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| ballen | drives are power hogs | [00:00] |
| up_the_irons | so the 2nd CPU, rated at 80W, didn't hit the radar
I was *very* suprised by that actually it makes the decision of 1 CPU or 2 a non issue | [00:00] |
| ballen | yea it is interesting | [00:00] |
| up_the_irons | besides just the cost of the sucker
nevertheless, I just pulled the trigger on ordering another box this time, I'm getting the L5430's same as E5430 but low voltage 50W TDP | [00:00] |
| ballen | nehalems? | [00:02] |
| up_the_irons | no, one generation earlier
the 5400's, not 5500's nehalems are still too expensive | [00:03] |
| ballen | ah
nehalems are damned fast though have two 5520's in a box at work compared against another box that has a 5420 in its noticable | [00:04] |
| up_the_irons | For VMs, I don't think the CPU is the main bottleneck. I could get the extra speed, but I'd still max out at disk I/O
ballen: what is the box doing though? | [00:05] |
| ballen | 5520 box is running ESXi
5420 is a web server | [00:06] |
| up_the_irons | F' it, maybe my *next* box I'll try the 5500's
ESXi is a hungry mother though | [00:06] |
| ballen | oh and its loves those CPUs | [00:06] |
| up_the_irons | hahaha | [00:07] |
| ballen | I have... 10 vms running now
or so going to run out of disk space before anything | [00:07] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: let me know when you get to 30 ;) | [00:07] |
| ballen | doesn't touch the CPUs
yea I don't have the disk space at least with my current provisioning I do have like 22 gigs of ram free too | [00:07] |
| up_the_irons | dbgi: i'm not gonna set your rdns up w/ RFC 2317, like the FAQ says, I want to try the "regular" class C style; meaning, you don't have to change much on your side
ballen: you must give 'em a lot of disk | [00:08] |
| ballen | yea using local SAS drives
in RAID 5 only had 1.4T my devs do bio work, so they VMs need a retarded amount of space | [00:08] |
| dbgi | up_the_irons ok cool thanks man | [00:09] |
| ballen | best $7k we spent though
dropped 5 servers so far in my env and put them on this box | [00:09] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: nice | [00:11] |
| ballen | if you ever need to p2v a FreeBSD, let me know ;-)
FreeBSD box* | [00:12] |
| dbgi | up_the_irons im learning this while im doing it, so easier is better, i appreciate it | [00:12] |
| ballen | ugh... classless reverse dns deligation... | [00:12] |
| dbgi | though im not sure what you mean by class c style | [00:12] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: p2v?:) | [00:14] |
| ballen | physical to virtual
moving a metal install to a vm | [00:14] |
| up_the_irons | ah gotcha
i've done plenty of those, not w/ freebsd though | [00:16] |
| ballen | dump and restore work surprisingly well for it
just boot with a FreeBSD 8 "live" cd and put into the cd fixit env s/put/boot ftp over the dump file partition, etc restore make sure fstab works for the new env make sure rc.conf is fixed for the new env good to go also if you have a custom kernel... install the generic one before doing the dump | [00:17] |
| up_the_irons | dbgi: what are the IP(s) / hostnames of your DNS servers?
ballen: yeah, sounds similar to how i p2v'd linux boxes | [00:20] |
| ballen | damnit to freaking hell Ferret doesn't compile on OS X | [00:21] |
| dbgi | 206.125.172.78 up_the_irons | [00:21] |
| up_the_irons | dbgi: ok | [00:22] |
| dbgi | my friend coil in here is helping me, hes knows freebsd really well and admin sum servers, and had done dns, just never from a vps with ips owned by a company like this
so its kinda a learning experiance for us both | [00:23] |
| up_the_irons | non RFC 2317 sub-class C delegation is new to me too ;)
but recently i've read -- http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/avoid-rfc-2317-delegation-example-1.html#SuperdomainBIND dbgi: is your bind running now? | [00:32] |
| dbgi | up_the_irons yes its running now | [00:34] |
| up_the_irons | ok | [00:35] |
| ballen | omg, thats so much better
rfc-2317 is hell | [00:36] |
| up_the_irons | rfc 2317 is easy, be a man
;) | [00:36] |
| ballen | hah | [00:36] |
| up_the_irons | i've set it up for countless of people and it wasn't that hard..
i actually having trouble getting his example working | [00:36] |
| ballen | its just urgly
ugly* | [00:37] |
| up_the_irons | dbgi: can i log into your VM and look at your dns setup? | [00:42] |
| dbgi | yes sure | [00:43] |
| up_the_irons | ok
dbgi: hah, you did an RFC 2317 "style" setup ;) 64/28.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa wrong zone name | [00:44] |
| dbgi | my friend coil did it
hes been helping cause i dont know much about it whats wrong with it up_the_irons? can u fix it by any chance? | [00:45] |
| up_the_irons | dbgi: workin on it | [00:47] |
| dbgi | thank you so much | [00:47] |
| ballen | why are there so many search engines written in java... | [00:49] |
| up_the_irons | dbgi: resolver was only listening on localhost; fixing... | [00:49] |
| dbgi | whats wrong with java?
oh ok | [00:49] |
| ballen | it means I need to install JVM... and thats not happening on FreeBSD | [00:50] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: why are the Hive guys trying to abstract the integer? which is already an object in Java. and Object of an Object | [00:50] |
| i don't get why there is that 'a.ns.*' glue record in the bind example
why don't i straight "NS" it to the downstream | [00:55] | |
| dbgi | coil
thats fine to me | [00:56] |
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| dbgi | there coil is
scoil | [00:56] |
| scoil | hi | [00:56] |
| dbgi | [03:56] <@up_the_irons> i don't get why there is that 'a.ns.*' glue record in the bind example
[03:56] <@up_the_irons> why don't i straight "NS" it to the downstream | [00:56] |
| scoil | yea idk either | [00:57] |
| dbgi | i know very little about bind, coil knows it pretty well | [00:57] |
| scoil | i wouldn't say i know it pretty well | [00:57] |
| dbgi | o ok'
better then me then | [00:57] |
| up_the_irons | scoil: dbgi: i think i have it almost working | [00:58] |
| dbgi | you know, no other place could u get help like this from the people who work and run the company
sweet up_the_irons, thats awesome | [00:58] |
| scoil | yeah never seen this before
we both appreciate it very much | [00:59] |
| up_the_irons | hehe, no problem | [01:00] |
| dbgi | seriously though, its awesome | [01:00] |
| up_the_irons | I aim to please | [01:01] |
| scoil | just what are you doing
so i'll know | [01:01] |
| dbgi | dbgi is a customer for life i think | [01:01] |
| up_the_irons | scoil: i'll let u know once i'm done | [01:02] |
| dig: couldn't get address for 'a.ns.71.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa': not found
ugh | [01:08] | |
| i am hating bind right now... | [01:18] | |
| dbgi | sorry man | [01:18] |
| ballen | up_the_irons: should use djbdns ;-) | [01:18] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: i've been meaning to switch for a long time, just too many projects... | [01:19] |
| ballen | ballen was very much kidding | [01:19] |
| up_the_irons | dbgi: not your fault; i'm trying a different delegation scheme here, that should be easier for customers in the future, so it is worth the time spent
ballen: well, getting away from bind would be nice. i want to switch resolution to "unbound" and delegation to "nsd" | [01:19] |
| dbgi | kk
if i dall asleep im really sorry ill read up in here if i do | [01:20] |
| ballen | up_the_irons: ever hear of http://xapian.org/
another search engine with a ruby lib here: http://github.com/ryanb/xapit | [01:22] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: sounds familiar
dbgi: no problem, don't wait up ;) | [01:25] |
| dbgi | you sure?
