[00:01] <ballen> nice
[00:01] <ballen> yea when we testin those suckers out
[00:02] <up_the_irons> dbgi: if it works
[00:03] <dbgi> kk
[00:27] <up_the_irons> am i srsly this retarded..  why can't I make single quote (') become an escaped single quote (\')
[00:27] <up_the_irons> irb(main):019:0> "foo's".tr("'", "\'")
[00:27] <up_the_irons> => "foo's"
[00:27] <up_the_irons> irb(main):020:0> "foo's".tr("'", "\\'")
[00:27] <up_the_irons> => "foo's"
[00:27] <up_the_irons> irb(main):021:0> "foo's".tr("'", "\\\'")
[00:27] <up_the_irons> => "foo's"
[00:27] <up_the_irons> irb(main):022:0> "foo's".tr("'", "\\\\'")
[00:27] <up_the_irons> => "foo\\s"
[00:27] <up_the_irons> irb(main):023:0> "foo's".tr("'", "\\\\\'")
[00:27] <up_the_irons> => "foo\\s"
[00:30] <ballen> "'".tr("'", "\'")
[00:30] <ballen> should be fine
[00:30] <ballen> your first one
[00:30] <ballen> irb doesn't show char's escaped
[00:30] <up_the_irons> oh
[00:30] <ballen> it just shows them
[00:30] * up_the_irons boggles
[00:31] <ballen> irb(main):006:0> '\''
[00:31] <ballen> => "'"
[00:31] <up_the_irons> lol
[00:32] <up_the_irons> well, it doesn't show it in my output either (in my Rails view); so guess i gotta find another way, or say f*ck it
[00:32] <up_the_irons> it's not so important if it is gonna be this whiny about it
[00:32] <ballen> why does it need to escaped?
[00:32] <up_the_irons> b/c I want:
[00:32] <up_the_irons> 'Garry's Company' -> 'Garry\'s Company'
[00:32] <up_the_irons> so I can copy & paste onto command line
[00:33] <up_the_irons> but I could just double quote it
[00:33] <up_the_irons> and be done with it
[00:34] <ballen> that is very silly
[00:35] <up_the_irons> until you've had to type the same thing 50 times
[00:35] <up_the_irons> but with different names
[00:35] <ballen> yea one sec I'll figure ito ut
[00:36] <up_the_irons> it's not all that important really, cuz I can double quote it and be on my way
[00:37] <ballen> mmk
[00:40] <ballen> hah: "foo's".sub(/(\')/,'\\ \1').tr(" ", "")
[00:40] <ballen> sub and tr won't do it
[00:40] <ballen> alone
[00:41] <up_the_irons> omfg
[00:42] <ballen> and if you take that space out
[00:42] <ballen> in the sub
[00:42] <ballen> the \1 turns into a literal 1
[00:42] <ballen> for whatever fucking reason
[00:43] <ballen> do something like: "foo's".sub(/(\')/,'\\#\1').tr("#", "")
[00:43] <ballen> so you can not remove spaces
[00:44] <up_the_irons> that's insane
[00:45] <ballen> heh
[00:49] <up_the_irons> f*ck
[00:49] <up_the_irons> F*CK
[00:49] <up_the_irons> i guess this is a problem i want to have
[00:49] <up_the_irons> but
[00:49] <up_the_irons> i just spent the last 30 minutes writing code that I found I already wrote
[00:49] <up_the_irons> 6 months ago
[00:49] <ballen> hah
[00:49] <up_the_irons> all nice and tested too
[00:50] <up_the_irons> yep, works like a charm
[00:51] <ballen> hahaha
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[02:08] <Rada> Happy new customer here :)
[02:14] <up_the_irons> Rada!
[02:14] <up_the_irons> Rada: welcome to #arpnetworks :)
[02:17] <up_the_irons> Rada: what kinds of things are you doing with your new VM?
[02:17] <up_the_irons> i always wonder what my boxes are up to...
