#arpnetworks 2009-10-04,Sun

up_the_irons

so the 2nd CPU, rated at 80W, didn't hit the radar
I was *very* suprised by that actually
it makes the decision of 1 CPU or 2 a non issue

ballen

yea it is interesting

up_the_irons

besides just the cost of the sucker
nevertheless, I just pulled the trigger on ordering another box
this time, I'm getting the L5430's
same as E5430 but low voltage
50W TDP

ballen

nehalems?

[00:02]

up_the_irons

no, one generation earlier
the 5400's, not 5500's
nehalems are still too expensive

[00:03]

ballen

ah
nehalems are damned fast though
have two 5520's in a box at work
compared against another box that has a 5420 in its noticable

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up_the_irons

For VMs, I don't think the CPU is the main bottleneck. I could get the extra speed, but I'd still max out at disk I/O
ballen: what is the box doing though?

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ballen

5520 box is running ESXi
5420 is a web server

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up_the_irons

F' it, maybe my *next* box I'll try the 5500's
ESXi is a hungry mother though

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ballen

oh and its loves those CPUs

[00:06]

up_the_irons

hahaha

ballen

I have... 10 vms running now
or so
going to run out of disk space before anything

up_the_irons

ballen: let me know when you get to 30 ;)

ballen

doesn't touch the CPUs
yea I don't have the disk space
at least with my current provisioning
I do have like 22 gigs of ram free too

up_the_irons

dbgi: i'm not gonna set your rdns up w/ RFC 2317, like the FAQ says, I want to try the "regular" class C style; meaning, you don't have to change much on your side
ballen: you must give 'em a lot of disk

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ballen

yea using local SAS drives
in RAID 5
only had 1.4T
my devs do bio work, so they VMs need a retarded amount of space

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dbgi

up_the_irons ok cool thanks man

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ballen

best $7k we spent though
dropped 5 servers so far in my env
and put them on this box

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up_the_irons

ballen: nice

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ballen

if you ever need to p2v a FreeBSD, let me know ;-)
FreeBSD box*

dbgi

up_the_irons im learning this while im doing it, so easier is better, i appreciate it

ballen

ugh... classless reverse dns deligation...

dbgi

though im not sure what you mean by class c style

up_the_irons

ballen: p2v?:)

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ballen

physical to virtual
moving a metal install to a vm

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up_the_irons

ah gotcha
i've done plenty of those, not w/ freebsd though

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ballen

dump and restore work surprisingly well for it
just boot with a FreeBSD 8 "live" cd
and put into the cd fixit env
s/put/boot
ftp over the dump file
partition, etc
restore
make sure fstab works for the new env
make sure rc.conf is fixed for the new env
good to go
also if you have a custom kernel... install the generic one before doing the dump

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up_the_irons

dbgi: what are the IP(s) / hostnames of your DNS servers?
ballen: yeah, sounds similar to how i p2v'd linux boxes

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ballen

damnit to freaking hell Ferret doesn't compile on OS X

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dbgi

206.125.172.78 up_the_irons

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up_the_irons

dbgi: ok

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dbgi

my friend coil in here is helping me, hes knows freebsd really well and admin sum servers, and had done dns, just never from a vps with ips owned by a company like this
so its kinda a learning experiance for us both

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up_the_irons

non RFC 2317 sub-class C delegation is new to me too ;)

but recently i've read -- http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/avoid-rfc-2317-delegation-example-1.html#SuperdomainBIND

dbgi: is your bind running now?

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dbgi

up_the_irons yes its running now

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up_the_irons

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ballen

omg, thats so much better
rfc-2317 is hell

up_the_irons

rfc 2317 is easy, be a man
;)

ballen

hah

up_the_irons

i've set it up for countless of people and it wasn't that hard..
i actually having trouble getting his example working

ballen

its just urgly
ugly*

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up_the_irons

dbgi: can i log into your VM and look at your dns setup?

[00:42]

dbgi

yes sure

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up_the_irons

ok
dbgi: hah, you did an RFC 2317 "style" setup ;)
64/28.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa
wrong zone name

[00:44]

dbgi

my friend coil did it
hes been helping cause i dont know much about it
whats wrong with it up_the_irons? can u fix it by any chance?

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up_the_irons

dbgi: workin on it

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dbgi

thank you so much

[00:47]

ballen

why are there so many search engines written in java...

[00:49]

up_the_irons

dbgi: resolver was only listening on localhost; fixing...

[00:49]

dbgi

whats wrong with java?
oh ok

[00:49]

ballen

it means I need to install JVM... and thats not happening on FreeBSD

[00:50]

up_the_irons

ballen: why are the Hive guys trying to abstract the integer? which is already an object in Java. and Object of an Object

[00:50]

i don't get why there is that 'a.ns.*' glue record in the bind example
why don't i straight "NS" it to the downstream

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dbgi

coil
thats fine to me

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dbgi

there coil is
scoil

scoil

dbgi

[03:56] <@up_the_irons> i don't get why there is that 'a.ns.*' glue record in the bind example
[03:56] <@up_the_irons> why don't i straight "NS" it to the downstream

scoil

yea idk either

dbgi

i know very little about bind, coil knows it pretty well

scoil

i wouldn't say i know it pretty well

dbgi

o ok'
better then me then

http://www.isi.edu/~bmanning/v6DNS.html#named.conf

up_the_irons

scoil: dbgi: i think i have it almost working

[00:58]

dbgi

you know, no other place could u get help like this from the people who work and run the company
sweet up_the_irons, thats awesome

[00:58]

scoil

yeah never seen this before
we both appreciate it very much

[00:59]

up_the_irons

hehe, no problem

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dbgi

seriously though, its awesome

[01:00]

up_the_irons

I aim to please

[01:01]

scoil

just what are you doing
so i'll know

[01:01]

dbgi

dbgi is a customer for life i think

[01:01]

up_the_irons

scoil: i'll let u know once i'm done

[01:02]

dig: couldn't get address for 'a.ns.71.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa': not found
ugh

[01:08]

i am hating bind right now...