ill read up in here when i get up ok my eyes are all blurry and really, thanks you soooooooooooooooooo much for the help, i really appreciate it | [01:25] |
| ballen | up_the_irons: it powers gmane.org's search | [01:27] |
| up_the_irons | dbgi: no problem, get some rest :)
ballen: ah, nice | [01:27] |
| dbgi | thanks, gnight all | [01:28] |
| up_the_irons | l8r
alright.. for the record, i can't get that dude's instructions to work; switching back to regular RFC 2317, which has never been a problem in the past | [01:31] |
| ballen | mmk
also for the record... I'm fairly sure there's no way to do fuzzy logic search with a key/value db that doesn't involve load the entire contents of a set into memory first the only workable model I could come up with is storing permutations of the data and do normal include? on the set | [01:38] |
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| up_the_irons | dbgi: i *think* your rdns is working; i dunno why I had so much trouble with this one after I put it back to RFC 2317... maybe things are cached somewhere, you had a long TTL. I'm just gonna leave it alone for now; see the changes I did to /etc/namedb | [02:13] |
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Nat_UB has quit IRC (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) Nat_UB has joined #arpnetworks | [03:00] |
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| Thorgrimr | Moanin | [04:59] |
| obsidieth | elo | [04:59] |
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| up_the_irons | morn' | [05:21] |
| Thorgrimr | Hey up_the_irons
Can I run dns for ipv6 on an ipv4-only host? | [05:26] |
| up_the_irons | yeah but why would you want to? | [05:29] |
| Thorgrimr | I'd like to run reverses etc for my stuff, but our primary dns boxes are ipv4
Either that, or I need to add another IP to this box to satisfy the two dns requirement | [05:30] |
| up_the_irons | you can do it, there's no technical reason you can't | [05:31] |
| Thorgrimr | Alright, thanks | [05:33] |
| up_the_irons | np | [05:33] |
| Thorgrimr | Have you got sample reverse zone files up anywhere (for v6)? | [05:35] |
| Nat_UB | http://www.isi.edu/~bmanning/v6DNS.html#named.conf | [05:39] |
| Thorgrimr | Yeah, but I thought ip6.int was deprecated over ip6.arpa? | [05:41] |
| up_the_irons | i use ip6.arpa | [05:43] |
| Thorgrimr | And we are assigned /64s? Or /48s? | [05:43] |
| up_the_irons | /48 | [05:49] |
| Thorgrimr | Okay, got a few too many 0's in my config | [05:51] |
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| Well howbout that crap... use the right prefix length in the reverse zone and it actually starts responding :) | [06:08] | |
| mike-burns | Much as I like Sinatra's minimalism, it doesn't give you anything. If I built my own Tender I'd use Rails and Searchlogic. Maybe throw some freetext search engine at it if I discovered a perf problem.
And if I wanted to host my own blog I'd just use Wordpress. But that's me; I'm lazy. | [06:22] |
| up_the_irons | if anyone is interested in KVM and OpenBSD: http://scie.nti.st/2009/10/4/running-openbsd-4-5-in-kvm-on-ubuntu-linux-9-04
hot of the presses *off | [06:25] |
| Thorgrimr | cool | [06:25] |
| up_the_irons | cd $bed | [06:26] |
| Thorgrimr | g'night | [06:30] |
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| BeBoo_ | O.o | [08:17] |
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| scoil | 11:46 Host 66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa not found: 2(SERVFAIL)a
that's from my isp's dns but i see it works from the vps | [09:17] |
| *** | ballen|away is now known as ballen | [09:23] |
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| ballen | up_the_irons: .... did you sleep last night? | [09:40] |
| mike-burns | up_the_irons doesn't sleep; he waits. | [09:41] |
| ballen | scoil: did you try resolving that reverse pointing your client at arp's DNS server
would be a good troubleshooting step | [09:42] |
| scoil | no i havent | [09:43] |
| jeev | myfet.us
? heh | [09:43] |
| scoil | yea | [09:43] |
| ballen | jeev: wierd | [09:43] |
| jeev | what
scoil, check how much longer it's cached for | [09:43] |
| scoil | 3600 | [09:44] |
| jeev | yea it doesn't work on my arp box either | [09:46] |
| ballen | scoil what is the IP of you VPS
your* | [09:46] |
| jeev | ballen, probably 206.125.172.66
;) | [09:46] |
| ballen | jeev: just checking | [09:46] |
| scoil | well thats one of them
the ns is 206.125.172.78 Using domain server: Name: 206.125.172.78 Address: 206.125.172.78#53 Aliases: Host 66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa not found: 5(REFUSED) oh | [09:46] |
| ballen | so I be able to query it scoil?
directly should* | [09:47] |
| jeev | nslookup 206.125.172.66
;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 208.79.88.7, trying next server ;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 208.79.88.7, trying next server ** server can't find 66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa: SERVFAIL | [09:47] |
| ballen | > server 206.125.172.78
Default server: 206.125.172.78 Address: 206.125.172.78#53 > 206.125.172.78 Server: 206.125.172.78 Address: 206.125.172.78#53 ** server can't find 78.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa: REFUSED | [09:48] |
| scoil | 66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa is an alias for 66.64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa.
66.64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer myfet.us. so what does this mean refused | [09:48] |
| ballen | means your BIND server refuses to serve it
could be a few things make sure theres no ACL's etc can you query other domains on it remotely | [09:50] |
| scoil | Using domain server:
Name: 206.125.172.78 Address: 206.125.172.78#53 Aliases: Host google.com.cfl.rr.com not found: 5(REFUSED) | [09:50] |
| jeev | scoil, it still says 3600 ? | [09:50] |
| scoil | lol wtf google.com.cfl.rr.com
i asked for google.com not google.com.cfl.rr.com | [09:51] |
| jeev | heh | [09:51] |
| ballen | scoil: your local dns prefix | [09:51] |
| scoil | jeev: iidk how do i check | [09:51] |
| ballen | query for google.com.
note the ending . | [09:51] |
| scoil | Using domain server:
Name: 206.125.172.78 Address: 206.125.172.78#53 Aliases: Host google.com not found: 5(REFUSED) | [09:52] |
| Thorgrimr | Sounds like recursion is disabled | [09:52] |
| ballen | yea basically BIND won't do recursive lookups for you
which is good for this type of server whats the zone entry for the reverse zone | [09:52] |
| scoil | zone "64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "/etc/namedb/206.125.172.64-79.rev"; }; | [09:54] |
| ballen | reload named and check the log file any errors | [09:55] |
| scoil | rndc: neither /etc/namedb/rndc.conf nor /etc/namedb/rndc.key was found | [09:56] |
| ballen | using freebsd?
