drives are power hogs
so the 2nd CPU, rated at 80W, didn't hit the radar
I was *very* suprised by that actually
it makes the decision of 1 CPU or 2 a non issue
yea it is interesting
besides just the cost of the sucker
nevertheless, I just pulled the trigger on ordering another box
this time, I'm getting the L5430's
same as E5430 but low voltage
50W TDP
nehalems?
no, one generation earlier
the 5400's, not 5500's
nehalems are still too expensive
ah
nehalems are damned fast though
have two 5520's in a box at work
compared against another box that has a 5420 in its noticable
For VMs, I don't think the CPU is the main bottleneck.  I could get the extra speed, but I'd still max out at disk I/O
ballen: what is the box doing though?
5520 box is running ESXi
5420 is a web server
F' it, maybe my *next* box I'll try the 5500's
ESXi is a hungry mother though
oh and its loves those CPUs
hahaha
I have... 10 vms running now
or so
going to run out of disk space before anything
ballen: let me know when you get to 30 ;)
doesn't touch the CPUs
yea I don't have the disk space
at least with my current provisioning
I do have like 22 gigs of ram free too
dbgi: i'm not gonna set your rdns up w/ RFC 2317, like the FAQ says, I want to try the "regular" class C style; meaning, you don't have to change much on your side
ballen: you must give 'em a lot of disk
yea using local SAS drives
in RAID 5
only had 1.4T
my devs do bio work, so they VMs need a retarded amount of space
up_the_irons ok cool thanks man
best $7k we spent though
dropped 5 servers so far in my env
and put them on this box
ballen: nice
if you ever need to p2v a FreeBSD, let me know ;-)
FreeBSD box*
up_the_irons im learning this while im doing it, so easier is better, i appreciate it
ugh... classless reverse dns deligation...
though im not sure what you mean by class c style
ballen: p2v?:)
physical to virtual
moving a metal install to a vm
ah gotcha
i've done plenty of those, not w/ freebsd though
dump and restore work surprisingly well for it
just boot with a FreeBSD 8 "live" cd
and put into the cd fixit env
s/put/boot
ftp over the dump file
partition, etc
restore
make sure fstab works for the new env
make sure rc.conf is fixed for the new env
good to go
also if you have a custom kernel... install the generic one before doing the dump
dbgi: what are the IP(s) / hostnames of your DNS servers?
ballen: yeah, sounds similar to how i p2v'd linux boxes
damnit to freaking hell Ferret doesn't compile on OS X
206.125.172.78 up_the_irons
dbgi: ok
my friend coil in here is helping me, hes knows freebsd really well and admin sum servers, and had done dns, just never from a vps with ips owned by a company like this
so its kinda a learning experiance for us both
non RFC 2317 sub-class C delegation is new to me too ;)
but recently i've read -- http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/avoid-rfc-2317-delegation-example-1.html#SuperdomainBIND
dbgi: is your bind running now?
up_the_irons yes its running now
ok
omg, thats so much better
rfc-2317 is hell
rfc 2317 is easy, be a man
;)
hah
i've set it up for countless of people and it wasn't that hard..
i actually having trouble getting his example working
its just urgly
ugly*
dbgi: can i log into your VM and look at your dns setup?
yes sure
ok
dbgi: hah, you did an RFC 2317 "style" setup ;)
64/28.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa
wrong zone name
my friend coil did it
hes been helping cause i dont know much about it
whats wrong with it up_the_irons? can u fix it by any chance?
dbgi: workin on it
thank you so much
why are there so many search engines written in java...
dbgi: resolver was only listening on localhost; fixing...
whats wrong with java?
oh ok
it means I need to install JVM... and thats not happening on FreeBSD
ballen: why are the Hive guys trying to abstract the integer?  which is already an object in Java.  and Object of an Object
i don't get why there is that 'a.ns.*' glue record in the bind example
why don't i straight "NS" it to the downstream
coil
thats fine to me
there coil is
scoil
hi
[03:56] <@up_the_irons> i don't get why there is that 'a.ns.*' glue record in the bind example
[03:56] <@up_the_irons> why don't i straight "NS" it to the downstream
yea idk either
i know very little about bind, coil knows it pretty well
i wouldn't say i know it pretty well
o ok'
better then me then
scoil: dbgi: i think i have it almost working
you know, no other place could u get help like this from the people who work and run the company
sweet up_the_irons, thats awesome
yeah never seen this before
we both appreciate it very much
hehe, no problem
seriously though, its awesome
I aim to please
just what are you doing
so i'll know
scoil: i'll let u know once i'm done
dig: couldn't get address for 'a.ns.71.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa': not found
ugh
i am hating bind right now...
