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| ballen | joy email validations work
tomorrow, I implment a beta invite system well rather later today now I sleep up_the_irons: don't stay up to late | [01:25] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: i'll be fine
:) | [01:26] |
| ballen | heh indeed | [01:26] |
| up_the_irons | i got a lot of sleep yesterday | [01:26] |
| ballen | yea who needs sleep two days in a row | [01:27] |
| up_the_irons | srsly | [01:34] |
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| police helicopter shouting some stuff, heh...
my neighborhood sucks | [02:07] | |
| ballen | lmao | [02:07] |
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| up_the_irons | 64-bit cacti problems solved
<phew> maybe i'll blog about it | [03:59] |
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| mike-burns | ballen|away: I sorta understand why you're using Sinatra, but one you go looking for plugins, etc., for it it makes more sense to use Rails.
(If you used Rails you could use Clearance which handles email validations.) | [05:12] |
| nuke` | morning all | [05:25] |
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| up_the_irons | mornin'?
it aint mornin till i've slept i have requested peering with 30 more networks. OMG I am tired cd $bed | [06:21] |
| mhoran | Word.
Peer with GOogle yet? :) Wonder how many VMs you have to host for them to think that'd be practical. I think you also need two peering points? I looked into this a while ago. | [06:23] |
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| up_the_irons | mhoran: nah, google still giving me the finger ;) and yeah, they require multiple locations now
mhoran: as far as # of VMs, at the rate you guys use b/w you'd need a METRIC SH*T TON of VMs ;) [06:18:40] @up_the_irons | cd $bed up_the_irons: ^^ liar | [07:01] |
| mhoran | Haha. | [07:02] |
| up_the_irons | mhoran: just got off a nice call with Cable & Wireless; they didn't 'em up wanting to peer, but they gave me the time of day and were very nice. That's the diff between USA and GB I guess ;) | [07:03] |
| mhoran | Hah, cool. | [07:03] |
| up_the_irons | looks like I need in the range of 7+ Gbps of traffic before they'll reconsider | [07:03] |
| mhoran | We'll get there! | [07:03] |
| up_the_irons | up_the_irons <-- way off from that ;) | [07:03] |
| mhoran | Wish I were hosting something that were that popular, hah.
7 Gbps. Wow. I just looked at that number again, hah. | [07:04] |
| up_the_irons | the guy was talking about wholesale transit rates, and costs getting across Russia and Pacific Ocean, and how as a result "content" traffic is becoming lower and lower in value wrt peering | [07:05] |
| mhoran | Oh really.
Interesting. | [07:05] |
| up_the_irons | mhoran: LOL, yeah, 7 *G*bps
other types of traffic are becoming more sought after, like voice traffic | [07:05] |
| mhoran | Right. | [07:06] |
| up_the_irons | i mean, with all the content we spill out for free from networks in the US, it is no wonder the rest of the world is becoming less likely to pick up the bill ;) | [07:06] |
| mhoran | Yeah. I've always been interested in the point where an ISP is interested in peering vs. transit, and what it takes to get there. | [07:07] |
| up_the_irons | yeah, i find that interesting as well. i know the basics, but some of these guys that are *into it* are really fascinating to listen to | [07:08] |
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| teknicaL | Are there bandwidth graphs in the control panel? If so, I must be missing something. =x | [11:50] |
| ballen | yea up_the_irons has to add them, not added automagically
just send a request to support@arpnetworks.com | [11:54] |
| teknicaL | oh
ok Will do. Just on the lunch break right now | [11:54] |
| ballen | right on, just woke up
staying up till 6am not a smart idea | [11:55] |
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| teknicaL | Lol. No, ,that is never a good idea. | [13:23] |
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| ballen: have you rebuild your kernel on your vps?
-d +t | [14:04] | |
| ballen | like you would in any install
oh have i nah no reason to GENERIC kernel is just fine for me I used to do custom kernels in FreeBSD all the time, but have found theres really not any noticeable benefit | [14:04] |
| teknicaL | I wasn't going to but I want to update the user land so I thought I might as well rebuild the kernel too
I've never rebuild a 64bit kernel though. It seems different | [14:08] |
| ballen | yea its a little diff
you're not doing like a make world are you? freebsd-update ... its how you do that now | [14:09] |
| teknicaL | I was going to do a make world. lol
I haven't used BSD in a long time. x =x | [14:09] |
| ballen | freebsd-update is amazing
freebsd-update fetch then freebsd-update install | [14:10] |
| teknicaL | cool | [14:10] |
| ballen | soooo much better than make world | [14:10] |
| teknicaL | about time it's simple. lol | [14:10] |
| ballen | also portsnap
for grabbing ports and updating the ports tree portsnap fetch extract portsnap fetch update yea freebsd-update came out around 6.1 or 6.2 ish and it was in ports before that | [14:10] |
| teknicaL | is this like all the ipv6 you can eat or something
lol that is a crap load of ipv6 | [14:13] |
| ballen | /48 yea
its a retarded amount | [14:14] |
| teknicaL | must be trying to push people away from ipv4. lol | [14:14] |
| ballen | supposidly its the standard recommended subnet to push to hosts in the RFC
which is wild | [14:15] |