/etc/rc.d/named restart | [09:56] |
| scoil | yeah fbsd
no errors | [09:57] |
| ballen | on the local machine can you query for the IP? | [09:59] |
| scoil | using its self for the dns yes
not arp's dns | [09:59] |
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| coil_ | but it resolves? | [10:00] |
| ballen | then it sounds like its not the zone file, but an issue with how named is serving the zone | [10:00] |
| *** | coil_ is now known as Guest89298 | [10:00] |
| Guest89298 | but its working? | [10:02] |
| ballen | well your local dns resvolves locally... so the zone file locally works fine | [10:02] |
| Guest89298 | well i'm just confused with what freenode is doing | [10:02] |
| ballen | by chance could you paste your named.conf into a pastie | [10:03] |
| Guest89298 | how come freenode was able to resolve it
yeah let me load up pastebin | [10:03] |
| ballen | hmm
that is interesting | [10:03] |
| *** | Guest89298 is now known as scort
scort has quit IRC (Client Quit) | [10:04] |
| jeev | mephisto looks good | [10:05] |
| ballen | yea its decent, has had a history of long terms of inactivity though | [10:06] |
| jeev | ahh | [10:06] |
| scoil | http://pastebin.com/m3a370f22 | [10:06] |
| ballen | theres also Feather that uses Merb | [10:06] |
| jeev | ballen, the one you told me.. requires a server and stuff man
i dont want to get into things where i need to make sure another db is running in the background it's too much | [10:07] |
| ballen | scoil: 68.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa. 3537 IN CNAME 68.64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa.
so the CNAME is showing up nvm, thats just upsteam i.e. Arp's NS server which is a good thing, but doesn't help | [10:15] |
| jeev | grrrrrrrrrr
i want to set up my blog what do i do i already got the tagline for it ahmadinejad.org, calm down -- it's just a domain name. | [10:19] |
| coil | lol | [10:19] |
| jeev | wonder if up_the_irons has tried VIA from starbucks
if it's anything like the chipset, it'll fail i tried it | [10:24] |
| ballen | scoil: add allow-query { any; }; to options section at the top of named.conf and restart named
also for good measure use /etc/rc.d/named forcerestart | [10:25] |
| coil | ok
named not running? (check /var/run/named/pid). wrote key file "/var/named/etc/namedb/rndc.key" Starting named. | [10:28] |
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| coil_ | hey it resolves | [10:31] |
| *** | coil_ is now known as Guest77531 | [10:31] |
| coil | oh only on freenode | [10:33] |
| jeev | god named is gay
;D | [10:33] |
| ballen | it doesn't appear to, to me
ballen is confused jeev: it really is | [10:34] |
| jeev | works for me from other servers
what really is | [10:34] |
| ballen | named | [10:35] |
| jeev | ahh yea | [10:35] |
| ballen | coil: well with that option in there you should also have: recursion no;
and allow-query-cache { none; }; | [10:35] |
| coil | ok | [10:36] |
| ballen | so people can't use your named server to lookup anytihng but your domains | [10:36] |
| jeev | eh
you could enable that i use djbdns :) | [10:36] |
| ballen | coil: alright thats all I got so far. I need some breakfast and coffee | [10:37] |
| jeev | tinydns foR LiFe | [10:37] |
| ballen | jeev: you would | [10:37] |
| coil | ok
i enabled those or added the options | [10:37] |
| jeev | eh | [10:38] |
| ballen | coil: is this a /28 | [10:41] |
| coil | yes | [10:41] |
| ballen | starting at .64? | [10:41] |
| coil | yea | [10:42] |
| ballen | change your zone entry to: zone "64-28.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa" {
and make sure you zone file matches | [10:42] |
| coil | do i have to change the serial | [10:43] |
| ballen | meh
not for now | [10:43] |
| coil | so 206.125.172.64-79.rev would be 206.125.172.28-64.rev? | [10:45] |
| ballen | you don't need to change the filename
this probably is equivalent to what was there, but worth a shot | [10:45] |
| coil | ohhh | [10:47] |
| ballen | note: its zone "64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa"
err 64-28 i.e. 64/28 | [10:47] |
| coil | yeah got you | [10:47] |
| ballen | k, I'll be back in a bit | [10:48] |
| jeev | http://www.simpledns.com/lookup-dg.aspx
go there trace it | [10:49] |
| ballen | let me know if it works | [10:49] |
| jeev | i used to have the way to do it from command line
i forgot | [10:49] |
| ballen | jeev: yea deligation is working correctly in this case | [10:50] |
| *** | ballen is now known as ballen|away | [10:50] |
| coil | -> Authority: NS-record for 64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa = 206.125.172.78 | [10:50] |
| jeev | it shouldn't continued to trace to his server | [10:50] |
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| coil__ | what about ipv6, do i have to do the same setps with it
get it delegated first? | [10:51] |
| *** | coil__ has left | [10:55] |
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coil_ has joined #arpnetworks coil_ is now known as Guest24065 ballen|away is now known as ballen | [11:12] | |
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| Fudgezilla | Go fuck yourselves | [11:52] |
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ballen is now known as ballen|away | [11:52] |
| jeev | lol | [12:00] |
| *** | ballen|away is now known as ballen | [12:02] |
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| ballen is now known as ballen|away | [14:00] | |
| ...... (idle for 28mn) | ||
| ballen|away is now known as ballen | [14:28] | |
| up_the_irons | scoil: coil Guest24065 ballen: I wouldn't change the zone name, it must match what I have in mine: http://pastie.org/private/k4jlwvgr6gxp32tv5s5sg
IPv6 is also delegated (just did that now) IPv6 is way easier 0.0.2.4 IN NS 206.125.172.78. | [14:33] |
| ballen | yea like I told him they're pretty much equivalent | [14:33] |
| up_the_irons | that's all there is to it | [14:33] |
| ballen | his server is refusing a query
directly to it | [14:34] |
| up_the_irons | mm.. indeed
although i thought i saw that working last night (it was refusing) dig @206.125.172.78 66.64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa. ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 23321 | [14:35] |
| ballen | out of zone, or named not allowing queries | [14:36] |
| up_the_irons | yeah | [14:36] |
| coil | ok so change it back?
