ballen|away: i'd ask you to convert, like, /26 into 255.255.255.192
ballen|away: and vice versa
!request
hehe
Chand`: welcome to #arpnetworks
tq
like where do I get a free vps here?
?
Chand`: there are no free vps' here
you mean
?
up_the_irons : ?you mean
up_the_irons : you mean?
Chand`: i don't understand
I'm sorry because I'm from Indonesia so it is not too fluent in English
:-)
that's alright
whether there's a shell or a vps for free??
Chand`: there is no VPS for free
or free shells
if the shell?
?
no shells
;-9
;-(
if you can help me to get a free shell?
please
Chand`: http://www.red-pill.eu/freeunix.shtml
	
if you have a shell?
bed time for me
cd $rest
up_the_irons: going to bed just as I'm starting again LOL
Somehow managed not to work half the night. This "sleeping" thing is kinda cool.
Might try it again sometime...
so who here has a freebs vps
jeev: Me, ballen, mike-burns, others, I'm sure.
do you build packges
like apache or pkg_add -r ?
I just use the ports.
so you build from it
is it slow
;/
Nope.
It's about as fast as my normal dev machine.
cool
I also don't install a lot of software on my servers.
46 ports installed in total, and I'd guess a majority of that is autotools-related.
ok cool
jeev: Same here.
Never really had a problem with ports.
It's great to be able to keep up to date so easily.
I recently tried portmaster and it feels nicer than portupgrade.
you guys use portsnap
jeev - I have a FreeBSD "vps" with Arp too. Very pleased with it. I also run my own machines elsewhere on the planet but will be using more virtual machines in the future.
portsnap && portmaster are my tools of choice at present.
Haven't tried portsnap, but it sure looks useful.
easy-peasy
also portupgrade
sudo portsnap fetch && sudo portsnap extract - first go around
which is a port in its self
from then on sudo portsnap fetch && sudo portsnap update
Very fast.
yea man i have a ton of servers, i just wanted a vps
First extract will take a while of course but from then on its slick.
This replaces cvsup?
jeev - for all intents and purposes the vps will look like a real server - you can even rebuild and install your own kernel
mike-burns: yup
mike-burns: as far as I can tell there are no downsides to using portsnap over cvsup - probably cvsup for ports will one day be deprecated. Or should be.
Cool, I'll try it next time I upgrade.
how funny
a clients server ram just failed
I'm running an update on one machine right now... just started. I'll tell you when it is done
i just started using svn on a test server for 7-stable
Done.
$ sudo portsnap fetch && sudo portsnap update
Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found.
Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap1.FreeBSD.org... done.
Fetching snapshot metadata... done.
Updating from Sun Sep 27 13:13:53 PDT 2009 to Wed Sep 30 08:50:51 PDT 2009....
--snip-- extracts a bunch of new files.
like I said, the first extract will take a while, as would an "update" if you do one say six months from now. But it is far faster than cvsup for most users and certainly is so for frequent users.
portsnap is great, as is freebsd-update
(Written by the same guy!)
Makes sense.
I wish the ports system had a config management system similar to that of mergemaster.
I don't like having to figure out that on my own.
Granted, /usr/ports/UPDATING usually helps, but still.
Which ports give you issues?
Dovecot changes its options every point release. It's obnoxious.
Oh, that's harsh.
There are always little things that break when the defaults change. I want to know that.
sroute, you know you can do portsnap fetch update ?
instead of 2 commands
I wish something were automated for PostgreSQL upgrades, along that line too.
... not have to recovery a week later when I realize my mail server has been down because Dovecot hasn't started.
BeBoo_: Yeah, the combined command is nice.
There's alsoa cron command that doesn't actually do the merge to be safe, but I'd like to implement that someday to e-mail me weekly with pkg_version -v -l \< or something similar.
mike-burns: Debian has some stuff, but, yeah.
you guys use suphp ?
Never heard of it.
its like suexec, for php
Huh!