[02:18] <ballen> hacking some gibsons
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[02:39] <up_the_irons> with vim's ctrl-p completion, I feel like half my coding is just hitting <ctrl-p>
[02:56] <Rada> up_the_irons: I'm probably gonna use it for irssi in a screen, a lot of web serving, a little unrealircd and some mail
[02:56] <Rada> And thanks :)
[02:56] <up_the_irons> Rada: nice :)
[02:56] <Rada> My current server got shut down because of political issues at work =/
[02:57] <Rada> To think I had free bandwith and electricity all this time.
[03:00] <up_the_irons> hehe
[03:04] <Rada> god... i love the way you just give a good generic install.
[03:06] <up_the_irons> :)
[03:06] <up_the_irons> i'm quite a minimalist myself
[03:07] <up_the_irons> Rada: how'd you find out about my services anyway?  I noticed 2 orders from DK yesterday, within an hour, was wondering if I got on some danish forum or something...
[03:08] <Rada> Oh it's my friend whom I hosted on my server at work, he found you somehow and told me he ordered from you
[03:09] <Rada> I'm pretty sure he found you via google.
[03:09] <up_the_irons> Rada: ah ok
[03:10] <Rada> but yeah, serious quality BSD hosting is rare these days.
[03:10] <up_the_irons> I aim to change that
[03:10] <Rada> :)
[03:10] <up_the_irons> although I do hear RootBSD and JohnCompanies come up a lot, and people have good things to say
[03:11] <up_the_irons> but i guess that *is* only 2 other companies
[03:11] <up_the_irons> not like the thousands of Linux VPS providers out there ;)
[03:11] <Rada> exactly
[03:12] <Rada> rootbsd is a lot more pricey than your plan
[03:12] <up_the_irons> yeah they're expensive
[03:12] <up_the_irons> kinda like Slicehost
[03:13] <Rada> You know what, after actually looking at the alternatives out there I'm happy my friend told me about arpnetworks. He really did his research.
[03:14] <up_the_irons> yeah, apparently :)  cuz I don't do any paid advertising
[03:15] <up_the_irons> although a search for "FreeBSD VPS" on google brings me at #4 now
[03:15] <Rada> I'd aim to be #1 at something more generic like "freebsd hosting"
[03:15] <up_the_irons> i'm quite impressed i actually achieved that; i must know something about SEO, but i really don't
[03:15] <up_the_irons> yeah, that'd be a good one to get
[03:16] <up_the_irons> man, i'm nowhere for that keyword ;)
[03:35] <Rada> What kind of people buy ip transit?
[03:37] <up_the_irons> Rada: web hosting companies, colo companies, big gaming companies, lots and lots others
[03:38] <Rada> oh
[03:38] <Rada> So they just buy... bandwith? like how? Do you relay their traffic then?
[03:39] <Rada> oh and my friend Rasmus hasn't heard anything about his vps yet
[03:39] <up_the_irons> Rada: they just buy bandwidth, yeah.  They order a cross connect to me (copper or fiber), and I light up the port.  Most will request a large block of IPs also, and I'll assign those as downstream
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[03:40] <Rada> oh, nice.
[03:40] <up_the_irons> Rada: yeah I know about Rasmus, I'm behind.  is he @nerdd on twitter?
[03:40] <up_the_irons> nerdd!
[03:40] <Rada> :D
[03:40] <nerdd> Yup
[03:40] <up_the_irons> speak of the devil
[03:41] <up_the_irons> nerdd: your VPS is coming in like 30 minutes or less
[03:41] <nerdd> Rada tipped me about this channel ;)
[03:41] <nerdd> up_the_irons: Uh, nice!
[03:41] <Rada> nerdd: In english it's "Oh" not "Uh",
[03:42] <up_the_irons> LOL
[03:42] <Rada> even the sounds we make depend on culture and language.
[03:43] <nerdd> Rada: Tss.. A minor error, wouldn't you say? I'm sure the meaning translated well enough
[03:44] <Rada> uh, yeah...