change the zone? | [14:37] |
| 64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa | [14:44] | |
| up_the_irons | the zone name *must* match what I have in my DNS: 64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa
gtg, bbl | [14:50] |
| jeev | up
damnit | [14:57] |
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| jeev | did you try VIA from starbucks
like it ? | [14:57] |
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| coil | ok i changed it
and i'm getting refused to myself now Host 66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa not found: 5(REFUSED) that's from the vps | [14:58] |
| jeev | paste
config to pastebin | [14:59] |
| coil | http://pastebin.com/m55602bd9 | [15:00] |
| jeev | the .rev file contents | [15:00] |
| coil | http://pastebin.com/m187967b1 | [15:01] |
| jeev | ive never seen reverse delegated with cname | [15:01] |
| coil | it's something he wanted to try | [15:01] |
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| *** | ballen is now known as ballen|away
ballen|away is now known as ballen | [15:16] |
| ballen | jeev: thats std regarding the RFC | [15:19] |
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| ballen|away is now known as ballen | [16:06] | |
| jeev | never seen it | [16:12] |
| coil | oh
apparently the .rev file had a syntax error in it | [16:14] |
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| jeev | why didn't i notice that
hmm | [16:16] |
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coil_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) coil_ has joined #arpnetworks | [16:16] |
| coil_ | wtf | [16:17] |
| jeev | coil, it'll take some time for the cache to expire probably | [16:17] |
| *** | coil_ is now known as Guest27384 | [16:17] |
| jeev | dns isn't instant | [16:17] |
| Guest27384 | yeah i'm using the round robbin
so i guess i'm just getting the same server over and over | [16:17] |
| jeev | well if you're using round robin
you likely have it in YOUR cache clear your cache and try the roundrobin again or try kubrick.freenode.net or anthony.freenode.net they're LA and OC | [16:17] |
| coil | idk how to clear it in fbsd | [16:18] |
| jeev | just try to /server kubrick.freenode.net, i dont either.. i use my own dnscache from djbdns
and clear it by taking it down and up | [16:18] |
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Guest27384 has quit IRC (Client Quit) coil__ has quit IRC (Client Quit) coil_ has joined #arpnetworks | [16:18] |
| coil_ | :D
well i'm satified | [16:20] |
| *** | coil_ is now known as Guest98745 | [16:20] |
| jeev | what server worked | [16:20] |
| Guest98745 | well i tried a different host
i'm on brown | [16:22] |
| dbgi | coil
Guest98745 | [16:23] |
| Guest98745 | sup dbgi | [16:24] |
| dbgi | is it going well? | [16:24] |
| Guest98745 | yes
it works working on ipv6 now | [16:25] |
| dbgi | SWEET
sweet | [16:27] |
| Guest98745 | go a head and think of some hosts | [16:27] |
| dbgi | ok | [16:27] |
| Guest98745 | http://freedns.afraid.org/domain/registry/
search in there and come up with some sub domains | [16:27] |
| dbgi | ok | [16:28] |
| .... (idle for 16mn) | ||
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| obsidieth | servfail. | [17:12] |
| coil | its suppost to
unless it broke | [17:13] |
| obsidieth | whats an ip to dig
or host. i wont have any cached, we'll fin dout | [17:14] |
| coil | 206.125.172.66 is the only one with an entry
it should be myfet.us | [17:14] |
| obsidieth | 17:15:57 Host 66.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa not found: 2(SERVFAIL) | [17:16] |
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| coil | obsidieth idk
it was working and named is still running | [17:18] |
| jeev | i think you've destroyed every single cache on earth | [17:18] |
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| coil_ | see it's working | [17:18] |
| toddf | time to look to the stars | [17:18] |
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coil_ is now known as Guest58201 | [17:19] |
| coil__ | its working
obsidieth: | [17:19] |
| ballen | holy hell it works
what'd you do to fix it | [17:20] |
| coil | #
64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa. IN SOA 206.125.172.78. # coil.scoil.info. ( that needed to be on the same line and it fixed it | [17:21] |
| ballen | ah | [17:21] |
| jeev | ballen, im waiting for youto try to cinvince me to use that blogging software | [17:22] |
| ballen | meh | [17:22] |
| obsidieth | idk | [17:22] |
| ballen | use whatever you want | [17:22] |
| jeev | i'm looking for encouraging words | [17:22] |
| coil__ | lets try ipv6 | [17:22] |
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| coil_ | hmm | [17:23] |
| obsidieth | [o@venom:~] host coil.scoil.info
Host coil.scoil.info not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) [o@venom:~] host 206.125.172.78 Host 78.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa not found: 2(SERVFAIL) | [17:23] |
| *** | coil_ is now known as Guest5032 | [17:23] |
| Guest5032 | well coil.scoil isn't a host | [17:23] |
| ballen | coil.scoil.info doesn't resolve | [17:23] |
| Guest5032 | that's my email | [17:23] |
| obsidieth | .66 ets a servfail | [17:25] |
| Guest5032 | ur a serv fail | [17:25] |
| ballen | dig -x @206.125.172.78 206.125.172.78
; <<>> DiG 9.6.0-APPLE-P2 <<>> -x @206.125.172.78 206.125.172.78 ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 58332 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;78.172.125.@206.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR | [17:25] |
| Guest5032 | ? | [17:26] |
| ballen | ballen shrugs | [17:26] |
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| scort | if i was to install pf, would there be anything special i need for the vps
like i know i have to recompile the kernel, but i dont have to enable any specia devices or anything, right? | [20:03] |
| ballen | nah
fyi, allow ICMP from up_the_irons monitoring server | [20:04] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: you can't dig with "-x" directly on his resolver b/c he doesn't have the entire class C. this is what works: | [20:04] |
| ballen | no idea what that IP is though | [20:04] |
| up_the_irons | dig @206.125.172.78 66.64-79.172.125.206.in-addr.arpa ptr | [20:04] |
| ballen | up_the_irons: ah | [20:05] |
| up_the_irons | scort: ballen: allow icmp for 208.79.88.56 | [20:05] |
| scort | dns isn't working on about half the irc servers i've tried | [20:05] |
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| up_the_irons | scort: keep the serial port in the kernel if you want out-of-band w/o VNC | [20:05] |
| coil_ | it works on freenode fine | [20:05] |
| *** | coil_ is now known as Guest90705 | [20:05] |
| scort | ok | [20:06] |
| up_the_irons | scort: Guest90705: i think you guys destroyed every cache on earth, like jeev said ;) | [20:06] |
| scort | lol | [20:06] |
| up_the_irons | you should reduce the TTL to 5 minutes | [20:06] |
| scort | ok | [20:06] |
| up_the_irons | until you have everything worked out | [20:06] |
| scort | so thats...