[01:18]

dbgi

sorry man

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ballen

up_the_irons: should use djbdns ;-)

[01:18]

up_the_irons

ballen: i've been meaning to switch for a long time, just too many projects...

[01:19]

ballen

ballen was very much kidding

[01:19]

up_the_irons

dbgi: not your fault; i'm trying a different delegation scheme here, that should be easier for customers in the future, so it is worth the time spent
ballen: well, getting away from bind would be nice. i want to switch resolution to "unbound" and delegation to "nsd"

[01:19]

dbgi

kk
if i dall asleep im really sorry
ill read up in here if i do

[01:20]

ballen

up_the_irons: ever hear of http://xapian.org/
another search engine
with a ruby lib here: http://github.com/ryanb/xapit

[01:22]

up_the_irons

ballen: sounds familiar
dbgi: no problem, don't wait up ;)

[01:25]

dbgi

you sure?
ill read up in here when i get up ok
my eyes are all blurry
and really, thanks you soooooooooooooooooo much for the help, i really appreciate it

[01:25]

ballen

up_the_irons: it powers gmane.org's search

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up_the_irons

dbgi: no problem, get some rest :)
ballen: ah, nice

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dbgi

thanks, gnight all

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up_the_irons

l8r
alright.. for the record, i can't get that dude's instructions to work; switching back to regular RFC 2317, which has never been a problem in the past

[01:31]

ballen

mmk
also for the record... I'm fairly sure there's no way to do fuzzy logic search with a key/value db that doesn't involve load the entire contents of a set into memory first
the only workable model I could come up with is storing permutations of the data and do normal include? on the set

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up_the_irons

dbgi: i *think* your rdns is working; i dunno why I had so much trouble with this one after I put it back to RFC 2317... maybe things are cached somewhere, you had a long TTL. I'm just gonna leave it alone for now; see the changes I did to /etc/namedb

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Thorgrimr

Moanin

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obsidieth

elo

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up_the_irons

morn'

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Thorgrimr

Hey up_the_irons
Can I run dns for ipv6 on an ipv4-only host?

[05:26]

up_the_irons

yeah but why would you want to?

[05:29]

Thorgrimr

I'd like to run reverses etc for my stuff, but our primary dns boxes are ipv4
Either that, or I need to add another IP to this box to satisfy the two dns requirement

[05:30]

up_the_irons

you can do it, there's no technical reason you can't

[05:31]

Thorgrimr

Alright, thanks

[05:33]

up_the_irons

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Thorgrimr

Have you got sample reverse zone files up anywhere (for v6)?

[05:35]

Nat_UB

[05:39]

Thorgrimr

Yeah, but I thought ip6.int was deprecated over ip6.arpa?

[05:41]

up_the_irons

i use ip6.arpa

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Thorgrimr

And we are assigned /64s? Or /48s?

[05:43]

up_the_irons

/48

[05:49]

Thorgrimr

Okay, got a few too many 0's in my config

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Well howbout that crap... use the right prefix length in the reverse zone and it actually starts responding :)

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mike-burns

Much as I like Sinatra's minimalism, it doesn't give you anything. If I built my own Tender I'd use Rails and Searchlogic. Maybe throw some freetext search engine at it if I discovered a perf problem.
And if I wanted to host my own blog I'd just use Wordpress.
But that's me; I'm lazy.

[06:22]

up_the_irons

if anyone is interested in KVM and OpenBSD: http://scie.nti.st/2009/10/4/running-openbsd-4-5-in-kvm-on-ubuntu-linux-9-04
hot of the presses
*off

[06:25]

Thorgrimr

cool

[06:25]

up_the_irons

cd $bed

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Thorgrimr

g'night

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BeBoo_

O.o

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scoil

11:46 Host 66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa not found: 2(SERVFAIL)a
that's from my isp's dns
but i see it works from the vps

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ballen

up_the_irons: .... did you sleep last night?

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mike-burns

up_the_irons doesn't sleep; he waits.