sorry man
up_the_irons: should use djbdns ;-)
ballen: i've been meaning to switch for a long time, just too many projects...
dbgi: not your fault; i'm trying a different delegation scheme here, that should be easier for customers in the future, so it is worth the time spent
ballen: well, getting away from bind would be nice.  i want to switch resolution to "unbound" and delegation to "nsd"
kk
if i dall asleep im really sorry
ill read up in here if i do
up_the_irons: ever hear of http://xapian.org/
another search engine
with a ruby lib here: http://github.com/ryanb/xapit
ballen: sounds familiar
dbgi: no problem, don't wait up ;)
you sure?
ill read up in here when i get up ok
my eyes are all blurry
and really, thanks you soooooooooooooooooo much for the help, i really appreciate it
up_the_irons: it powers gmane.org's search
dbgi: no problem, get some rest :)
ballen: ah, nice
thanks, gnight all
l8r
alright.. for the record, i can't get that dude's instructions to work;  switching back to regular RFC 2317, which has never been a problem in the past
mmk
also for the record... I'm fairly sure there's no way to do fuzzy logic search with a key/value db that doesn't involve load the entire contents of a set into memory first
the only workable model I could come up with is storing permutations of the data and do normal include? on the set
dbgi: i *think* your rdns is working; i dunno why I had so much trouble with this one after I put it back to RFC 2317...  maybe things are cached somewhere, you had a long TTL.  I'm just gonna leave it alone for now; see the changes I did to /etc/namedb
Moanin
elo
morn'
Hey up_the_irons
Can I run dns for ipv6 on an ipv4-only host?
yeah but why would you want to?
I'd like to run reverses etc for my stuff, but our primary dns boxes are ipv4
Either that, or I need to add another IP to this box to satisfy the two dns requirement
you can do it, there's no technical reason you can't
Alright, thanks
np
Have you got sample reverse zone files up anywhere (for v6)?
http://www.isi.edu/~bmanning/v6DNS.html#named.conf
Yeah, but I thought ip6.int was deprecated over ip6.arpa?
i use ip6.arpa
And we are assigned /64s?  Or /48s?
 /48
Okay, got a few too many 0's in my config
Well howbout that crap...  use the right prefix length in the reverse zone and it actually starts responding :)
Much as I like Sinatra's minimalism, it doesn't give you anything. If I built my own Tender I'd use Rails and Searchlogic. Maybe throw some freetext search engine at it if I discovered a perf problem.
And if I wanted to host my own blog I'd just use Wordpress.
But that's me; I'm lazy.
if anyone is interested in KVM and OpenBSD: http://scie.nti.st/2009/10/4/running-openbsd-4-5-in-kvm-on-ubuntu-linux-9-04
hot of the presses
*off
cool
cd $bed
g'night
O.o
11:46 Host 66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa not found: 2(SERVFAIL)a
that's from my isp's dns
but i see it works from the vps
up_the_irons: .... did you sleep last night?
up_the_irons doesn't sleep; he waits.
scoil: did you try resolving that reverse pointing your client at arp's DNS server
would be a good troubleshooting step
no i havent
myfet.us
?
heh
yea
jeev: wierd
what
scoil, check how much longer it's cached for
3600
yea it doesn't work on my arp box either
scoil what is the IP of you VPS
your*
ballen, probably 206.125.172.66
;)
jeev: just checking
well thats one of them
the ns is 206.125.172.78
Using domain server:
Name: 206.125.172.78
Address: 206.125.172.78#53
Aliases:
Host 66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa not found: 5(REFUSED)
oh
so I be able to query it scoil?
directly
should*
nslookup 206.125.172.66
;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 208.79.88.7, trying next server
;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 208.79.88.7, trying next server
** server can't find 66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa: SERVFAIL
> server 206.125.172.78
Default server: 206.125.172.78
Address: 206.125.172.78#53
> 206.125.172.78
Server:		206.125.172.78
Address:	206.125.172.78#53
** server can't find 78.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa: REFUSED
66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa is an alias for 66.64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa.