BeBoo_: thanks. an old habit which will change now...
jeev: i believe i have in the past
I use lighttpd, so my config is a bit different.
cool
yea i use lighttpd for a cust
sroute: does the same thing but saves some typing. =]
funny thing is his server got hacked with lighttpd cause of a script
:(
no, the sites on apache got owned, not lighttpd
i dunno why, they were all in one fodler
i suggested we move each site to a new username
Interesting.
we have yet to do so though
it's best to segregate *
We're in the process of moving our apps off to separate VMs, since our Wordpress install just got owned.
:o
seriously
sroute: Agreed.
Too bad we just deployed a huge Joomla installation.
Whoops!
jeev: can always jail each site if you wanted to go that far
I think I will have to break down and write a minimalist webmail app so that I can actually remove PHP from one of our boxes. At least I have the one app - squirrelmail - running via PHP in a jail
Hm. Maybe I'll look into suphp for our wordpress install.
i've gotta get more into it and see what's going on
what do you use to jail
This jail is by hand; I have used ezjail as well too and like it when I am doling out large numbers of them.
ahh
I don't suppose anyone has a decent webmail app, non PHP, preferably in Python, they have experience with and like?
nope, i use horde
Hm. That'd be nice.
sroute: http://bobomail.sourceforge.net/
Am seriously thinking of firing up a project. I have some experience writing mail apps but not sure I want to dive that deep.
cat believeskewed
[11:11am] <xsamurai> fatalnix:
woops
cant believe i clicked on the localhost link
bobomail really needs some UI help. :)
BeBoo_: I believe I've run across that link before... quite ancient - dates back to Python 1.x days and that was a LONG time ago.
ah. i just googled =\
#  Apache 1.3.11, Apache 1.3.12
# Mozilla M15/ Netscape Navigator 4.7
"Bobo" is a term that Zope used to be referred to as.
Yeah, this uses Zope, it seems.
Looks dead. :(
There just isn't anything for Python that seems active; a couple of times a year I check out the state of affairs.
http://posterity.edgewall.org/ is one... but also seems inactive. Just not as old as bobomail
I'd like the UI of Roundcube (without the OS X style, but the AJAX and general layout is nice) written ins omething other than PHP.
Then I'd just need to find a replacement for Mediawiki (probably not going to happen) and phpBB (yuck).
http://divmod.org/trac/wiki/DivmodQuotient is another, seems stalled. Not quite sure what those folks are up to these days.
Someone started a project on Google Code last year http://code.google.com/p/webpymail/
But no updates since January.
Hm. Why is my lighttpd serving up an expired certificate. :(
I guess OpenWebMail (perl) might be an option. http://www.openwebmail.org/
Or I stick with sqmail in a jail, where all PHP apps belong. squirrel mail probably isn't that bad off although there have been the odd security issues with it, as there are with most all software regardless of language
wow, i got some scrollback to read, don't i
while the cat is away...
lol
sroute: i also tried to "sleeping" thing last night, but woke up at like 4AM and had to get on the laptop
"sleep" ? what is that?
It's something that doesn't work right when you mix FreeBSD and KVM.
as i'm reading the scrollback about portsnap and cvsup, let me say i wish they deprecated CVS entirely and just used git; git is so much faster than any alternative out there, by a mile; anyone who has used it knows what i mean
git is the fastest I've tried, but there has been a crazy amount of improvements to darcs over the past month.
git is cool but was pissing me off
i had messed up the kvm branch of git and wanted to redownload everything
it kept saying already up to date, do you know what to do in that situation ?
git reset --hard  ?
BeBoo_: "sleep" is something they used to make a while ago; it got discontinued due to lack of sales
jeev: why not just re-clone?
i didn't know what to do
i rm'd it
if you want to really "start over"
what to do would depend on how you "messed up the [branch]"
no universal solution
I've suggested before: I'd love if there was a 'git undo' command, that I could keep typing until I got to the initial checkin.
It'd just magically undo whatever I just did, and if it gets to the point where I cloned it then it'd undo what the prior person did.
That's my dream.
i saw some alias for 'undo' i think, not sure if it worked well
mike-burns: there's some nice tidbits here sometimes: http://www.gitready.com/
Hah. gitready worked next to me for six months.
worked?