[09:41]

ballen

scoil: did you try resolving that reverse pointing your client at arp's DNS server
would be a good troubleshooting step

[09:42]

scoil

no i havent

jeev

myfet.us
?
heh

scoil

yea

ballen

jeev: wierd

jeev

what
scoil, check how much longer it's cached for

scoil

3600

[09:44]

jeev

yea it doesn't work on my arp box either

ballen

scoil what is the IP of you VPS
your*

jeev

ballen, probably 206.125.172.66
;)

ballen

jeev: just checking

scoil

well thats one of them
the ns is 206.125.172.78
Using domain server:
Name: 206.125.172.78
Address: 206.125.172.78#53
Aliases:
Host 66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa not found: 5(REFUSED)
oh

ballen

so I be able to query it scoil?
directly
should*

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jeev

nslookup 206.125.172.66
;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 208.79.88.7, trying next server
;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 208.79.88.7, trying next server
** server can't find 66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa: SERVFAIL

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ballen

> server 206.125.172.78
Default server: 206.125.172.78
Address: 206.125.172.78#53
> 206.125.172.78
Server: 206.125.172.78
Address: 206.125.172.78#53
** server can't find 78.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa: REFUSED

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scoil

66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa is an alias for 66.64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa.
66.64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer myfet.us.
so what does this mean
refused

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ballen

means your BIND server refuses to serve it
could be a few things
make sure theres no ACL's etc
can you query other domains on it remotely

[09:50]

scoil

Using domain server:
Name: 206.125.172.78
Address: 206.125.172.78#53
Aliases:
Host google.com.cfl.rr.com not found: 5(REFUSED)

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jeev

scoil, it still says 3600 ?

[09:50]

scoil

lol wtf google.com.cfl.rr.com
i asked for google.com not google.com.cfl.rr.com

jeev

heh

ballen

scoil: your local dns prefix

scoil

jeev: iidk how do i check

ballen

query for google.com.
note the ending .

scoil

Using domain server:
Name: 206.125.172.78
Address: 206.125.172.78#53
Aliases:
Host google.com not found: 5(REFUSED)

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Thorgrimr

Sounds like recursion is disabled

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ballen

yea basically BIND won't do recursive lookups for you
which is good
for this type of server
whats the zone entry for the reverse zone

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scoil

zone "64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "/etc/namedb/206.125.172.64-79.rev"; };

[09:54]

ballen

reload named and check the log file any errors

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scoil

rndc: neither /etc/namedb/rndc.conf nor /etc/namedb/rndc.key was found

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ballen

using freebsd?
/etc/rc.d/named restart

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scoil

yeah fbsd
no errors

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ballen

on the local machine can you query for the IP?

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scoil

using its self for the dns yes
not arp's dns

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coil_

but it resolves?

ballen

then it sounds like its not the zone file, but an issue with how named is serving the zone

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Guest89298

but its working?

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ballen

well your local dns resvolves locally... so the zone file locally works fine

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Guest89298

well i'm just confused with what freenode is doing

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ballen

by chance could you paste your named.conf into a pastie

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Guest89298

how come freenode was able to resolve it
yeah let me load up pastebin

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ballen

hmm
that is interesting

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jeev

mephisto looks good

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ballen

yea its decent, has had a history of long terms of inactivity though

jeev

ahh

http://pastebin.com/m3a370f22

scoil

ballen

theres also Feather that uses Merb

jeev

ballen, the one you told me.. requires a server and stuff man
i dont want to get into things where i need to make sure another db is running in the background
it's too much

[10:07]

ballen

scoil: 68.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa. 3537 IN CNAME 68.64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa.
so the CNAME is showing up
nvm, thats just upsteam
i.e. Arp's NS server
which is a good thing, but doesn't help

[10:15]

jeev

grrrrrrrrrr
i want to set up my blog
what do i do
i already got the tagline for it
ahmadinejad.org, calm down -- it's just a domain name.

[10:19]

coil

lol

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jeev

wonder if up_the_irons has tried VIA from starbucks
if it's anything like the chipset, it'll fail
i tried it

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ballen

scoil: add allow-query { any; }; to options section at the top of named.conf and restart named
also for good measure use /etc/rc.d/named forcerestart

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coil

ok
named not running? (check /var/run/named/pid).
wrote key file "/var/named/etc/namedb/rndc.key"
Starting named.

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coil_

hey it resolves

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coil

oh only on freenode

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jeev

god named is gay
;D

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ballen

it doesn't appear to, to me
ballen is confused
jeev: it really is

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jeev

works for me from other servers
what really is

[10:34]

ballen

named

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jeev

ahh yea

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ballen

coil: well with that option in there you should also have: recursion no;
and allow-query-cache { none; };

[10:35]

coil

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ballen

so people can't use your named server to lookup anytihng but your domains

[10:36]

jeev

eh
you could enable that
i use djbdns :)

[10:36]

ballen

coil: alright thats all I got so far. I need some breakfast and coffee

jeev

tinydns foR LiFe

ballen

jeev: you would

coil

ok
i enabled those
or added the options

jeev

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ballen

coil: is this a /28

[10:41]

coil

yes

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ballen

starting at .64?

[10:41]

coil

yea

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ballen

change your zone entry to: zone "64-28.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa" {
and make sure you zone file matches

[10:42]

coil

do i have to change the serial

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ballen

meh
not for now

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coil

so 206.125.172.64-79.rev would be 206.125.172.28-64.rev?

[10:45]

ballen

you don't need to change the filename
this probably is equivalent to what was there, but worth a shot

[10:45]

coil

ohhh

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ballen

note: its zone "64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa"
err
64-28
i.e. 64/28

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coil

yeah got you

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ballen

k, I'll be back in a bit

[10:48]

jeev

http://www.simpledns.com/lookup-dg.aspx
go there
trace it

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ballen

let me know if it works

[10:49]

jeev

i used to have the way to do it from command line
i forgot

[10:49]

ballen

jeev: yea deligation is working correctly in this case

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coil

-> Authority: NS-record for 64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa = 206.125.172.78

jeev

it shouldn't continued to trace to his server

http://pastebin.com/m55602bd9

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[10:51]

coil__

what about ipv6, do i have to do the same setps with it
get it delegated first?