66.64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer myfet.us.
so what does this mean
refused
means your BIND server refuses to serve it
could be a few things
make sure theres no ACL's etc
can you query other domains on it remotely
Using domain server:
Name: 206.125.172.78
Address: 206.125.172.78#53
Aliases:
Host google.com.cfl.rr.com not found: 5(REFUSED)
scoil, it still says 3600 ?
lol wtf google.com.cfl.rr.com
i asked for google.com not google.com.cfl.rr.com
heh
scoil: your local dns prefix
jeev: iidk how do i check
query for google.com.
note the ending .
Using domain server:
Name: 206.125.172.78
Address: 206.125.172.78#53
Aliases:
Host google.com not found: 5(REFUSED)
Sounds like recursion is disabled
yea basically BIND won't do recursive lookups for you
which is good
for this type of server
whats the zone entry for the reverse zone
zone "64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "/etc/namedb/206.125.172.64-79.rev"; };
reload named and check the log file any errors
rndc: neither /etc/namedb/rndc.conf nor /etc/namedb/rndc.key was found
using freebsd?
 /etc/rc.d/named restart
yeah fbsd
no errors
on the local machine can you query for the IP?
using its self for the dns yes
not arp's dns
but it resolves?
then it sounds like its not the zone file, but an issue with how named is serving the zone
but its working?
well your local dns resvolves locally... so the zone file locally works fine
well i'm just confused with what freenode is doing
by chance could you paste your named.conf into a pastie
how come freenode was able to resolve it
yeah let me load up pastebin
hmm
that is interesting
mephisto looks good
yea its decent, has had a history of long terms of inactivity though
ahh
http://pastebin.com/m3a370f22
theres also Feather that uses Merb
ballen, the one you told me.. requires a server and stuff man
i dont want to get into things where i need to make sure another db is running in the background
it's too much
scoil: 68.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa. 3537 IN	CNAME	68.64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa.
so the CNAME is showing up
nvm, thats just upsteam
i.e. Arp's NS server
which is a good thing, but doesn't help
grrrrrrrrrr
i want to set up my blog
what do i do
i already got the tagline for it
ahmadinejad.org, calm down -- it's just a domain name.
lol
wonder if up_the_irons has tried VIA from starbucks
if it's anything like the chipset, it'll fail
i tried it
scoil: add allow-query { any; }; to options section at the top of named.conf and restart named
also for good measure use /etc/rc.d/named forcerestart
ok
named not running? (check /var/run/named/pid).
wrote key file "/var/named/etc/namedb/rndc.key"
Starting named.
hey it resolves
oh only on freenode
god named is gay
;D
it doesn't appear to, to me
jeev: it really is
works for me from other servers
what really is
named
ahh yea
coil: well with that option in there you should also have: recursion no;
and allow-query-cache { none; };
ok
so people can't use your named server to lookup anytihng but your domains
eh
you could enable that
i use djbdns :)
coil: alright thats all I got so far. I need some breakfast and coffee
tinydns foR LiFe
jeev: you would
ok
i enabled those
or added the options
eh
coil: is this a /28
yes
starting at .64?
yea
change your zone entry to: zone "64-28.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa" {
and make sure you zone file matches
do i have to change the serial
meh
not for now
so 206.125.172.64-79.rev would be 206.125.172.28-64.rev?
you don't need to change the filename
this probably is equivalent to what was there, but worth a shot
ohhh
note: its zone "64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa"
err
64-28
i.e. 64/28
yeah got you
k, I'll be back in a bit
http://www.simpledns.com/lookup-dg.aspx
go there
trace it
let me know if it works
i used to have the way to do it from command line
i forgot
jeev: yea deligation is working correctly in this case
-> Authority: NS-record for 64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa = 206.125.172.78
it shouldn't continued to trace to his server
what about ipv6, do i have to do the same setps with it
get it delegated first?