$calc(5*60) er 300 | [20:07] |
| up_the_irons | 300, yes | [20:07] |
| ballen | ballen hates proofing papers | [20:08] |
| up_the_irons | jeev: and no, i haven't tried VIA yet; i'm against individually plastic wrapped products (produces a crap ton of waste) | [20:09] |
| ballen | isn't VIA instant coffe? | [20:09] |
| up_the_irons | yup | [20:09] |
| ballen | ew
I'll stick to my espresso | [20:09] |
| up_the_irons | if i make my own coffee, it is french pressed
there is nothing better than pressed coffee, compared to drip you waste nothing (no filter), and it is 10x stronger | [20:10] |
| ballen | yea I do up the french press as well
but have been making primarly espresso for the last month or so | [20:11] |
| up_the_irons | cool | [20:13] |
| Guest90705 | lets see if ipv6 works | [20:13] |
| ballen | waiting till I get a new job before I drop 1k+ on a new espresso machine and grinder | [20:13] |
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| scort | blah | [20:14] |
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| ballen | woot proof reading done... not to ensure LaTex didn't muck my figures up | [21:14] |
| jeev | oh ballen
you try VIA from starbucks ? up_the_irons, servers come in plastic | [21:14] |
| ballen | closest starbucks is like 30 minutes away
I make my own coffee | [21:15] |
| jeev | oh | [21:15] |
| ballen | not a fan of instant coffee | [21:15] |
| jeev | yea i guess
i like all kind as long as i can make it sweet | [21:15] |
| ballen | thats what she said | [21:15] |
| jeev | heh
nasty shit | [21:16] |
| ballen | Drinking: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/287/38146
quite strong | [21:17] |
| BeBoo_ | coffee is nasty | [21:17] |
| ballen | BeBoo_: blasphemy | [21:17] |
| BeBoo_ | ballen: tea ftw kthx | [21:17] |
| ballen | tea is good | [21:17] |
| BeBoo_ | speaking of which... | [21:17] |
| jeev | did anyone see Year One ? | [21:17] |
| BeBoo_ | i should make some | [21:17] |
| ballen | but coffee... isss better | [21:17] |
| BeBoo_ | coffee causes kidney stones
you have fun with that lol | [21:18] |
| ballen | since when? | [21:20] |
| BeBoo_ | caffeine
However, in a latest survey maintain that kidney function is influenced by too much coffee or caffeine intake. It could lead to some problems for example diuresis, detrusor instability and kidney stones. Caffeine intake has to be controlled or it can cause the painful medical situation of kidney stones. In a current examination, participants with a history of kidney stones were provided a dosage of caffeine equal to that found in two cups of coffee. | [21:27] |
| ballen | well I'm boned | [21:29] |
| dj_goku | Hi. | [21:29] |
| BeBoo_ | HI. | [21:29] |
| dj_goku | I think I broke my vps :( | [21:29] |
| BeBoo_ | BeBoo_ hands you a tissue | [21:30] |
| visinin | how did you break it? | [21:30] |
| dj_goku | I rebooted it, but it hasn't came back up. | [21:30] |
| BeBoo_ | dj_goku: connect to the vnc console
It is recommended that people prone to kidney stones ought to control their intake of coffee to less than two cups or 16 ounces per day. Caffeine is discovered in other beverages such as soda which have to be limited to amount alike as well. | [21:30] |
| dj_goku | BeBoo_: Sorry, I read about the vnc console. But have not idea how to connect. | [21:33] |
| BeBoo_ | dj_goku: http://www.tightvnc.com/
download and install enter the ip, port and password given to you you should see your console | [21:34] |
| scort | how does that work | [21:35] |
| BeBoo_ | how does what work? | [21:35] |
| scort | the vnc console
even if you, say..take your network interface down | [21:36] |
| BeBoo_ | still confused on the question.
yes? | [21:36] |
| visinin | scort: it's provided by the hypervisor | [21:36] |
| BeBoo_ | the vnc console is running on the host
not in the vps itself | [21:36] |
| visinin | exactly | [21:37] |
| scort | ahh ok | [21:37] |
| BeBoo_ | you can reboot and see the qemu bios post
i thought that was funny tbh that console access is a godsend... i failed to enable a flag on my filesystems after a kernel rebuild and it went into single-user lol | [21:37] |
| scort | haha
yeah it's very cool | [21:39] |
| BeBoo_ | i'm a linux dork... i used to use freebsd all the time but no one ever offered freebsd vpses... i never saw arp until recently
well, actually teknicaL found them | [21:39] |
| dj_goku | I can't vnc to the IP of my vps. | [21:40] |
| BeBoo_ | its not your vps' IP
you were given an ip, port and password at signup. not sure if it's in the email but it's definately in your portal it's a different IP i assume it's the host's IP | [21:40] |
| dj_goku | crap
dj_goku feels dumb weird. | [21:42] |
| BeBoo_ | ? | [21:43] |
| ballen | portal.arpnetworks.com
login | [21:44] |
| dj_goku | locked up at boot | [21:44] |
| ballen | its shown there | [21:44] |
| dj_goku | well past post. | [21:45] |
| ballen | hmm | [21:45] |
| dj_goku | anyone have a openbsd vps in here? | [21:45] |
| ballen | ctrl-alt-delete?
nah fbsd here | [21:45] |
| dj_goku | its at setting tty flags | [21:45] |
| ballen | up_the_irons: your presence is required | [21:46] |
| BeBoo_ | dj_goku: you'll need to boot into single user most likely to see what's going on | [21:46] |
| dj_goku | ballen: did you compile a amd64 or i386 kernel | [21:46] |
| ballen | using the generic 64 | [21:46] |
| BeBoo_ | i built an amd64 kernel
no problems here | [21:46] |
| dj_goku | same here
how do I boot into single user mode? | [21:46] |
| BeBoo_ | don't know on openbsd
never used it i assume there is a boot menu like freebsd has | [21:47] |
| scort | bah i dont think rdns is working fully | [21:47] |
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| dj_goku | oh, well I know how to, just not sure how to reboot the vps. | [21:48] |
| BeBoo_ | that has the option to boot normally or single user | [21:48] |
| *** | coil_ is now known as Guest35813 | [21:48] |
| BeBoo_ | try ctl-alt-delete inside the vnc window | [21:48] |
| scort | some vnc clients have a "send ctl-alt-del" menu button | [21:48] |
| BeBoo_ | the vnc client may be able to send ctl-alt-delete as well.