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Fudgezilla

Go fuck yourselves

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jeev

lol

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up_the_irons

scoil: coil Guest24065 ballen: I wouldn't change the zone name, it must match what I have in mine: http://pastie.org/private/k4jlwvgr6gxp32tv5s5sg
IPv6 is also delegated (just did that now)
IPv6 is way easier
0.0.2.4 IN NS 206.125.172.78.

[14:33]

ballen

yea like I told him they're pretty much equivalent

[14:33]

up_the_irons

that's all there is to it

[14:33]

ballen

his server is refusing a query
directly to it

[14:34]

up_the_irons

mm.. indeed
although i thought i saw that working last night
(it was refusing)
dig @206.125.172.78 66.64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa.
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 23321

[14:35]

ballen

out of zone, or named not allowing queries

[14:36]

up_the_irons

yeah

[14:36]

coil

ok so change it back?
change the zone?

[14:37]

64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa

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up_the_irons

the zone name *must* match what I have in my DNS: 64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa
gtg, bbl

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jeev

up
damnit

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jeev

did you try VIA from starbucks
like it
?

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coil

ok i changed it
and i'm getting refused to myself now
Host 66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa not found: 5(REFUSED)
that's from the vps

[14:58]

jeev

paste
config to pastebin

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coil

[15:00]

jeev

the .rev file contents

[15:00]

coil

http://pastebin.com/m187967b1

[15:01]

jeev

ive never seen reverse delegated with cname

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coil

it's something he wanted to try

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ballen

jeev: thats std regarding the RFC

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jeev

never seen it

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coil

oh
apparently the .rev file had a syntax error in it

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jeev

why didn't i notice that
hmm

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coil_

wtf

jeev

coil, it'll take some time for the cache to expire probably

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jeev

dns isn't instant

Guest27384

yeah i'm using the round robbin
so i guess i'm just getting the same server over and over

jeev

well if you're using round robin
you likely have it in YOUR cache
clear your cache and try the roundrobin again
or try kubrick.freenode.net or anthony.freenode.net
they're LA and OC

coil

idk how to clear it in fbsd

[16:18]

jeev

just try to /server kubrick.freenode.net, i dont either.. i use my own dnscache from djbdns
and clear it by taking it down and up

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coil_

:D
well i'm satified

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[16:20]

jeev

what server worked

[16:20]

Guest98745

well i tried a different host
i'm on brown

[16:22]

dbgi

coil
Guest98745

[16:23]

Guest98745

sup dbgi

[16:24]

dbgi

is it going well?

[16:24]

Guest98745

yes
it works
working on ipv6 now

[16:25]

dbgi

SWEET
sweet

Guest98745

go a head and think of some hosts

dbgi

Guest98745

http://freedns.afraid.org/domain/registry/
search in there and come up with some sub domains

dbgi

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obsidieth

servfail.

[17:12]

coil

its suppost to
unless it broke

[17:13]

obsidieth

whats an ip to dig
or host.
i wont have any cached, we'll fin dout

[17:14]

coil

206.125.172.66 is the only one with an entry
it should be myfet.us

[17:14]

obsidieth

17:15:57 Host 66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa not found: 2(SERVFAIL)

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[17:16]

coil

obsidieth idk
it was working
and named is still running

jeev

i think you've destroyed every single cache on earth

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coil_

see it's working

toddf

time to look to the stars

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[17:19]

coil__

its working
obsidieth:

[17:19]

ballen

holy hell it works
what'd you do to fix it

[17:20]

coil

#
64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa. IN SOA 206.125.172.78.
#
coil.scoil.info. (
that needed to be on the same line
and it fixed it

[17:21]

ballen

[17:21]

jeev

ballen, im waiting for youto try to cinvince me to use that blogging software

ballen

meh

obsidieth

idk

ballen

use whatever you want

jeev

i'm looking for encouraging words

coil__

lets try ipv6

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coil_

hmm

obsidieth

[o@venom:~] host coil.scoil.info
Host coil.scoil.info not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[o@venom:~] host 206.125.172.78
Host 78.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa not found: 2(SERVFAIL)

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Guest5032

well coil.scoil isn't a host

ballen

coil.scoil.info doesn't resolve

Guest5032

that's my email

obsidieth

.66 ets a servfail

[17:25]

Guest5032

ur a serv fail

[17:25]

ballen

dig -x @206.125.172.78 206.125.172.78
; <<>> DiG 9.6.0-APPLE-P2 <<>> -x @206.125.172.78 206.125.172.78
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 58332
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;78.172.125.@206.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR

[17:25]

Guest5032

[17:26]

ballen

ballen shrugs

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[20:03]

scort

if i was to install pf, would there be anything special i need for the vps
like i know i have to recompile the kernel, but i dont have to enable any specia devices or anything, right?