Go fuck yourselves
lol
scoil: coil Guest24065 ballen: I wouldn't change the zone name, it must match what I have in mine: http://pastie.org/private/k4jlwvgr6gxp32tv5s5sg
IPv6 is also delegated (just did that now)
IPv6 is way easier
0.0.2.4   IN  NS  206.125.172.78.
yea like I told him they're pretty much equivalent
that's all there is to it
his server is refusing a query
directly to it
mm.. indeed
although i thought i saw that working last night
(it was refusing)
dig @206.125.172.78 66.64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa.
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 23321
out of zone, or named not allowing queries
yeah
ok so change it back?
change the zone?
64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa
the zone name *must* match what I have in my DNS: 64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa
gtg, bbl
up
damnit
did you try VIA from starbucks
like it
?
ok i changed it
and i'm getting refused to myself now
Host 66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa not found: 5(REFUSED)
that's from the vps
paste
config to pastebin
http://pastebin.com/m55602bd9
the .rev file contents
http://pastebin.com/m187967b1
ive never seen reverse delegated with cname
it's something he wanted to try
jeev: thats std regarding the RFC
never seen it
oh
apparently the .rev file had a syntax error in it
why didn't i notice that
hmm
wtf
coil, it'll take some time for the cache to expire probably
dns isn't instant
yeah i'm using the round robbin
so i guess i'm just getting the same server over and over
well if you're using round robin
you likely have it in YOUR cache
clear your cache and try the roundrobin again
or try kubrick.freenode.net or anthony.freenode.net
they're LA and OC
idk how to clear it in fbsd
just try to /server kubrick.freenode.net, i dont either.. i use my own dnscache from djbdns
and clear it by taking it down and up
:D
well i'm satified
what server worked
well i tried a different host
i'm on brown
coil
Guest98745
sup dbgi
is it going well?
yes
it works
working on ipv6 now
SWEET
sweet
go a head and think of some hosts
ok
http://freedns.afraid.org/domain/registry/
search in there and come up with some sub domains
ok
servfail.
its suppost to
unless it broke
whats an ip to dig
or host.
i wont have any cached, we'll fin dout
206.125.172.66 is the only one with an entry
it should be myfet.us
17:15:57 Host 66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa not found: 2(SERVFAIL)
obsidieth idk
it was working
and named is still running
i think you've destroyed every single cache on earth
see it's working
time to look to the stars
its working
obsidieth:
holy hell it works
what'd you do to fix it
#
64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa. IN      SOA     206.125.172.78.
#
coil.scoil.info. (
that needed to be on the same line
and it fixed it
ah
ballen, im waiting for youto try to cinvince me to use that blogging software
meh
idk
use whatever you want
i'm looking for encouraging words
lets try ipv6
hmm
[o@venom:~] host coil.scoil.info
Host coil.scoil.info not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[o@venom:~] host 206.125.172.78
Host 78.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa not found: 2(SERVFAIL)
well coil.scoil isn't a host
coil.scoil.info doesn't resolve
that's my email
.66 ets a servfail
ur a serv fail
dig -x @206.125.172.78 206.125.172.78
; <<>> DiG 9.6.0-APPLE-P2 <<>> -x @206.125.172.78 206.125.172.78
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 58332
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;78.172.125.\@206.in-addr.arpa.	IN	PTR
?
if i was to install pf, would there be anything special i need for the vps
like i know i have to recompile the kernel, but i dont have to enable any specia devices or anything, right?
nah
fyi, allow ICMP from up_the_irons monitoring server
ballen: you can't dig with "-x" directly on his resolver b/c he doesn't have the entire class C.  this is what works:
no idea what that IP is though
dig @206.125.172.78 66.64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa ptr
up_the_irons: ah
scort: ballen: allow icmp for 208.79.88.56
dns isn't working on about half the irc servers i've tried
scort: keep the serial port in the kernel if you want out-of-band w/o VNC
it works on freenode fine
ok
scort: Guest90705: i think you guys destroyed every cache on earth, like jeev said ;)
lol
you should reduce the TTL to 5 minutes
ok
until you have everything worked out
so thats...