[03:44] <Rada> :D
[04:13] <up_the_irons> nerdd: done, just sent you the welcome package
[04:15] <nerdd> up_the_irons: Thanks, I've just read the mail :)
[04:16] <up_the_irons> :)
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[06:41] <mike-burns> up_the_irons: Unless you write a lot of Makefiles, I recommend this: imap <Tab> ^P
[06:42] <mike-burns> (Also, I'm sure you know about this already: ^N, ^X^L, and using ^L in incremental search mode.)
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[14:31] <up_the_irons> mike-burns: nah, I actually need real tabs; so gotta keep the tab key
[14:32] <up_the_irons> mike-burns: i've done some work with ^X^<other> , but haven't got in the habit of using it much
[14:33] <up_the_irons> mike-burns: regarding ^X^L, I usually just use '*'
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[15:35] <jeev> i wish i could code man
[15:35] <jeev> damnit
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[20:15] <bithash> Hello people
[20:20] <bithash> Just wondering if I should know anything about policies procedures at arpnetworks, I just got myself a new account
[20:21] <bithash> same deal as the topic for the day
[20:21] <mike-burns> What kind of policies?
[20:23] <bithash> I am not really sure..anything that stands out?
[20:23] <bithash> This also happens to be my first hosting account of any sort..
[20:23] <bithash> so pardon my ignorance in general
[20:24] <mike-burns> Aside from anything that you've seen in the emails from Garry (which wasn't much), I've just been following a "don't be a dick" philosophy with regards to what I use my account for.
[20:24] <mike-burns> But I don't know of anything formal.
[20:24] <mike-burns> up_the_irons will do RDNS for you, and in general is super-helpful for anything you need him to do.
[20:25] <bithash> fair enough :) Yeah I am not into any spamming or anything..just did not want on start on the wrong foot
[20:25] <bithash> ah ok
[20:26] <mike-burns> Yeah just don't do something illegal.
[20:26] <mike-burns> And if you do, make sure to split the profits with up_the_irons .
[20:26] <bithash> lol
[20:26] <bithash> aight..noted
[20:27] <bithash> So i see that the forward dns to the server would be <servername>.cust.arpnetworks.com ?
[20:28] <mike-burns> You can run your own DNS if you want something custom.
[20:29] <bithash> cool
[20:29] <bithash> and finally, is the irc channel an acceptable medium for any support requests?
[20:29] <bithash> not in the main channel of course
[20:30] <mike-burns> I don't know how up_the_irons feels about it, but we do all make requests here (or via private message) and he takes care of them.
[20:31] <mike-burns> I suspect he's okay with this, until he gets too many customers.
[20:31] <bithash> very nice. yep, I won't be a bother, just curious.
[20:31] <bithash> Thanks for coming forward mike-burns :) I really do appreciate it.
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[20:58] * sroute thinks "dont be a dick" is a good philosophy
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[21:03] <sroute> bithash do you have some server admin experience?
[21:04] <bithash> Yes, I do manage a few servers
[21:04] <bithash> apache, mysql heavy
[21:05] <sroute> ah good. chances are then you won't have many requests... you get a VPS and in this case they really do look like a machine - if you care to compile and install your own kernel, go for it. Not like OpenVZ.
[21:05] <sroute> Other than working with Garry while he was doing some beta testing on a new platform I can't say that I've had a need for a support request... the thing just keeps on ticking. Boring. I like boring.
[21:07] <bithash> Yeah I got the VPS which is the topic of discussion today .. working on configuring it at the moment, I like the download speeds already :)
[22:36] <ballen> blah
[22:58] <up_the_irons> hey bithash, welcome to #arpnetworks
[22:58] <up_the_irons> bithash: you can ask for support in here, but usually I'll just refer you to support@arpnetworks.com if I'm busy
[22:59] <up_the_irons> and yeah, "don't be a dick" is a great policy, I should replace my AUP page with <div class='web-two-point-oh'>Don't Be A Dick</div>
[22:59] <up_the_irons> ;)
[23:00] <bithash> thanks up_the_irons. :)
[23:00] <up_the_irons> no problem
[23:00] <visinin> div.web-two-point-oh { shininess: off-the-hook; beta: hell-yeah; }
[23:00] <up_the_irons> bithash: where you hear about my services btw?