[20:03]

ballen

nah
fyi, allow ICMP from up_the_irons monitoring server

up_the_irons

ballen: you can't dig with "-x" directly on his resolver b/c he doesn't have the entire class C. this is what works:

ballen

no idea what that IP is though

up_the_irons

dig @206.125.172.78 66.64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa ptr

ballen

up_the_irons: ah

up_the_irons

scort: ballen: allow icmp for 208.79.88.56

scort

dns isn't working on about half the irc servers i've tried

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scort: keep the serial port in the kernel if you want out-of-band w/o VNC

coil_

it works on freenode fine

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scort

up_the_irons

scort: Guest90705: i think you guys destroyed every cache on earth, like jeev said ;)

scort

lol

up_the_irons

you should reduce the TTL to 5 minutes

scort

up_the_irons

until you have everything worked out

scort

so thats...
$calc(5*60)
er
300

[20:07]

up_the_irons

300, yes

[20:07]

ballen

ballen hates proofing papers

[20:08]

up_the_irons

jeev: and no, i haven't tried VIA yet; i'm against individually plastic wrapped products (produces a crap ton of waste)

ballen

isn't VIA instant coffe?

up_the_irons

yup

ballen

ew
I'll stick to my espresso

up_the_irons

if i make my own coffee, it is french pressed
there is nothing better than pressed coffee, compared to drip
you waste nothing (no filter), and it is 10x stronger

[20:10]

ballen

yea I do up the french press as well
but have been making primarly espresso
for the last month or so

[20:11]

up_the_irons

cool

Guest90705

lets see if ipv6 works

ballen

waiting till I get a new job before I drop 1k+ on a new espresso machine and grinder

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scort

blah

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[21:08]

ballen

woot proof reading done... not to ensure LaTex didn't muck my figures up

[21:14]

jeev

oh ballen
you try VIA from starbucks ?
up_the_irons, servers come in plastic

[21:14]

ballen

closest starbucks is like 30 minutes away
I make my own coffee

jeev

ballen

not a fan of instant coffee

jeev

yea i guess
i like all kind as long as i can make it sweet

ballen

thats what she said

jeev

heh
nasty shit

[21:16]

ballen

Drinking: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/287/38146
quite strong

BeBoo_

coffee is nasty

ballen

BeBoo_: blasphemy

BeBoo_

ballen: tea ftw kthx

ballen

tea is good

BeBoo_

speaking of which...

jeev

did anyone see Year One ?

BeBoo_

i should make some

ballen

but coffee... isss better

BeBoo_

coffee causes kidney stones
you have fun with that
lol

[21:18]

ballen

since when?

[21:20]

BeBoo_

caffeine
However, in a latest survey maintain that kidney function is influenced by too much coffee or caffeine intake. It could lead to some problems for example diuresis, detrusor instability and kidney stones.
Caffeine intake has to be controlled or it can cause the painful medical situation of kidney stones. In a current examination, participants with a history of kidney stones were provided a dosage of caffeine equal to that found in two cups of coffee.

[21:27]

ballen

well I'm boned

dj_goku

Hi.

BeBoo_

HI.

dj_goku

I think I broke my vps :(

BeBoo_

BeBoo_ hands you a tissue

visinin

how did you break it?

dj_goku

I rebooted it, but it hasn't came back up.

BeBoo_

dj_goku: connect to the vnc console
It is recommended that people prone to kidney stones ought to control their intake of coffee to less than two cups or 16 ounces per day. Caffeine is discovered in other beverages such as soda which have to be limited to amount alike as well.

dj_goku

BeBoo_: Sorry, I read about the vnc console. But have not idea how to connect.

[21:33]

BeBoo_

dj_goku: http://www.tightvnc.com/
download and install
enter the ip, port and password given to you
you should see your console

[21:34]

scort

how does that work

[21:35]

BeBoo_

how does what work?

[21:35]

scort

the vnc console
even if you, say..take your network interface down

BeBoo_

still confused on the question.
yes?

visinin

scort: it's provided by the hypervisor

BeBoo_

the vnc console is running on the host
not in the vps itself

visinin

exactly

[21:37]

scort

ahh ok

[21:37]

BeBoo_

you can reboot and see the qemu bios post
i thought that was funny
tbh
that console access is a godsend... i failed to enable a flag on my filesystems after a kernel rebuild and it went into single-user
lol

[21:37]

scort

haha
yeah it's very cool

[21:39]

BeBoo_

i'm a linux dork... i used to use freebsd all the time but no one ever offered freebsd vpses... i never saw arp until recently
well, actually teknicaL found them

[21:39]

dj_goku

I can't vnc to the IP of my vps.

[21:40]

BeBoo_

its not your vps' IP
you were given an ip, port and password at signup. not sure if it's in the email but it's definately in your portal
it's a different IP
i assume it's the host's IP

[21:40]

dj_goku

crap
dj_goku feels dumb
weird.

[21:42]

BeBoo_

[21:43]

ballen

portal.arpnetworks.com
login

[21:44]

dj_goku

locked up at boot

[21:44]

ballen

its shown there

[21:44]

dj_goku

well past post.

ballen

hmm

dj_goku

anyone have a openbsd vps in here?

ballen

ctrl-alt-delete?
nah fbsd here

dj_goku

its at setting tty flags

ballen

up_the_irons: your presence is required

BeBoo_

dj_goku: you'll need to boot into single user most likely to see what's going on

dj_goku

ballen: did you compile a amd64 or i386 kernel

ballen

using the generic 64

BeBoo_

i built an amd64 kernel
no problems here

dj_goku

same here
how do I boot into single user mode?

BeBoo_

don't know on openbsd
never used it
i assume there is a boot menu like freebsd has

[21:47]

scort

bah i dont think rdns is working fully

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[21:47]

dj_goku

oh, well I know how to, just not sure how to reboot the vps.