check the buttons or menus | [21:48] |
| dj_goku | haha, I can ctrl + C
hehe | [21:48] |
| BeBoo_ | i use a mac so i have a different vnc client | [21:49] |
| dj_goku | BeBoo_: what do you use? | [21:49] |
| scort | dj_goku are you using tightvnc | [21:49] |
| dj_goku | dj_goku has a mac also
no. | [21:49] |
| BeBoo_ | "Chicken of the VNC" | [21:49] |
| dj_goku | aye | [21:49] |
| BeBoo_ | weird name for an app
but i love it nice and fast | [21:49] |
| dj_goku | yah | [21:49] |
| ballen | FYI Chkick blows
Chicken | [21:49] |
| BeBoo_ | :X | [21:49] |
| ballen | JollysFastVNC | [21:49] |
| BeBoo_ | how DARE you | [21:50] |
| ballen | is the new one | [21:50] |
| dj_goku | ballen: am using that currently. | [21:50] |
| ballen | that owns | [21:50] |
| BeBoo_ | pfft
ballen: you have a mac? | [21:50] |
| dj_goku | dj_goku doesn't know what to do. | [21:50] |
| ballen | theres a Sen CTL-ALT-DEL deal in one of the menus | [21:50] |
| visinin | real men telnet into VNC servers, type the commands manually, and draw out the current state of the screen on graph paper | [21:50] |
| ballen | BeBoo: of course | [21:50] |
| BeBoo_ | visinin: lol @ telnet | [21:51] |
| visinin | or netcat if you're into that | [21:51] |
| BeBoo_ | ballen: do you use terminal to ssh or an ssh client? | [21:51] |
| visinin | that's kinky stuff though | [21:51] |
| dj_goku | ballen: openbsd doesn't use CTRL + ALT + DEL | [21:51] |
| ballen | dj_goku: send a email to support@arpnetworks.com
to get attention of Garry | [21:51] |
| visinin | dj_goku: http://www.openbsd101.com/tipstricks.html#tt1 | [21:51] |
| BeBoo_ | or say his nick a few hundred times | [21:51] |
| dj_goku | I seriously don't know what I could of done wrong. | [21:51] |
| BeBoo_ | lol | [21:51] |
| ballen | up_the_irons, up_the_irons, up_the_irons, up_the_irons
up_the_irons up_the_irons up_the_irons up_the_irons up_the_irons up_the_irons | [21:52] |
| BeBoo_ | lol | [21:52] |
| dj_goku | visinin: yeah its in the FAQ on openbsd.org | [21:52] |
| BeBoo_ | BeBoo_ waits for the ban hammer
;x | [21:52] |
| visinin | ah cool | [21:52] |
| BeBoo_ | ballen: do you use terminal to ssh or an ssh client? | [21:52] |
| ballen | naaaah | [21:52] |
| visinin | haven't used openbsd in a while | [21:52] |
| ballen | terminal | [21:52] |
| BeBoo_ | bah | [21:53] |
| dj_goku | visinin: but, its booting the kernel just has stopped. | [21:53] |
| BeBoo_ | i'm looking for an ssh client for the mac | [21:53] |
| ballen | what in the hell is wrong with terminal | [21:53] |
| dj_goku | BeBoo_: terminal is good | [21:53] |
| BeBoo_ | i build putty from source and can run it under x11 but it's slow | [21:53] |
| ballen | you on Leopard or Snow Leopard? | [21:53] |
| BeBoo_ | SL | [21:53] |
| dj_goku | sl | [21:53] |
| ballen | so whats wrong with Term | [21:53] |
| BeBoo_ | only feature i really really want... is sending of keep-alive packets when connected over ssh
my firewall closes idle connections | [21:53] |
| ballen | yea that'd be nice | [21:53] |
| BeBoo_ | =[21:54] <ballen> ssh doesn't have that option | [21:53] |
| ballen | the cmd line | [21:54] |
| BeBoo_ | nope but ssh clients dp
do* sending of NOOP commands i might use putty even tho it's slow =[21:54] <BeBoo_> and i haven't figured out exactly how to use keys using ssh | [21:54] |
| ballen | Beboo_: sshd_config on server add:
KeepAlive yes ClientAliveInterval 60 | [21:54] |
| BeBoo_ | oooo | [21:55] |
| ballen | or quicker if you'd like | [21:55] |
| BeBoo_ | 60 is what i usually set it to | [21:55] |
| ballen | I run into the same problem
fucking Junipers | [21:55] |
| dj_goku | BeBoo_: like authorized_keys? | [21:56] |
| scort | BeBoo_ you gotta download puttygen.exe and make a key
then put that in authorized_keys | [21:56] |
| ballen | Beboo_: also if you don't have sshd_config access
~/.ssh/config ServerAliveInterval 60 | [21:56] |
| dj_goku | config is how I setup multiple key pairs | [21:57] |
| up_the_irons | i'm here, just reading scrollback... | [21:57] |
| ballen | hah, see it worked | [21:58] |
| dj_goku | hehe
up_the_irons: I fubared my VPS. sent you an email. 2 days old and I already broke it. | [21:58] |
| BeBoo_ | i know how to _make_ keys
i don't know how to use them when connecting to a server using ssh in terminal | [21:59] |
| ballen | use them normally
cat id_rsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys id_rsa.pub from the client authorized_keys in the server side if your on a Mac and the key as a password | [22:00] |
| up_the_irons | dj_goku: did you recompiled your kernel? | [22:01] |
| BeBoo_ | ah | [22:01] |
| ballen | ssh-agent will pop up a nifty thing and ask you to add it to your keychain | [22:01] |
| dj_goku | up_the_irons: yes sir.
BeBoo_: Host 10.0.0.1 User dj_goku IdentityFile ~/.ssh/id_rsa add something like that to your ~/.config | [22:01] |
| up_the_irons | dj_goku: LOL, then you need: http://scie.nti.st/2009/10/4/running-openbsd-4-5-in-kvm-on-ubuntu-linux-9-04
i just wrote that yesterday ;) | [22:01] |
| dj_goku | said :(
sad* | [22:01] |
| up_the_irons | dj_goku: your kernel locked up b/c you didn't disable mpbios | [22:02] |
| ballen | hah
brilliant | [22:02] |
| up_the_irons | dj_goku: can you tell me your VM UUID (found within portal) | [22:02] |
| ballen | up_the_irons: wth is eBay4R
nvm | [22:03] |
| dj_goku | up_the_irons: /msg
BeBoo_: then after you add that you can: ssh user@10.0.0.1 BeBoo_: if the cert doesn't work you might add the fqdn/ip after Host | [22:04] |
| BeBoo_ | dj_goku: cool. i'll try it out
i'd rather keys | [22:05] |
| up_the_irons | dj_goku: get out of VNC (it only lets one user connect at a time)
so i can DRIVE | [22:05] |
| dj_goku | done | [22:05] |
| BeBoo_ | :o
watch out... up_the_irons might speed | [22:05] |
| ballen | vrooom | [22:05] |
| dj_goku | hehe | [22:05] |
| BeBoo_ | BeBoo_ gets his cop hat on
oops... sorry i was in ballen's kink box | [22:06] |
| ballen | and again thats what she said | [22:06] |
| BeBoo_ | BeBoo_ gives up_the_irons a speeding ticket | [22:07] |
| up_the_irons | hehe | [22:07] |
| ballen | is that what they call it now | [22:07] |
| up_the_irons | dj_goku: you're back up; i just performed what the blog post i pasted earlier said | [22:09] |
| dj_goku | up_the_irons: cool thx! | [22:09] |
| up_the_irons | dj_goku: if you recompile your kernel again, be sure to "config -ef /bsd", then "disable mpbios" then "quit", before you reboot | [22:10] |
| dj_goku | alright, do you know if this is a problem in 4.6? | [22:10] |
| up_the_irons | probably | [22:10] |
| dj_goku | ok | [22:10] |
| up_the_irons | openbsd 4.5 started doing different things with interrupts
probably made it better and exposed a bug in KVM | [22:10] |
| dj_goku | up_the_irons: how did you fix it so if it doesn't happen again I don't have to bug you.
s/doesn't/does/ | [22:11] |
| up_the_irons | dj_goku: you mean if it hangs at 'setting tty flags' ? | [22:12] |
| dj_goku | yes | [22:12] |
| up_the_irons | try to not get there again by following my instructions ;) | [22:12] |
| dj_goku | or did you just reset it?