He's a CS students at RIT.
ah , haha
nice
He had an internship at my company.
Any git problem I had, he fixed. It was great.
LOL
office time
cd $office
No such file or directory
lo
ping
python
wrong window.
indeed
for x in range(100000000): print("oops")
(0..100000000).each { print "oops" }
dam man
qemu is going slowwwwwwwww, without kvm
ruby is so much better :-)
install ;D
prints = puts though
ballen - whatever fits our brains is better
thankfully PHP isn't among the choices for you and me LOL
yea I agree, its just fun to argue
yea PHP is lame
i'm too old for language wars myself
but it can be fun... once in a while
ever do fuzzy logic searches ?
not as a matter of course... why?
just trying to figure out a way to do it that doesn't involve multiple calls to the db
searching for a name
the db has First Last in a field
ah; for that I've had to rely on search engine technology in my past.
yea
Used to do a bunch of work with Fulcrum, OpenText
document and content management systems, workflow, imaging - that was my area of expertise.
ah right on
meh screw fuzzy logic
not worth the crap ton of extra queries
or storing an extra index
Postgres has (or had, been a while since I looked) a "soundex" library
Might be worth looking around for something similar for your db of choice.
yea not using a relation db for this project
Ah.
likly I have the speed to do the queries
of the various permutation of the search
but it seems like an ugly way of doing it
I guess I could ensure everything is downcased
for the search
that would eleminate some issues
Not looked at soundex algorithms of late but is one approach. Of course non-English names complicate matters greatly.
hmm yea very true
http://unirec.blogspot.com/2007/12/live-fuzzy-search-using-n-grams-in.html
there n-grams approach
getchar!
how very C of you
what now
ballen: just for fun I built a quicky Levenshtein distance calculator; a brute force run through a list of 200,000 words takes quite a while to return this for the search value "Mike":
>>> def closest(key, iterable, top=5):
...     result = []
...     for i, value in enumerate(iterable):
...         result.append(i, value, levenshtein(key, value))
getchar: sup
...     return sorted(result, key=lambda x: x[2])[:top]
hah
sroute, whats the levenshtein method look like
gonna grab some dinner
here's an implementation: http://hetland.org/coding/python/levenshtein.py
thx
precalculating ngram style like the better approach for a big word corpus
but for a smallish body... lev might be just fine. 10 seconds for 200,000 words on my slow dev machine
yea trade off being using up more storage
in which my db runs in memory
anyway, fun to think about this stuff again. I actually need a fuzzy match solution.
so storage is a premium
my db is a python object db, not a SQL back end
thanks for the suggestions
see, Python and Ruby folks DO get along LOL
hah
indeed
lmao
hmm I'm guessing I could iterate though name index
see how it does
mostly (partly?) kidding.
c u folks later... dinner calls.
l8r
prolly could use RubyInline to write the method in ruby
in C
up_the_irons
qemu is so nasty without kvm
jeev: it's a software emulator, so sure it's nasty ;)
nasty.
xen is SO much faster
xen is not a software emulator
you're comparing apples and oranges on that one
i gotta leave the office now, talk to u guys later
k bye
ahh
what's the difference then between xen and qemu
Xen is paravirtulizaed, Qemu/KVM is full-vert
what if it's not KVM
just Qemu vs Xen
same diff just not running in the kernel
or rather not using Intel VT or AMD-V CPU extentions
hmm
the qemu box is crawwwwwwwwwwling on a slackware install
but xen, debian was fast
i know it's not necessarily debian that's fast
but i think it's just qemu that is crawwwwwwwwwwwwling
xen is inertially faster than Qemu, but requires a modified ghost OS kernel
ballen... turns out the fastest way to get fuzzy matching in Python is to look at the docs. difflib module fills the bill...
heh how about in Ruby?