BeBoo_

that has the option to boot normally or single user

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BeBoo_

try ctl-alt-delete inside the vnc window

scort

some vnc clients have a "send ctl-alt-del" menu button

BeBoo_

the vnc client may be able to send ctl-alt-delete as well.
check the buttons or menus

dj_goku

haha, I can ctrl + C
hehe

BeBoo_

i use a mac so i have a different vnc client

dj_goku

BeBoo_: what do you use?

scort

dj_goku are you using tightvnc

dj_goku

dj_goku has a mac also
no.

BeBoo_

"Chicken of the VNC"

dj_goku

aye

BeBoo_

weird name for an app
but i love it
nice and fast

dj_goku

yah

ballen

FYI Chkick blows
Chicken

BeBoo_

ballen

JollysFastVNC

BeBoo_

how DARE you

ballen

is the new one

dj_goku

ballen: am using that currently.

ballen

that owns

BeBoo_

pfft
ballen: you have a mac?

dj_goku

dj_goku doesn't know what to do.

ballen

theres a Sen CTL-ALT-DEL deal in one of the menus

visinin

real men telnet into VNC servers, type the commands manually, and draw out the current state of the screen on graph paper

ballen

BeBoo: of course

BeBoo_

visinin: lol @ telnet

visinin

or netcat if you're into that

BeBoo_

ballen: do you use terminal to ssh or an ssh client?

visinin

that's kinky stuff though

dj_goku

ballen: openbsd doesn't use CTRL + ALT + DEL

ballen

dj_goku: send a email to support@arpnetworks.com
to get attention of Garry

visinin

dj_goku: http://www.openbsd101.com/tipstricks.html#tt1

BeBoo_

or say his nick a few hundred times

dj_goku

I seriously don't know what I could of done wrong.

BeBoo_

lol

ballen

up_the_irons, up_the_irons, up_the_irons, up_the_irons
up_the_irons
up_the_irons
up_the_irons
up_the_irons
up_the_irons
up_the_irons

BeBoo_

lol

dj_goku

visinin: yeah its in the FAQ on openbsd.org

BeBoo_

BeBoo_ waits for the ban hammer
;x

visinin

ah cool

BeBoo_

ballen: do you use terminal to ssh or an ssh client?

ballen

naaaah

visinin

haven't used openbsd in a while

ballen

terminal

BeBoo_

bah

dj_goku

visinin: but, its booting the kernel just has stopped.

BeBoo_

i'm looking for an ssh client for the mac

ballen

what in the hell is wrong with terminal

dj_goku

BeBoo_: terminal is good

BeBoo_

i build putty from source and can run it under x11 but it's slow

ballen

you on Leopard or Snow Leopard?

BeBoo_

dj_goku

ballen

so whats wrong with Term

BeBoo_

only feature i really really want... is sending of keep-alive packets when connected over ssh
my firewall closes idle connections

ballen

yea that'd be nice

BeBoo_

=[21:54] <ballen> ssh doesn't have that option

ballen

the cmd line

[21:54]

BeBoo_

nope but ssh clients dp
do*
sending of NOOP commands
i might use putty even tho it's slow
=[21:54] <BeBoo_> and i haven't figured out exactly how to use keys using ssh

[21:54]

ballen

Beboo_: sshd_config on server add:
KeepAlive yes
ClientAliveInterval 60

[21:54]

BeBoo_

oooo

ballen

or quicker if you'd like

BeBoo_

60 is what i usually set it to

ballen

I run into the same problem
fucking Junipers

dj_goku

BeBoo_: like authorized_keys?

[21:56]

scort

BeBoo_ you gotta download puttygen.exe and make a key
then put that in authorized_keys

[21:56]

ballen

Beboo_: also if you don't have sshd_config access
~/.ssh/config
ServerAliveInterval 60

[21:56]

dj_goku

config is how I setup multiple key pairs

[21:57]

up_the_irons

i'm here, just reading scrollback...

[21:57]

ballen

hah, see it worked

[21:58]

dj_goku

hehe
up_the_irons: I fubared my VPS.
sent you an email.
2 days old and I already broke it.

[21:58]

BeBoo_

i know how to _make_ keys
i don't know how to use them when connecting to a server using ssh
in terminal

[21:59]

ballen

use them normally
cat id_rsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
id_rsa.pub from the client
authorized_keys in the server side
if your on a Mac
and the key as a password

[22:00]

up_the_irons

dj_goku: did you recompiled your kernel?

BeBoo_

ballen

ssh-agent will pop up a nifty thing and ask you to add it to your keychain

dj_goku

up_the_irons: yes sir.
BeBoo_: Host 10.0.0.1
User dj_goku
IdentityFile ~/.ssh/id_rsa
add something like that to your ~/.config

up_the_irons

dj_goku: LOL, then you need: http://scie.nti.st/2009/10/4/running-openbsd-4-5-in-kvm-on-ubuntu-linux-9-04
i just wrote that yesterday ;)

dj_goku

said :(
sad*

up_the_irons

dj_goku: your kernel locked up b/c you didn't disable mpbios

[22:02]

ballen

hah
brilliant

[22:02]

up_the_irons

dj_goku: can you tell me your VM UUID (found within portal)