I plan too. | [22:12] |
| up_the_irons | dj_goku: right now, there is no way for a customer to hard shutdown their VM (and subsequently start it again)
but I'm working on that feature soon soon soon | [22:12] |
| dj_goku | up_the_irons: no biggie, just didn't want to waste your time is all. | [22:13] |
| up_the_irons | right, i understand
i only waste my own time b/c i haven't given my customers all the tools to help themselves | [22:13] |
| dj_goku | up_the_irons: thanks again! | [22:14] |
| up_the_irons | the goal is to give customers as many tools to let themselves self-serivce their VM, as possible
just not quite there yet :) no problem ok | [22:14] |
| dj_goku | up_the_irons: at first I was compiling for i386 then I was like hrm let me make sure its really i386 | [22:15] |
| up_the_irons | ppl who know me...
know that i must cd $starbucks | [22:15] |
| BeBoo_ | up_the_irons: what language are these tools written in?
or going to be written in | [22:15] |
| ballen | of course you must | [22:15] |
| dj_goku | Perl!! hopefully :D | [22:15] |
| ballen | sudo cd $starbucks | [22:15] |
| BeBoo_ | sudo rm $starbucks | [22:15] |
| ballen | gone? | [22:15] |
| up_the_irons | up_the_irons slaps ballen
"cd" is not a command sudo sh -c "cd $starbucks" is what you'd need | [22:15] |
| ballen | sudo popd $starbucks | [22:16] |
| up_the_irons | be back soon | [22:16] |
| BeBoo_ | bah | [22:16] |
| ballen | sudo rm -rf /*
yay for me, first draft submitted to these committee thesis* | [22:16] |
| dj_goku | hehe just got the vps fixed email :D | [22:18] |
| ballen | hah
http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/10/04/1344259/Seasonal-Flu-Shots-Double-Risk-of-Getting-Swine-Flu-Says-New-Study this is why I'm not getting a flu shot | [22:19] |
| jeev | he
flu shots | [22:20] |
| ballen | fuck shots | [22:20] |
| dj_goku | flu shot is for old/young kids. | [22:20] |
| jeev | just garbage poison to make you sick | [22:20] |
| ballen | agreed
why do I not get this one: http://xkcd.com/645/ | [22:20] |
| dj_goku | because its in color? | [22:23] |
| ballen | meh | [22:23] |
| dj_goku | oh I know why
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_Polish_notation :) | [22:24] |
| ballen | why must it continue to rain...
ewwwww why would you do that | [22:24] |
| jeev | dood
LA went from hell to freezing in a couple days | [22:24] |
| dj_goku | ballen: where are you? | [22:24] |
| ballen | northern michigan | [22:24] |
| dj_goku | lol | [22:25] |
| ballen | home town for a bit | [22:25] |
| dj_goku | at least its not freezing yet? | [22:25] |
| ballen | ys
yes I need to find a new job before winter comes | [22:25] |
| visinin | LA? | [22:25] |
| ballen | and move | [22:25] |
| visinin | what the hell | [22:25] |
| jeev | los angeles | [22:25] |
| visinin | yeah, yeah, I know | [22:25] |
| dj_goku | hehe | [22:25] |
| jeev | liar | [22:26] |
| visinin | for a second there i thought you meant actually freezing | [22:26] |
| ballen | hah | [22:26] |
| visinin | well uh | [22:26] |
| ballen | I think LA is self-insulating | [22:26] |
| visinin | last year, right at the end of summer, they started sticking up "snow route" signs in downtown LA | [22:26] |
| ballen | wtf
why | [22:26] |
| visinin | i remember thinking "no fucking way" | [22:26] |
| jeev | where you live | [22:27] |
| ballen | yea no way in freaking hell | [22:27] |
| visinin | i used to live downtown, 6th and spring
there was one of those signs at 6th and grand | [22:27] |
| ballen | solid use of city funds | [22:27] |
| jeev | ah | [22:28] |
| visinin | now i live in ann arbor, mi | [22:28] |
| ballen | oh this is a sexy project: http://github.com/tjake/Lucandra | [22:28] |
| visinin | i miss LA sometimes | [22:28] |
| ballen | Visinin: what ya upto in Ann Arbor | [22:29] |
| jeev | where you at now
ah | [22:29] |
| visinin | living with some friends, half-assedly trying to find work
finishing old projects that i haven't touched in years | [22:29] |
| ballen | solid
you picked the wrong state to find work | [22:29] |
| visinin | haha
yeaaaah. | [22:29] |
| ballen | Ann Arbor is pretty bad
Flint is worse | [22:30] |
| visinin | i'm thinking of moving back out san francisco-way toward the beginning of 2010
i've heard terrible things about flint | [22:30] |
| ballen | yea its pretty fucked up | [22:30] |
| visinin | i grew up just down 75 in dayton, and it's awful there too | [22:30] |
| ballen | I'm up in Charlevoix
which is north of Traverse City | [22:30] |
| visinin | gotcha
got a friend who lives in TC | [22:31] |
| ballen | right on
crappy place to live | [22:32] |
| visinin | haha | [22:32] |
| ballen | nice in the summer though | [22:32] |
| visinin | yeah
ann arbor's pretty nice, i've stayed here before | [22:32] |
| ballen | fucking technology black hole | [22:32] |
| visinin | after living in LA for a few years, actually having seasons is really nice. | [22:32] |
| ballen | yea I imagine so if you grew up in MI | [22:32] |
| visinin | yeah, i've heard that about a2
the guys i'm staying with are all on IT staff at umich seems to work out alright | [22:33] |
| ballen | yea
yea downstate is decent north of the various cities isn't much wouldn't mind living in grand rapids for a bit but will likely end up on either coast, or TX | [22:33] |
| dj_goku | most in here sysadmins/programmers? | [22:34] |
| ballen | I'm a SA
and programmer I guess | [22:34] |
| visinin | programmer, lazy sysadmin | [22:35] |
| ballen | although I'd hate to be associated with those types ;-)
fucking have to start a new programming project at work tomorrow so lame | [22:35] |
| dj_goku | hehe | [22:36] |
| ballen | redesign a search page
code base is in Perl | [22:36] |
| dj_goku | yay! | [22:36] |
| ballen | ballen wants to kill himself | [22:36] |
| dj_goku | ballen: the Perl part or? | [22:36] |
| ballen | its messy too
yea the webapp is all perl mod_perl not 2 just mod_perl | [22:36] |
| dj_goku | hehe | [22:37] |
| ballen | Apache 1.3
which I don't mind | [22:37] |
| dj_goku | I haven't messed with old web Perl. | [22:37] |
| ballen | 1.3 is solid | [22:37] |
| dj_goku | Only newer stuff. | [22:37] |
| ballen | I hate perl
a lot used to Ruby | [22:37] |
| jeev | i hate having to code anything, i wish i could just think it up and it'd do it | [22:38] |
| dj_goku | hehe | [22:38] |
| ballen | export function from the brain
need a C bridge lib much rather be working on this project: http://unilogiclabs.com feel free to signup, code: arp_networks | [22:38] |
| jeev | what is the benefit to ruby | [22:41] |
| ballen | work in progress as they say
jeev: its clean and very "agile" | [22:41] |
| jeev | is it web based orrrrrrr | [22:41] |
| ballen | its anything based
Rails is a web framework built on Ruby | [22:41] |
| jeev | hmm
how about security wise | [22:42] |
| ballen | Ruby itself is just a language | [22:42] |
| jeev | what are some cool, well known shits out there that run on ti
it | [22:42] |
| nerdd | Ruby is nice | [22:42] |
| ballen | jeev: Twitter | [22:42] |
| jeev | ballen, i said cool
runs fine with apache ? | [22:42] |
| ballen | yes with Passenger | [22:42] |
| jeev | hmm, is it fast?
