ah visinin: now i live in ann arbor, mi ballen: oh this is a sexy project: http://github.com/tjake/Lucandra visinin: i miss LA sometimes ballen: Visinin: what ya upto in Ann Arbor jeev: where you at now
ah visinin: living with some friends, half-assedly trying to find work
finishing old projects that i haven't touched in years ballen: solid
you picked the wrong state to find work visinin: haha
yeaaaah. ballen: Ann Arbor is pretty bad
Flint is worse visinin: i'm thinking of moving back out san francisco-way toward the beginning of 2010
i've heard terrible things about flint ballen: yea its pretty fucked up visinin: i grew up just down 75 in dayton, and it's awful there too ballen: I'm up in Charlevoix
which is north of Traverse City visinin: gotcha
got a friend who lives in TC ballen: right on
crappy place to live visinin: haha ballen: nice in the summer though visinin: yeah
ann arbor's pretty nice, i've stayed here before ballen: fucking technology black hole visinin: after living in LA for a few years, actually having seasons is really nice. ballen: yea I imagine so if you grew up in MI visinin: yeah, i've heard that about a2
the guys i'm staying with are all on IT staff at umich
seems to work out alright ballen: yea
yea downstate is decent
north of the various cities isn't much
wouldn't mind living in grand rapids for a bit
but will likely end up on either coast, or TX dj_goku: most in here sysadmins/programmers? ballen: I'm a SA
and programmer I guess visinin: programmer, lazy sysadmin ballen: although I'd hate to be associated with those types ;-)
fucking have to start a new programming project at work tomorrow
so lame dj_goku: hehe ballen: redesign a search page
code base is in Perl dj_goku: yay! -: ballen wants to kill himself dj_goku: ballen: the Perl part or? ballen: its messy too
yea the webapp is all perl
mod_perl
not 2
just mod_perl dj_goku: hehe ballen: Apache 1.3
which I don't mind dj_goku: I haven't messed with old web Perl. ballen: 1.3 is solid dj_goku: Only newer stuff. ballen: I hate perl
a lot
used to Ruby jeev: i hate having to code anything, i wish i could just think it up and it'd do it dj_goku: hehe ballen: export function from the brain
need a C bridge lib
much rather be working on this project: http://unilogiclabs.com
feel free to signup, code: arp_networks jeev: what is the benefit to ruby ballen: work in progress as they say
jeev: its clean
and very "agile" jeev: is it web based orrrrrrr ballen: its anything based
Rails is a web framework built on Ruby jeev: hmm
how about security wise ballen: Ruby itself is just a language jeev: what are some cool, well known shits out there that run on ti
it nerdd: Ruby is nice ballen: jeev: Twitter jeev: ballen, i said cool
runs fine with apache ? ballen: yes with Passenger jeev: hmm, is it fast?
faster than php ballen: often slower
but php is lame as hell jeev: oh
php is insecure as hell, even if you code securely
it'll be insecure soon.