[22:02]

ballen

up_the_irons: wth is eBay4R
nvm

[22:03]

dj_goku

up_the_irons: /msg
BeBoo_: then after you add that you can: ssh user@10.0.0.1
BeBoo_: if the cert doesn't work you might add the fqdn/ip after Host

[22:04]

BeBoo_

dj_goku: cool. i'll try it out
i'd rather keys

up_the_irons

dj_goku: get out of VNC (it only lets one user connect at a time)
so i can DRIVE

dj_goku

done

BeBoo_

:o
watch out... up_the_irons might speed

ballen

vrooom

dj_goku

hehe

BeBoo_

BeBoo_ gets his cop hat on
oops... sorry i was in ballen's kink box

[22:06]

ballen

and again thats what she said

[22:06]

BeBoo_

BeBoo_ gives up_the_irons a speeding ticket

[22:07]

up_the_irons

hehe

[22:07]

ballen

is that what they call it now

[22:07]

up_the_irons

dj_goku: you're back up; i just performed what the blog post i pasted earlier said

[22:09]

dj_goku

up_the_irons: cool thx!

[22:09]

up_the_irons

dj_goku: if you recompile your kernel again, be sure to "config -ef /bsd", then "disable mpbios" then "quit", before you reboot

dj_goku

alright, do you know if this is a problem in 4.6?

up_the_irons

probably

dj_goku

up_the_irons

openbsd 4.5 started doing different things with interrupts
probably made it better and exposed a bug in KVM

dj_goku

up_the_irons: how did you fix it so if it doesn't happen again I don't have to bug you.
s/doesn't/does/

[22:11]

up_the_irons

dj_goku: you mean if it hangs at 'setting tty flags' ?

dj_goku

yes

up_the_irons

try to not get there again by following my instructions ;)

dj_goku

or did you just reset it?
I plan too.

up_the_irons

dj_goku: right now, there is no way for a customer to hard shutdown their VM (and subsequently start it again)
but I'm working on that feature
soon soon soon

dj_goku

up_the_irons: no biggie, just didn't want to waste your time is all.

[22:13]

up_the_irons

right, i understand
i only waste my own time b/c i haven't given my customers all the tools to help themselves

[22:13]

dj_goku

up_the_irons: thanks again!

[22:14]

up_the_irons

the goal is to give customers as many tools to let themselves self-serivce their VM, as possible
just not quite there yet :)
no problem
ok

[22:14]

dj_goku

up_the_irons: at first I was compiling for i386 then I was like hrm let me make sure its really i386

up_the_irons

ppl who know me...
know that i must cd $starbucks

BeBoo_

up_the_irons: what language are these tools written in?
or going to be written in

ballen

of course you must

dj_goku

Perl!! hopefully :D

ballen

sudo cd $starbucks

BeBoo_

sudo rm $starbucks

ballen

gone?

up_the_irons

up_the_irons slaps ballen
"cd" is not a command
sudo sh -c "cd $starbucks"
is what you'd need

ballen

sudo popd $starbucks

up_the_irons

be back soon

BeBoo_

bah

ballen

sudo rm -rf /*
yay for me, first draft submitted to these committee
thesis*

dj_goku

hehe just got the vps fixed email :D

[22:18]

ballen

hah
http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/10/04/1344259/Seasonal-Flu-Shots-Double-Risk-of-Getting-Swine-Flu-Says-New-Study
this is why I'm not getting a flu shot

[22:19]

jeev

he
flu shots

ballen

fuck shots

dj_goku

flu shot is for old/young kids.

jeev

just garbage poison to make you sick

ballen

agreed
why do I not get this one: http://xkcd.com/645/

dj_goku

because its in color?

[22:23]

ballen

meh

[22:23]

dj_goku

oh I know why
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_Polish_notation
:)

ballen

why must it continue to rain...
ewwwww
why would you do that

jeev

dood
LA went from hell
to freezing
in a couple days

dj_goku

ballen: where are you?

ballen

northern michigan

dj_goku

lol

ballen

home town for a bit

dj_goku

at least its not freezing yet?

ballen

ys
yes
I need to find a new job before winter comes

visinin

LA?

ballen

and move

visinin

what the hell

jeev

los angeles

visinin

yeah, yeah, I know

dj_goku

hehe

jeev

liar

visinin

for a second there i thought you meant actually freezing

ballen

hah

visinin

well uh

ballen

I think LA is self-insulating

visinin

last year, right at the end of summer, they started sticking up "snow route" signs in downtown LA

ballen

wtf
why

visinin

i remember thinking "no fucking way"

jeev

where you live

ballen

yea no way in freaking hell

visinin

i used to live downtown, 6th and spring
there was one of those signs at 6th and grand

ballen

solid use of city funds

jeev

visinin

now i live in ann arbor, mi

ballen

oh this is a sexy project: http://github.com/tjake/Lucandra

visinin

i miss LA sometimes

ballen

Visinin: what ya upto in Ann Arbor

jeev

where you at now
ah

visinin

living with some friends, half-assedly trying to find work
finishing old projects that i haven't touched in years

ballen

solid
you picked the wrong state to find work

visinin

haha
yeaaaah.

ballen

Ann Arbor is pretty bad
Flint is worse

visinin

i'm thinking of moving back out san francisco-way toward the beginning of 2010
i've heard terrible things about flint

ballen

yea its pretty fucked up

visinin

i grew up just down 75 in dayton, and it's awful there too

ballen

I'm up in Charlevoix
which is north of Traverse City

visinin

gotcha
got a friend who lives in TC

[22:31]

ballen

right on
crappy place to live

visinin

haha

ballen

nice in the summer though

visinin

yeah
ann arbor's pretty nice, i've stayed here before

ballen

fucking technology black hole

visinin

after living in LA for a few years, actually having seasons is really nice.

ballen

yea I imagine so if you grew up in MI

visinin

yeah, i've heard that about a2
the guys i'm staying with are all on IT staff at umich
seems to work out alright

[22:33]

ballen

yea
yea downstate is decent
north of the various cities isn't much
wouldn't mind living in grand rapids for a bit
but will likely end up on either coast, or TX

[22:33]

dj_goku

most in here sysadmins/programmers?