Here's an example - lets get 17,000 words or so in a list
>>> W = [w.strip() for w in open('/usr/share/dict/words') if len(w) < 7 and len(w) > 3]
>>> len(W)
16920
>>> difflib.get_close_matches('Mike', W)
['Mike', 'Mikey', 'sike']
>>> difflib.get_close_matches('Fred', W)
['Fred', 'red', 'roed']
>>> difflib.get_close_matches('naancy', W)
['nancy', 'nanny', 'nacry']
>>> difflib.get_close_matches('heelga', W)
['heel', 'wheel', 'shela']
>>> difflib.get_close_matches('sheilla', W)
['shill', 'shell', 'shela']
>>> difflib.get_close_matches('Bobbty', W)
['Bobby', 'sobby', 'pobby']
Not bad. Pretty fast too.
nice, any idea on big o complexity of it?
difflib module I see is 2000 lines long. Let me have a quick read
feck
2k lines
get_close_matches however is not very long at all.
However it does depend on a SequenceMatcher class which is somewhat lengthy.
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/293796
nice thanks
likely it won't work with Ruby 1.9
but will try
meh. apparently it is October somewhere on the planet already.
ew
I don't want snow
mailing list reminders have an undesirable side effect of reminding me how fast time passes
snow? isn't everyone located in Monaco like me?
heh, nope
lol it was 33 degrees (C) in Calgary last week while I was there; back in Vancouver it was 6 or 7 C this morning.
50F here
Not looking forward to snow either although I think the 2010 Winter Olympic organizers in this city are sure hoping it does before Feb.
likely
i wish i could code
me too ;)
more seriously... if you want it, just dive in.
http://diveintopython.org/
Or in Ruby (I don't know anything about this site) http://rubylearning.com/
cul8tr
heh
CSS can be annoying
damn
slack has been isntalling through qemu without kvm for 4 hours, still going
me thinks you should use something else
yea qemu bows
blows
didnt you suggest vmware
yes
it will work well without kvm ?
this is for a server with no kvm
xen spanks qemu without kvm
like a literal kvm?
or the software
vmx or whatever amd's capability
you iknow, the cpu capability
that makes your vm run sexy
you know what kvm is ?
oh, yes you must have virtuization extensions for ESXi
www.linux-kvm.org
oh
yes I know what KVM
damn
is
so im stuck with xen ;)
my kvm capable server is doing well
can grab a trial of regualar ESX
which will run
which is easier
virtualbox or esx
not easier but
less of a hassle
why the hell am I tired its only 1:52
heh
im tired too and it's only 1052
getting pissed at my head
I can usually stay up till 4-5 no prob when working on a fun project
last fun project i had was vagina
ballen: You could use Hubris and write the method in Haskell, for Ruby. (Instead of using RubyInline.) (Responding to something way in the backlog.)
whats Hubris
It's a Haskell-to-Ruby marshaller.
ah
It's so you can write fast code for Ruby without writing C.
yea I'm putting that task on the back burner for now
doing more UI and app logic for now
The thrill and excitement of CSS and JS.
no JS
Smart.
JS is tricky to test.
specifically trying to not use any JS in this site
adds to much overhead
even its just a third file to download and just a few k
still another request
and JS is just about the most lame ass thing to deal with ever
Haha. I like JS, but I hate the DOM. And the browsers.
yea
love how ruby has all these inline ways of writting in other langs
Ha yeah, to attempt to make up for defeciencies in the Ruby language.
yep
if ya can't beat em, join em
I'm impressed with how long the whole Ruby thing has lasted.
"the whole Ruby thing" hah
RubyConf sold out in like 8 hours this year. On a Friday night.
yea, lots of people love Ruby, myself included
I just use it for my day job, that's all.
it'll prolly be easier to use RubyInline as then I don't have to install a Haskell compiler
Hah, and learn Haskell.
since GCC will be installed everywhere this site will
meh, not worried about learning anything
eazy enough to find samples
easy* even
I think Hubris requires jhc, which is harder to install than ghc. Good idea to just use gcc.
yea
Anyway I gotta sleep.
alright later man
pretty interesting: http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3835746
"FreeBSD 8 Getting New Routing Architecture"
will u offer freebsd 8 when it comes out?