$calc(5*60)
er
300
300, yes
jeev: and no, i haven't tried VIA yet; i'm against individually plastic wrapped products (produces a crap ton of waste)
isn't VIA instant coffe?
yup
ew
I'll stick to my espresso
if i make my own coffee, it is french pressed
there is nothing better than pressed coffee, compared to drip
you waste nothing (no filter), and it is 10x stronger
yea I do up the french press as well
but have been making primarly espresso
for the last month or so
cool
lets see if ipv6 works
waiting till I get a new job before I drop 1k+ on a new espresso machine and grinder
blah
woot proof reading done... not to ensure LaTex didn't muck my figures up
oh ballen
you try VIA from starbucks ?
up_the_irons, servers come in plastic
closest starbucks is like 30 minutes away
I make my own coffee
oh
not a fan of instant coffee
yea i guess
i like all kind as long as i can make it sweet
thats what she said
heh
nasty shit
Drinking: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/287/38146
quite strong
coffee is nasty
BeBoo_: blasphemy
ballen: tea ftw kthx
tea is good
speaking of which...
did anyone see Year One ?
i should make some
but coffee... isss better
coffee causes kidney stones
you have fun with that
lol
since when?
caffeine
However, in a latest survey maintain that kidney function is influenced by too much coffee or caffeine intake. It could lead to some problems for example diuresis, detrusor instability and kidney stones.
Caffeine intake has to be controlled or it can cause the painful medical situation of kidney stones. In a current examination, participants with a history of kidney stones were provided a dosage of caffeine equal to that found in two cups of coffee.
well I'm boned
Hi.
HI.
I think I broke my vps :(
how did you break it?
I rebooted it, but it hasn't came back up.
dj_goku: connect to the vnc console
It is recommended that people prone to kidney stones ought to control their intake of coffee to less than two cups or 16 ounces per day. Caffeine is discovered in other beverages such as soda which have to be limited to amount alike as well.
BeBoo_: Sorry, I read about the vnc console. But have not idea how to connect.
dj_goku: http://www.tightvnc.com/
download and install
enter the ip, port and password given to you
you should see your console
how does that work
how does what work?
the vnc console
even if you, say..take your network interface down
still confused on the question.
yes?
scort: it's provided by the hypervisor
the vnc console is running on the host
not in the vps itself
exactly
ahh ok
you can reboot and see the qemu bios post
i thought that was funny
tbh
that console access is a godsend... i failed to enable a flag on my filesystems after a kernel rebuild and it went into single-user
lol
haha
yeah it's  very cool
i'm a linux dork... i used to use freebsd all the time but no one ever offered freebsd vpses... i never saw arp until recently
well, actually teknicaL found them
I can't vnc to the IP of my vps.
its not your vps' IP
you were given an ip, port and password at signup. not sure if it's in the email but it's definately in your portal
it's a different IP
i assume it's the host's IP
crap
weird.
?
portal.arpnetworks.com
login
locked up at boot
its shown there
well past post.
hmm
anyone have a openbsd vps in here?
ctrl-alt-delete?
nah fbsd here
its at setting tty flags
up_the_irons: your presence is required
dj_goku: you'll need to boot into single user most likely to see what's going on
ballen: did you compile a amd64 or i386 kernel
using the generic 64
i built an amd64 kernel
no problems here
same here
how do I boot into single user mode?
don't know on openbsd
never used it
i assume there is a boot menu like freebsd has
bah i dont think rdns is working fully
oh, well I know how to, just not sure how to reboot the vps.
that has the option to boot normally or single user
try ctl-alt-delete inside the vnc window
some vnc clients have a "send ctl-alt-del" menu button
the vnc client may be able to send ctl-alt-delete as well.
check the buttons or menus
haha, I can ctrl + C
hehe
i use a mac so i have a different vnc client
BeBoo_: what do you use?
dj_goku are you using tightvnc
no.