[22:34]

ballen

I'm a SA
and programmer I guess

[22:34]

visinin

programmer, lazy sysadmin

[22:35]

ballen

although I'd hate to be associated with those types ;-)
fucking have to start a new programming project at work tomorrow
so lame

[22:35]

dj_goku

hehe

ballen

redesign a search page
code base is in Perl

dj_goku

yay!

ballen

ballen wants to kill himself

dj_goku

ballen: the Perl part or?

ballen

its messy too
yea the webapp is all perl
mod_perl
not 2
just mod_perl

dj_goku

hehe

ballen

Apache 1.3
which I don't mind

dj_goku

I haven't messed with old web Perl.

ballen

1.3 is solid

dj_goku

Only newer stuff.

ballen

I hate perl
a lot
used to Ruby

jeev

i hate having to code anything, i wish i could just think it up and it'd do it

[22:38]

dj_goku

hehe

[22:38]

ballen

export function from the brain
need a C bridge lib
much rather be working on this project: http://unilogiclabs.com
feel free to signup, code: arp_networks

[22:38]

jeev

what is the benefit to ruby

ballen

work in progress as they say
jeev: its clean
and very "agile"

jeev

is it web based orrrrrrr

ballen

its anything based
Rails is a web framework built on Ruby

jeev

hmm
how about security wise

ballen

Ruby itself is just a language

jeev

what are some cool, well known shits out there that run on ti
it

nerdd

Ruby is nice

ballen

jeev: Twitter

jeev

ballen, i said cool
runs fine with apache ?

ballen

yes with Passenger

jeev

hmm, is it fast?
faster than php

[22:43]

ballen

often slower
but php is lame as hell

[22:43]

jeev

oh
php is insecure as hell, even if you code securely
it'll be insecure soon.
if i am serious at learning to code in a language
that's for the future
which language should i learn

[22:43]

dj_goku

jeev: c#? hehe

[22:46]

jeev

bah
i can't man
i've tried so many times, all i can do is system() lol

[22:46]

ballen

yes C# the language of the fuuuuture

jeev

i mean like
python or ruby
php

ballen

phython or ruby

dj_goku

probably python more, but.

ballen

python*
meh
Ruby
take your pick

dj_goku

jeev: what ever you like the best.

[22:48]

ballen

if you want a more C like lang, checkout Scala

[22:48]

jeev

i dont know the benefits of them

[22:48]

ballen

jeev: who cares just pick the one thats easier for your to program in

[22:49]

dj_goku

they are mostly all fundamentally the same, just syntax/semantics are different

[22:49]

jeev

hmm

[22:49]

up_the_irons

BeBoo_: the serial-over-SSH feature is conserver (http://www.conserver.com/), start/stop VM and tunneling VNC over SSH is mostly written in shell with some batch scripts in Ruby

Guest35813

10:51PM up 1 day, 2:59, 5 users, load averages: 1.52, 1.22, 0.75

dj_goku

up_the_irons: if you need testers when you implement it I wouldn't mind :)

up_the_irons

oh that RPS sausage is great
visinin: sounds like u used to live right next to the major data centers in LA
dj_goku: i do, email me your SSH pub key and I'll let you have access (now)
serial-over-IP already works, I use it myself

dj_goku

alright
up_the_irons: support or?

nerdd

jeev: The language that stands out the most of the mentioned ones is probably Scala since it's somewhat functional, built for the JVM and it has some libs that makes concurrent programming easier

jeev

ahh

dj_goku

up_the_irons: support@ or?

up_the_irons

dj_goku: sure

jeev

nerdd, i've said it a lot before, i lack the ability to focus
so i need something that's simple
that'll keep me interested

dj_goku

up_the_irons: sent

[22:56]

ballen

Scala is more complicated than Ruby or Python
as its closer to Java

[22:56]

dj_goku

jeev: basic?

[22:57]

jeev

heh

[22:57]

dj_goku

jeev: what are you wanting to write/produce?

nerdd

Are there any web frameworks built in Basic? And how would you google them?

ballen

hah

jeev

some web stuff
database for data entry
save to pdf
use sql..

nerdd

jeev: Pick Rails

[22:59]

jeev

i guess i'll look at examples

ballen

Rails is sooo bloated though

jeev

ahh

ballen

whats a Django app take in memory

nerdd

Yeah, but Rails is easy, and you'll learn Ruby.. After Ruby you don't want to go back to say.. Java

jeev

never done java

dj_goku

up_the_irons: I guess email me or tell me what I need to do to get going. I am going afk.

up_the_irons

dj_goku: sure, will do

dj_goku

I didn't like the one java class I took.
I mostly write perl/c++.