[23:00] <up_the_irons> visinin: haha nice
[23:02] <bithash> yeah I just wanted a better understanding abt arpnetworks
[23:02] <bithash> I saw a few forum posts on webhostingtalk.com which recommended you guys
[23:02] <up_the_irons> sroute: I'm glad you're bored; i'm having more fun than you ;)
[23:02] <up_the_irons> bithash: ah cool
[23:03] <up_the_irons> yeah that blew up yesterday, had like 2 popular threads mention me
[23:03] <bithash> Oh, so its just you?
[23:03] <bithash> I mean, are there more people involved?
[23:03] <up_the_irons> just me
[23:04] <bithash> awsome
[23:04] <up_the_irons> i have some other guys help me when needed, but for the most part it is just me
[23:04] <bithash> gotcha
[23:06] <up_the_irons> sroute: I've been wondering, since you run SMP and APIC is enabled on your VM, does "date; sleep 1; date" produce the correct output? (1 second)
[23:21] <bithash> up_the_walls, so how do I use the vnc service for console view?
[23:25] <bithash> heh..sorry up_the_irons I meant ..
[23:25] <up_the_irons> bithash: get a VNC client and give it the IP and password listed
[23:27] <up_the_irons> bithash: there is also another way to get console view, in an up-and-coming new feature, where you SSH into a console server and can see your VM; think of it like serial-over-IP :)  Email support@arpnetworks.com your SSH pub key if you want to try it out
[23:27] <bithash> slick
[23:28] <bithash> so with method 1, I am not sure if I follow the "password listed", is it the one that I got with the welcome email?
[23:29] <up_the_irons> bithash: oh, thought you saw -- log into the portal and click on your "Services", you'll then see the VNC info
[23:32] <bithash> up_the_irons: thanks, yes I got it now:)
[23:32] <up_the_irons> bithash: :)
[23:32] <bithash> missed the vnc section earlier
[23:32] <up_the_irons> no problem
[23:42] <bithash> Is the VNC server common to all vps boxes?
[23:43] <up_the_irons> bithash: what do you mean?
[23:44] <bithash> nvm. got it :)
[23:44] <up_the_irons> it's specific to the VPS host you're on.  So if your VM moves to a different host, the VNC IP will change
[23:44] <bithash> sorry abt that
[23:44] <up_the_irons> no worries
[23:44] <bithash> different host?
[23:44] <bithash> physical machine you mean ..?
[23:44] <up_the_irons> yeah, physical machine
[23:44] <bithash> aight
[23:48] <bithash> do you add the forward dns entry for a new vps hostname by default?
[23:54] <up_the_irons> bithash: yeah i do
[23:55] <bithash> hmm..mine did not seem to propagate yet
[23:55] <bithash> can you please double check?
[23:55] <bithash> lmk if you need the hostname :)
[23:55] <bithash> I can wait if its just a propagation delay
[23:57] <up_the_irons> works for me
[23:58] <bithash> its rig
[23:58] <up_the_irons> bithash: you don't have to use that hostname either, most people change it
[23:58] <bithash> the server hostname is fine
[23:58] <bithash> just the dns
[23:58] <up_the_irons> bithash: ooh right, you requested a special hostname
[23:58] <bithash> :)
[23:59] <up_the_irons> bithash: what would you like it to be, "rig.cust.arpnetworks.com" ?
[23:59] <up_the_irons> you don't have to use my domain, most people find it boring anyway ;)
[23:59] <bithash> yeah , that would be just fine :)