"Chicken of the VNC"
aye
weird name for an app
but i love it
nice and fast
yah
FYI Chkick blows
Chicken
:X
JollysFastVNC
how DARE you
is the new one
ballen: am using that currently.
that owns
pfft
ballen: you have a mac?
theres a Sen CTL-ALT-DEL deal in one of the menus
real men telnet into VNC servers, type the commands manually, and draw out the current state of the screen on graph paper
BeBoo: of course
visinin: lol @ telnet
or netcat if you're into that
ballen: do you use terminal to ssh or an ssh client?
that's kinky stuff though
ballen: openbsd doesn't use CTRL + ALT + DEL
dj_goku: send a email to support@arpnetworks.com
to get attention of Garry
dj_goku: http://www.openbsd101.com/tipstricks.html#tt1
or say his nick a few hundred times
I seriously don't know what I could of done wrong.
lol
up_the_irons, up_the_irons, up_the_irons, up_the_irons
up_the_irons
up_the_irons
up_the_irons
up_the_irons
up_the_irons
up_the_irons
lol
visinin: yeah its in the FAQ on openbsd.org
;x
ah cool
ballen: do you use terminal to ssh or an ssh client?
naaaah
haven't used openbsd in a while
terminal
bah
visinin: but, its booting the kernel just has stopped.
i'm looking for an ssh client for the mac
what in the hell is wrong with terminal
BeBoo_: terminal is good
i build putty from source and can run it under x11 but it's slow
you on Leopard or Snow Leopard?
SL
sl
so whats wrong with Term
only feature i really really want... is sending of keep-alive packets when connected over ssh
my firewall closes idle connections
yea that'd be nice
=\
ssh doesn't have that option
the cmd line
nope but ssh clients dp
do*
sending of NOOP commands
i might use putty even tho it's slow
=\
and i haven't figured out exactly how to use keys using ssh
Beboo_: sshd_config on server add:
KeepAlive yes
ClientAliveInterval 60
oooo
or quicker if you'd like
60 is what i usually set it to
I run into the same problem
fucking Junipers
BeBoo_: like authorized_keys?
BeBoo_ you gotta download puttygen.exe and make a key
then put that in authorized_keys
Beboo_: also if you don't have sshd_config access
~/.ssh/config
ServerAliveInterval 60
config is how I setup multiple key pairs
i'm here, just reading scrollback...
hah, see it worked
hehe
up_the_irons: I fubared my VPS.
sent you an email.
2 days old and I already broke it.
i know how to _make_ keys
i don't know how to use them when connecting to a server using ssh
in terminal
use them normally
cat id_rsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
id_rsa.pub from the client
authorized_keys in the server side
if your on a Mac
and the key as a password
dj_goku: did you recompiled your kernel?
ah
ssh-agent will pop up a nifty thing and ask you to add it to your keychain
up_the_irons: yes sir.
BeBoo_: Host 10.0.0.1
User dj_goku
IdentityFile ~/.ssh/id_rsa
add something like that to your ~/.config
dj_goku: LOL, then you need: http://scie.nti.st/2009/10/4/running-openbsd-4-5-in-kvm-on-ubuntu-linux-9-04
i just wrote that yesterday ;)
said :(
sad*
dj_goku: your kernel locked up b/c you didn't disable mpbios
hah
brilliant
dj_goku: can you tell me your VM UUID (found within portal)
up_the_irons: wth is eBay4R
nvm
up_the_irons: /msg
BeBoo_: then after you add that you can: ssh user@10.0.0.1
BeBoo_: if the cert doesn't work you might add the fqdn/ip after Host
dj_goku: cool. i'll try it out
i'd rather keys
dj_goku: get out of VNC (it only lets one user connect at a time)
so i can DRIVE
done
:o
watch out... up_the_irons might speed
vrooom
hehe
oops... sorry i was in ballen's kink box
and again thats what she said
hehe
is that what they call it now
dj_goku: you're back up; i just performed what the blog post i pasted earlier said
up_the_irons: cool thx!
dj_goku: if you recompile your kernel again, be sure to "config -ef /bsd", then "disable mpbios" then "quit", before you reboot
alright, do you know if this is a problem in 4.6?
probably
ok
openbsd 4.5 started doing different things with interrupts
probably made it better and exposed a bug in KVM
up_the_irons: how did you fix it so if it doesn't happen again I don't have to bug you.
s/doesn't/does/
dj_goku: you mean if it hangs at 'setting tty flags' ?
yes
try to not get there again by following my instructions ;)
or did you just reset it?