faster than php | [22:43] |
| ballen | often slower
but php is lame as hell | [22:43] |
| jeev | oh
php is insecure as hell, even if you code securely it'll be insecure soon. if i am serious at learning to code in a language that's for the future which language should i learn | [22:43] |
| dj_goku | jeev: c#? hehe | [22:46] |
| jeev | bah
i can't man i've tried so many times, all i can do is system() lol | [22:46] |
| ballen | yes C# the language of the fuuuuture | [22:47] |
| jeev | i mean like
python or ruby php | [22:47] |
| ballen | phython or ruby | [22:47] |
| dj_goku | probably python more, but. | [22:47] |
| ballen | python*
meh Ruby take your pick | [22:47] |
| dj_goku | jeev: what ever you like the best. | [22:48] |
| ballen | if you want a more C like lang, checkout Scala | [22:48] |
| jeev | i dont know the benefits of them | [22:48] |
| ballen | jeev: who cares just pick the one thats easier for your to program in | [22:49] |
| dj_goku | they are mostly all fundamentally the same, just syntax/semantics are different | [22:49] |
| jeev | hmm | [22:49] |
| up_the_irons | BeBoo_: the serial-over-SSH feature is conserver (http://www.conserver.com/), start/stop VM and tunneling VNC over SSH is mostly written in shell with some batch scripts in Ruby | [22:50] |
| Guest35813 | 10:51PM up 1 day, 2:59, 5 users, load averages: 1.52, 1.22, 0.75 | [22:50] |
| dj_goku | up_the_irons: if you need testers when you implement it I wouldn't mind :) | [22:50] |
| up_the_irons | oh that RPS sausage is great
visinin: sounds like u used to live right next to the major data centers in LA dj_goku: i do, email me your SSH pub key and I'll let you have access (now) serial-over-IP already works, I use it myself | [22:50] |
| dj_goku | alright
up_the_irons: support or? | [22:55] |
| nerdd | jeev: The language that stands out the most of the mentioned ones is probably Scala since it's somewhat functional, built for the JVM and it has some libs that makes concurrent programming easier | [22:55] |
| jeev | ahh | [22:55] |
| dj_goku | up_the_irons: support@ or? | [22:55] |
| up_the_irons | dj_goku: sure | [22:55] |
| jeev | nerdd, i've said it a lot before, i lack the ability to focus
so i need something that's simple that'll keep me interested | [22:55] |
| dj_goku | up_the_irons: sent | [22:56] |
| ballen | Scala is more complicated than Ruby or Python
as its closer to Java | [22:56] |
| dj_goku | jeev: basic? | [22:57] |
| jeev | heh | [22:57] |
| dj_goku | jeev: what are you wanting to write/produce? | [22:58] |
| nerdd | Are there any web frameworks built in Basic? And how would you google them? | [22:58] |
| ballen | hah | [22:58] |
| jeev | some web stuff
database for data entry save to pdf use sql.. | [22:58] |
| nerdd | jeev: Pick Rails | [22:59] |
| jeev | i guess i'll look at examples | [23:00] |
| ballen | Rails is sooo bloated though | [23:00] |
| jeev | ahh | [23:00] |
| ballen | whats a Django app take in memory | [23:00] |
| nerdd | Yeah, but Rails is easy, and you'll learn Ruby.. After Ruby you don't want to go back to say.. Java | [23:02] |
| jeev | never done java | [23:02] |
| dj_goku | up_the_irons: I guess email me or tell me what I need to do to get going. I am going afk. | [23:02] |
| up_the_irons | dj_goku: sure, will do | [23:02] |
| dj_goku | I didn't like the one java class I took.
I mostly write perl/c++. | [23:02] |
| nerdd | I was happy doing java until I got a Rails assignment.. Then I got fired, did Rails full time for fun, and now I'm back in the java world - only reason I'm doing Java again is because I get paid for it. | [23:05] |
| dj_goku | jeev: have you looked into any webish languages yet? | [23:06] |
| jeev | nope
brb | [23:07] |
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| up_the_irons | jeev: ya know what's funny, i got a Dell 5324 (I broke down, yeah, but I'm gonna see if I like it; for $140 i'm not gonna complain), and then I noticed that is the exact model you recommended me to get a while ago
up_the_irons is looking at old irc logs | [23:19] |
| Guest35813 | does that mean your bored? | [23:20] |
| up_the_irons | no, i was actually trying to see how well google indexes it (not very well) | [23:21] |
| Guest35813 | oh
logs from how long ago? lol | [23:22] |
| *** | teknicaL has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | [23:29] |
| up_the_irons | Guest35813: like, 9-3-09 | [23:30] |
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ballen is now known as ballen|away | [23:31] |
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| coil_ | weird
dns works again lets see for how long.... | [23:47] |
| *** | coil_ is now known as Guest56184
Guest24826 has joined #arpnetworks | [23:47] |
| Guest56184 | 11:47PM up 1 day, 3:56, 5 users, load averages: 1.29, 1.34, 1.37 | [23:47] |
| jeev | up
up_the_irons, that switch is elite | [23:52] |
| up_the_irons | Guest56184: you should see if your irc client can stop renaming you to "GuestXYZ" all the time ;) | [23:52] |
| jeev | up_the_irons, freenode does that
if you dont verify the password with nickserv | [23:52] |
| up_the_irons | oh
why never did that to me | [23:52] |
| jeev | sign on with another client
and dont verify the password | [23:53] |
| up_the_irons | i c | [23:53] |
| jeev | it'll give you like 120 sec to enter pw | [23:53] |
| up_the_irons | jeev: i hope i can find the right console cable for that switch, b/c I don't think the one i ordered comes with one | [23:53] |
| Guest56184 | yeah i set that option jeev
i'm just too lazy to identify | [23:53] |
| up_the_irons | heh | [23:54] |
| jeev | up_the_irons, generic serial cable. | [23:54] |
| Guest56184 | and too lazy to login to my bnc on coil | [23:54] |
| up_the_irons | jeev: cool, i have one of those... | [23:54] |
| Guest56184 | its only for testing purposes
since once i login to my nick, i get cloaked | [23:54] |
| jeev | my little cousin has me farming his shit on farmville
i hate facebook these little girls keep asking for help with their farm | [23:54] |
| Guest56184 | makes troubleshooting dns issues hard | [23:54] |
| jeev | and i keep ignoring them | [23:54] |
| up_the_irons | what the shit is farmville
wait, i don't wanna know | [23:56] |
| visinin | bahaha | [23:56] |
| Guest56184 | a waste of time
stupid fucking facebook apps | [23:57] |
| jeev | yea
facebook is gay | [23:58] |
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