ballen: tomorrow, I implment a beta invite system
well rather later today
now I sleep
up_the_irons: don't stay up to late up_the_irons: ballen: i'll be fine
:) ballen: heh indeed up_the_irons: i got a lot of sleep yesterday ballen: yea who needs sleep two days in a row up_the_irons: srsly
police helicopter shouting some stuff, heh...
my neighborhood sucks ballen: lmao ***: ballen is now known as ballen|away up_the_irons: 64-bit cacti problems solved
<phew>
maybe i'll blog about it mike-burns: ballen|away: I sorta understand why you're using Sinatra, but one you go looking for plugins, etc., for it it makes more sense to use Rails.
(If you used Rails you could use Clearance which handles email validations.) nuke`: morning all ***: heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks
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it aint mornin till i've slept
i have requested peering with 30 more networks. OMG I am tired
cd $bed mhoran: Word.
Peer with GOogle yet? :)
Wonder how many VMs you have to host for them to think that'd be practical. I think you also need two peering points? I looked into this a while ago. ***: heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: mhoran: nah, google still giving me the finger ;) and yeah, they require multiple locations now
mhoran: as far as # of VMs, at the rate you guys use b/w you'd need a METRIC SH*T TON of VMs ;)
[06:18:40] @up_the_irons | cd $bed
up_the_irons: ^^ liar mhoran: Haha. up_the_irons: mhoran: just got off a nice call with Cable & Wireless; they didn't 'em up wanting to peer, but they gave me the time of day and were very nice. That's the diff between USA and GB I guess ;) mhoran: Hah, cool. up_the_irons: looks like I need in the range of 7+ Gbps of traffic before they'll reconsider mhoran: We'll get there! -: up_the_irons <-- way off from that ;) mhoran: Wish I were hosting something that were that popular, hah.
7 Gbps. Wow.
I just looked at that number again, hah. up_the_irons: the guy was talking about wholesale transit rates, and costs getting across Russia and Pacific Ocean, and how as a result "content" traffic is becoming lower and lower in value wrt peering mhoran: Oh really.
Interesting. up_the_irons: mhoran: LOL, yeah, 7 *G*bps
other types of traffic are becoming more sought after, like voice traffic mhoran: Right. up_the_irons: i mean, with all the content we spill out for free from networks in the US, it is no wonder the rest of the world is becoming less likely to pick up the bill ;) mhoran: Yeah. I've always been interested in the point where an ISP is interested in peering vs. transit, and what it takes to get there. up_the_irons: yeah, i find that interesting as well. i know the basics, but some of these guys that are *into it* are really fascinating to listen to
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ballen|away is now known as ballen teknicaL: Are there bandwidth graphs in the control panel? If so, I must be missing something. =x ballen: yea up_the_irons has to add them, not added automagically
just send a request to support@arpnetworks.com teknicaL: oh
ok
Will do. Just on the lunch break right now ballen: right on, just woke up
staying up till 6am not a smart idea teknicaL: Lol. No, ,that is never a good idea.
ballen: have you rebuild your kernel on your vps?
-d +t ballen: like you would in any install
oh
have i
nah
no reason to
GENERIC kernel is just fine for me
I used to do custom kernels in FreeBSD all the time, but have found theres really not any noticeable benefit teknicaL: I wasn't going to but I want to update the user land so I thought I might as well rebuild the kernel too
I've never rebuild a 64bit kernel though. It seems different ballen: yea its a little diff
you're not doing like a make world are you?
freebsd-update ...
its how you do that now teknicaL: I was going to do a make world. lol
I haven't used BSD in a long time. x
=x ballen: freebsd-update is amazing
freebsd-update fetch
then freebsd-update install teknicaL: cool ballen: soooo much better than make world teknicaL: about time it's simple. lol ballen: also portsnap
for grabbing ports and updating the ports tree
portsnap fetch extract
portsnap fetch update
yea freebsd-update came out around 6.1 or 6.2 ish
and it was in ports before that teknicaL: is this like all the ipv6 you can eat or something
lol
that is a crap load of ipv6 ballen: /48 yea
its a retarded amount teknicaL: must be trying to push people away from ipv4. lol ballen: supposidly its the standard recommended subnet to push to hosts in the RFC
which is wild teknicaL: and they wonder why they're out of ipv4. ha! ballen: my thoughts excactly
I believe a /48 is more ip's then there is in ipv4 up_the_irons: yeah, if you read the RFCs, between /48 and /56 is the recommended allocation, with the /56 being geared toward residental (Cable/DSL/Dialup) ISPs
ballen: yeah, it is more than entire ipv4 ballen: heh
brilliant up_the_irons: but one thing you need to keep in mind is, you wouldn't be assigning /128's to each host
the idea is this:
IPv6 is so large, we don't "think" of it in terms of individual IPs anymore
we thing in terms of subnets instead ballen: yea
should just get rid of port numbers up_the_irons: how many "subnets" is a /48 ? Well, the standard subnet size is /64, so it is 2^(64 - 48)
and *that's* what you consider to be how "big" your block is. how many subnets do I have? instead of, how many IPs do I have? ballen: true, but you can actually give a host a /128 so you still have a crap load up_the_irons: right, you *can*, but you lose a lot of the features built into IPv6 ballen: oh well
whaaatever up_the_irons: but anyway
how many /48's can I give out before I run out?