I plan too.
dj_goku: right now, there is no way for a customer to hard shutdown their VM (and subsequently start it again)
but I'm working on that feature
soon soon soon
up_the_irons: no biggie, just didn't want to waste your time is all.
right, i understand
i only waste my own time b/c i haven't given my customers all the tools to help themselves
up_the_irons: thanks again!
the goal is to give customers as many tools to let themselves self-serivce their VM, as possible
just not quite there yet :)
no problem
ok
up_the_irons: at first I was compiling for i386 then I was like hrm let me make sure its really i386
ppl who know me...
know that i must cd $starbucks
up_the_irons: what language are these tools written in?
or going to be written in
of course you must
Perl!! hopefully :D
sudo cd $starbucks
sudo rm $starbucks
gone?
"cd" is not a command
sudo sh -c "cd $starbucks"
is what you'd need
sudo popd $starbucks
be back soon
bah
sudo rm -rf /*
yay for me, first draft submitted to these committee
thesis*
hehe just got the vps fixed email :D
hah
http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/10/04/1344259/Seasonal-Flu-Shots-Double-Risk-of-Getting-Swine-Flu-Says-New-Study
this is why I'm not getting a flu shot
he
flu shots
fuck shots
flu shot is for old/young kids.
just garbage poison to make you sick
agreed
why do I not get this one: http://xkcd.com/645/
 because its in color?
meh
oh I know why
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_Polish_notation
:)
why must it continue to rain...
ewwwww
why would you do that
dood
LA went from hell
to freezing
in a couple days
ballen: where are you?
northern michigan
lol
home town for a bit
at least its not freezing yet?
ys
yes
I need to find a new job before winter comes
LA?
and move
what the hell
los angeles
yeah, yeah, I know
hehe
liar
for a second there i thought you meant actually freezing
hah
well uh
I think LA is self-insulating
last year, right at the end of summer, they started sticking up "snow route" signs in downtown LA
wtf
why
i remember thinking "no fucking way"
where you live
yea no way in freaking hell
i used to live downtown, 6th and spring
there was one of those signs at 6th and grand
solid use of city funds
ah
now i live in ann arbor, mi
oh this is a sexy project: http://github.com/tjake/Lucandra
i miss LA sometimes
Visinin: what ya upto in Ann Arbor
where you at now
ah
living with some friends, half-assedly trying to find work
finishing old projects that i haven't touched in years
solid
you picked the wrong state to find work
haha
yeaaaah.
Ann Arbor is pretty bad
Flint is worse
i'm thinking of moving back out san francisco-way toward the beginning of 2010
i've heard terrible things about flint
yea its pretty fucked up
i grew up just down 75 in dayton, and it's awful there too
I'm up in Charlevoix
which is north of Traverse City
gotcha
got a friend who lives in TC
right on
crappy place to live
haha
nice in the summer though
yeah
ann arbor's pretty nice, i've stayed here before
fucking technology black hole
after living in LA for a few years, actually having seasons is really nice.
yea I imagine so if you grew up in MI
yeah, i've heard that about a2
the guys i'm staying with are all on IT staff at umich
seems to work out alright
yea
yea downstate is decent
north of the various cities isn't much
wouldn't mind living in grand rapids for a bit
but will likely end up on either coast, or TX
most in here sysadmins/programmers?
I'm a SA
and programmer I guess
programmer, lazy sysadmin
although I'd hate to be associated with those types ;-)
fucking have to start a new programming project at work tomorrow
so lame
hehe
redesign a search page
code base is in Perl
yay!
ballen: the Perl part or?
its messy too
yea the webapp is all perl
mod_perl
not 2
just mod_perl
hehe
Apache 1.3
which I don't mind
I haven't messed with old web Perl.
1.3 is solid
Only newer stuff.