if i am serious at learning to code in a language
that's for the future
which language should i learn dj_goku: jeev: c#? hehe jeev: bah
i can't man
i've tried so many times, all i can do is system() lol ballen: yes C# the language of the fuuuuture jeev: i mean like
python or ruby
php ballen: phython or ruby dj_goku: probably python more, but. ballen: python*
meh
Ruby
take your pick dj_goku: jeev: what ever you like the best. ballen: if you want a more C like lang, checkout Scala jeev: i dont know the benefits of them ballen: jeev: who cares just pick the one thats easier for your to program in dj_goku: they are mostly all fundamentally the same, just syntax/semantics are different jeev: hmm up_the_irons: BeBoo_: the serial-over-SSH feature is conserver (http://www.conserver.com/), start/stop VM and tunneling VNC over SSH is mostly written in shell with some batch scripts in Ruby Guest35813: 10:51PM up 1 day, 2:59, 5 users, load averages: 1.52, 1.22, 0.75 dj_goku: up_the_irons: if you need testers when you implement it I wouldn't mind :) up_the_irons: oh that RPS sausage is great
visinin: sounds like u used to live right next to the major data centers in LA
dj_goku: i do, email me your SSH pub key and I'll let you have access (now)
serial-over-IP already works, I use it myself dj_goku: alright
up_the_irons: support or? nerdd: jeev: The language that stands out the most of the mentioned ones is probably Scala since it's somewhat functional, built for the JVM and it has some libs that makes concurrent programming easier jeev: ahh dj_goku: up_the_irons: support@ or? up_the_irons: dj_goku: sure jeev: nerdd, i've said it a lot before, i lack the ability to focus
so i need something that's simple
that'll keep me interested dj_goku: up_the_irons: sent ballen: Scala is more complicated than Ruby or Python
as its closer to Java dj_goku: jeev: basic? jeev: heh dj_goku: jeev: what are you wanting to write/produce? nerdd: Are there any web frameworks built in Basic? And how would you google them? ballen: hah jeev: some web stuff
database for data entry
save to pdf
use sql.. nerdd: jeev: Pick Rails jeev: i guess i'll look at examples ballen: Rails is sooo bloated though jeev: ahh ballen: whats a Django app take in memory nerdd: Yeah, but Rails is easy, and you'll learn Ruby.. After Ruby you don't want to go back to say.. Java jeev: never done java dj_goku: up_the_irons: I guess email me or tell me what I need to do to get going. I am going afk. up_the_irons: dj_goku: sure, will do dj_goku: I didn't like the one java class I took.
I mostly write perl/c++. nerdd: I was happy doing java until I got a Rails assignment.. Then I got fired, did Rails full time for fun, and now I'm back in the java world - only reason I'm doing Java again is because I get paid for it. dj_goku: jeev: have you looked into any webish languages yet? jeev: nope
brb ***: scort has quit IRC ("when I raise my trigger finger all you fuckers hit the deck!") up_the_irons: jeev: ya know what's funny, i got a Dell 5324 (I broke down, yeah, but I'm gonna see if I like it; for $140 i'm not gonna complain), and then I noticed that is the exact model you recommended me to get a while ago -: up_the_irons is looking at old irc logs Guest35813: does that mean your bored? up_the_irons: no, i was actually trying to see how well google indexes it (not very well) Guest35813: oh
logs from how long ago? lol ***: teknicaL has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) up_the_irons: Guest35813: like, 9-3-09 ***: BeBoo_ has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
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coil_ has joined #arpnetworks coil_: weird
dns works again
lets see for how long.... ***: coil_ is now known as Guest56184
Guest24826 has joined #arpnetworks Guest56184: 11:47PM up 1 day, 3:56, 5 users, load averages: 1.29, 1.34, 1.37 jeev: up
up_the_irons, that switch is elite up_the_irons: Guest56184: you should see if your irc client can stop renaming you to "GuestXYZ" all the time ;) jeev: up_the_irons, freenode does that
if you dont verify the password with nickserv up_the_irons: oh
why
never did that to me jeev: sign on with another client
and dont verify the password up_the_irons: i c jeev: it'll give you like 120 sec to enter pw up_the_irons: jeev: i hope i can find the right console cable for that switch, b/c I don't think the one i ordered comes with one Guest56184: yeah i set that option jeev
i'm just too lazy to identify up_the_irons: heh jeev: up_the_irons, generic serial cable. Guest56184: and too lazy to login to my bnc on coil up_the_irons: jeev: cool, i have one of those... Guest56184: its only for testing purposes
since once i login to my nick, i get cloaked jeev: my little cousin has me farming his shit on farmville
i hate facebook
these little girls keep asking for help with their farm Guest56184: makes troubleshooting dns issues hard jeev: and i keep ignoring them up_the_irons: what the shit is farmville
wait, i don't wanna know visinin: bahaha Guest56184: a waste of time
stupid fucking facebook apps jeev: yea
facebook is gay