65536
if i had that many customers, i'm retiring ballen: heh
indeed up_the_irons: and ARIN reserves like the neighboring 8 or so /32's
So I could increase to a /24 ballen: lmao
just in case up_the_irons: by just changning the subnet mask, no additional blocks needed
this is why the routing table for IPv6 is going to be a lot smaller (a lot less blocks) ballen: ah up_the_irons: let's see, if I had a /24
I could give out 16777216 /48's
then I'M DONE
DONE
i tell you
it's a little scary that some ISPs already have /21's of IPv6 ballen: are they just hording ?
hoarding up_the_irons: nah, i think they actually have millions of customers ballen: damn up_the_irons: like AT&T, Level3, etc... ballen: ah
yea
how much does a /48 cost ya
err
/32 teknicaL: how differently it is to rebuild a 64-bit kernel vs 32-bit? up_the_irons: Nothing so far, they let ISP's that already have IPv4 get an IPv6 block for free. This is like to "encourage" adoption, but in the end they'll charge at some point. Probably $2250 per year ballen: just different options teknicaL: any options that I have to worry about since it's a vps? up_the_irons: iStormy_WY5Q: oh hey, welcome to #arpnetworks :) teknicaL: specific^ ballen: just compare against dmesg teknicaL: alright. I'll give it a shot. I don't want to kill the box already. -_- mike-burns: teknicaL: I barely noticed the 64-bit kernel changes. Mostly the same stuff; just modify GENERIC and follow dmesg. ballen: just remember how to recover
boot kernel.old
or whatever it is from the boot loader ***: ballen is now known as ballen|away
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Rick has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) up_the_irons: cablehead: omg, Joel finally got back to me and said he'd peer ;)
ironically, I sent out 30 peer requests last night, but not to hiim cablehead: up_the_irons: oh wow
up_the_irons: nice :) up_the_irons: :) Nat_UB: irons: What's new? jeev: man i've got a good server i need to colo
but i wanna split it up into VM's, what should i use ?
i should learn this kvm stuff, i've only deat with xen
i guess maybe i'd be stuck with xen again, i've used the dtc panel by gplhost.com and it's pretty cool
but i dont like debian mhoran: Xen is bad news.
Check out KVM.
I'm hating my life, thanks to Xen. jeev: yea, i want to use somthing where i could have multiple freebsd vps's Nat_UB: jeev: I'll help ya test a couple. :) jeev: i brought the server up at the office
it's running bsd right now but i assume i have to have it onl inux first
hehe Nat_UB
i actually need to add more ram first
usable memory = 4284665856 (4086 MB)
avail memory = 4112187392 (3921 MB)
i guess it's not ad
bad i dont want to use it for anything hectic
and this is for a new POP ***: mhoran has quit IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
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Oh, gone. mike-burns: Yeah! mhoran: Major lag. mike-burns: Couldn't SSH in for a good minute. jeev: maybe he's trying to set up the peering mhoran: 75% packet loss! jeev: SLA! ***: nukeAFK has joined #arpnetworks mhoran: jeev: I'd tell you more about my fun with Xen, but this isn't working. :) ***: up_the_irons has joined #arpnetworks
ChanServ sets mode: +o up_the_irons jeev: ah
so give me an idea about kvm
can i run it off bsd or dose it have to be linux mhoran: As of now, it's Linux only. jeev: i guess i should read
ahh mhoran: There's been an attempt made to port it to FreeBSD.
However, my FreeBSD VM runs pretty well in KVM (now that we've ironed out some issues with the timer.) Nat_UB: KVM runs rather nicely on Linux now...well supported and documented mhoran: The Xen team is far too fractured, and can't pick something to finish -- they get too interested in the latest and greatest, but never fully polish a feature, so it just doesn't work.
KVM support is integrated into the kernel (which is where the Xen folks would like to be, but they can't get their shit together.) jeev: dunno
makes me nervous to want to use it for production
it's a decent server i could split 4 ways ***: heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks
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ballen has joined #arpnetworks ballen: ping obsidieth: up_the_irons: you couldnt tell me when the next payment is due could you ***: toddf has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) up_the_irons: obsidieth: billing is done between the 1st - 5th of every month ***: greg_dolley has joined #arpnetworks ballen: woot beta invite system works, k going to sleep, none of this 6am shit tonight greg_dolley: lol, gn ballen: night up_the_irons: jeev: i use KVM in production, obviously. trust me, it is quite ready. I use Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04 on the host, I recommend that, have had a real good experience
greg_dolley: whoa, you're in here ballen: Garry != Greg? ***: visinin has quit IRC ("sleep") up_the_irons: ballen: no, greg is my bro jeev: nasty up_the_irons
you use ubunti?
cancel me!
just kdiding up_the_irons: :) jeev: up_the_irons, your blackberry is vibrating up_the_irons: no crackberry for me jeev: you have an iphone ? up_the_irons: yep jeev: damn
that's two strikes
i dunno, i guess i gotta read about kvm
if i do it, i'm doing it via slackware. ballen: up_the_irons: well right on
actually going to sleep now, k bye ***: ballen is now known as ballen|away up_the_irons: ballen|away: l8r
jeev: right on jeev: got anything i could read ?
does it require heavy mods to make it run on bsd ?