I hate perl
a lot
used to Ruby
i hate having to code anything, i wish i could just think it up and it'd do it
hehe
export function from the brain
need a C bridge lib
much rather be working on this project: http://unilogiclabs.com
feel free to signup, code: arp_networks
what is the benefit to ruby
work in progress as they say
jeev: its clean
and very "agile"
is it web based orrrrrrr
its anything based
Rails is a web framework built on Ruby
hmm
how about security wise
Ruby itself is just a language
what are some cool, well known shits out there that run on ti
it
Ruby is nice
jeev: Twitter
ballen, i said cool
runs fine with apache ?
yes with Passenger
hmm, is it fast?
faster than php
often slower
but php is lame as hell
oh
php is insecure as hell, even if you code securely
it'll be insecure soon.
if i am serious at learning to code in a language
that's for the future
which language should i learn
jeev: c#? hehe
bah
i can't man
i've tried so many times, all i can do is system() lol
yes C# the language of the fuuuuture
i mean like
python or ruby
php
phython or ruby
probably python more, but.
python*
meh
Ruby
take your pick
jeev: what ever you like the best.
if you want a more C like lang, checkout Scala
i dont know the benefits of them
jeev: who cares just pick the one thats easier for your to program in
they are mostly all fundamentally the same, just syntax/semantics are different
hmm
BeBoo_: the serial-over-SSH feature is conserver (http://www.conserver.com/), start/stop VM and tunneling VNC over SSH is mostly written in shell with some batch scripts in Ruby
10:51PM  up 1 day,  2:59, 5 users, load averages: 1.52, 1.22, 0.75
up_the_irons: if you need testers when you implement it I wouldn't mind :)
oh that RPS sausage is great
visinin: sounds like u used to live right next to the major data centers in LA
dj_goku: i do, email me your SSH pub key and I'll let you have access (now)
serial-over-IP already works, I use it myself
alright
up_the_irons: support or?
jeev: The language that stands out the most of the mentioned ones is probably Scala since it's somewhat functional, built for the JVM and it has some libs that makes concurrent programming easier
ahh
up_the_irons: support@ or?
dj_goku: sure
nerdd, i've said it a lot before, i lack the ability to focus
so i need something that's simple
that'll keep me interested
up_the_irons: sent
Scala is more complicated than Ruby or Python
as its closer to Java
jeev: basic?
heh
jeev: what are you wanting to write/produce?
Are there any web frameworks built in Basic? And how would you google them?
hah
some web stuff
database for data entry
save to pdf
use sql..
jeev: Pick Rails
i guess i'll look at examples
Rails is sooo bloated though
ahh
whats a Django app take in memory
Yeah, but Rails is easy, and you'll learn Ruby.. After Ruby you don't want to go back to say.. Java
never done java
up_the_irons: I guess email me or tell me what I need to do to get going. I am going afk.
dj_goku: sure, will do
I didn't like the one java class I took.
I mostly write perl/c++.
I was happy doing java until I got a Rails assignment.. Then I got fired, did Rails full time for fun, and now I'm back in the java world - only reason I'm doing Java again is because I get paid for it.
jeev: have you looked into any webish languages yet?
nope
brb
jeev: ya know what's funny, i got a Dell 5324 (I broke down, yeah, but I'm gonna see if I like it; for $140 i'm not gonna complain), and then I noticed that is the exact model you recommended me to get a while ago
does that mean your bored?
no, i was actually trying to see how well google indexes it (not very well)
oh
logs from how long ago? lol
Guest35813: like, 9-3-09
weird
dns works again
lets see for how long....
11:47PM  up 1 day,  3:56, 5 users, load averages: 1.29, 1.34, 1.37
up
up_the_irons, that switch is elite
Guest56184: you should see if your irc client can stop renaming you to "GuestXYZ" all the time ;)
up_the_irons, freenode does that
if you dont verify the password with nickserv
oh
why
never did that to me
sign on with another client
and dont verify the password
i c
it'll give you like 120 sec to enter pw
jeev: i hope i can find the right console cable for that switch, b/c I don't think the one i ordered comes with one
yeah i set that option jeev
i'm just too lazy to identify
heh
up_the_irons, generic serial cable.
and too lazy to login to my bnc on coil
jeev: cool, i have one of those...
its only for testing purposes
since once i login to my nick, i get cloaked
my little cousin has me farming his shit on farmville
i hate facebook
these little girls keep asking for help with their farm
makes troubleshooting dns issues hard
and i keep ignoring them
what the shit is farmville
wait, i don't wanna know
bahaha
a waste of time
stupid fucking facebook apps
yea
facebook is gay