| teknicaL | and they wonder why they're out of ipv4. ha! | [14:15] |
| ballen | my thoughts excactly
I believe a /48 is more ip's then there is in ipv4 | [14:16] |
| up_the_irons | yeah, if you read the RFCs, between /48 and /56 is the recommended allocation, with the /56 being geared toward residental (Cable/DSL/Dialup) ISPs
ballen: yeah, it is more than entire ipv4 | [14:16] |
| ballen | heh
brilliant | [14:17] |
| up_the_irons | but one thing you need to keep in mind is, you wouldn't be assigning /128's to each host
the idea is this: IPv6 is so large, we don't "think" of it in terms of individual IPs anymore we thing in terms of subnets instead | [14:17] |
| ballen | yea
should just get rid of port numbers | [14:18] |
| up_the_irons | how many "subnets" is a /48 ? Well, the standard subnet size is /64, so it is 2^(64 - 48)
and *that's* what you consider to be how "big" your block is. how many subnets do I have? instead of, how many IPs do I have? | [14:18] |
| ballen | true, but you can actually give a host a /128 so you still have a crap load | [14:19] |
| up_the_irons | right, you *can*, but you lose a lot of the features built into IPv6 | [14:19] |
| ballen | oh well
whaaatever | [14:19] |
| up_the_irons | but anyway
how many /48's can I give out before I run out? 65536 if i had that many customers, i'm retiring | [14:20] |
| ballen | heh
indeed | [14:20] |
| up_the_irons | and ARIN reserves like the neighboring 8 or so /32's
So I could increase to a /24 | [14:20] |
| ballen | lmao
just in case | [14:21] |
| up_the_irons | by just changning the subnet mask, no additional blocks needed
this is why the routing table for IPv6 is going to be a lot smaller (a lot less blocks) | [14:21] |
| ballen | ah | [14:21] |
| up_the_irons | let's see, if I had a /24
I could give out 16777216 /48's then I'M DONE DONE i tell you it's a little scary that some ISPs already have /21's of IPv6 | [14:22] |
| ballen | are they just hording ?
hoarding | [14:23] |
| up_the_irons | nah, i think they actually have millions of customers | [14:23] |
| ballen | damn | [14:23] |
| up_the_irons | like AT&T, Level3, etc... | [14:23] |
| ballen | ah
yea how much does a /48 cost ya err /32 | [14:23] |
| teknicaL | how differently it is to rebuild a 64-bit kernel vs 32-bit? | [14:25] |
| up_the_irons | Nothing so far, they let ISP's that already have IPv4 get an IPv6 block for free. This is like to "encourage" adoption, but in the end they'll charge at some point. Probably $2250 per year | [14:25] |
| ballen | just different options | [14:25] |
| teknicaL | any options that I have to worry about since it's a vps? | [14:26] |
| up_the_irons | iStormy_WY5Q: oh hey, welcome to #arpnetworks :) | [14:26] |
| teknicaL | specific^ | [14:26] |
| ballen | just compare against dmesg | [14:26] |
| teknicaL | alright. I'll give it a shot. I don't want to kill the box already. -_- | [14:27] |
| mike-burns | teknicaL: I barely noticed the 64-bit kernel changes. Mostly the same stuff; just modify GENERIC and follow dmesg. | [14:27] |
| ballen | just remember how to recover
boot kernel.old or whatever it is from the boot loader | [14:27] |
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| up_the_irons | cablehead: omg, Joel finally got back to me and said he'd peer ;)
ironically, I sent out 30 peer requests last night, but not to hiim | [16:47] |
| cablehead | up_the_irons: oh wow
up_the_irons: nice :) | [16:48] |
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| up_the_irons | :) | [17:11] |
| Nat_UB | irons: What's new? | [17:20] |
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| jeev | man i've got a good server i need to colo
but i wanna split it up into VM's, what should i use ? i should learn this kvm stuff, i've only deat with xen i guess maybe i'd be stuck with xen again, i've used the dtc panel by gplhost.com and it's pretty cool but i dont like debian | [18:10] |
| mhoran | Xen is bad news.
Check out KVM. I'm hating my life, thanks to Xen. | [18:13] |
| jeev | yea, i want to use somthing where i could have multiple freebsd vps's | [18:14] |
| Nat_UB | jeev: I'll help ya test a couple. :) | [18:14] |
| jeev | i brought the server up at the office
it's running bsd right now but i assume i have to have it onl inux first hehe Nat_UB i actually need to add more ram first usable memory = 4284665856 (4086 MB) avail memory = 4112187392 (3921 MB) i guess it's not ad bad i dont want to use it for anything hectic and this is for a new POP | [18:15] |
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| mhoran | Hm. | [18:20] |
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| mhoran | up_the_irons: What was that about?
Oh, gone. | [18:20] |
| mike-burns | Yeah! | [18:20] |
| mhoran | Major lag. | [18:22] |
| mike-burns | Couldn't SSH in for a good minute. | [18:22] |
| jeev | maybe he's trying to set up the peering | [18:22] |
| mhoran | 75% packet loss! | [18:22] |
| jeev | SLA! | [18:22] |
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| mhoran | jeev: I'd tell you more about my fun with Xen, but this isn't working. :) | [18:24] |
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| jeev | ah
so give me an idea about kvm can i run it off bsd or dose it have to be linux | [18:26] |
| mhoran | As of now, it's Linux only. | [18:26] |
| jeev | i guess i should read
ahh | [18:26] |
| mhoran | There's been an attempt made to port it to FreeBSD.
However, my FreeBSD VM runs pretty well in KVM (now that we've ironed out some issues with the timer.) | [18:27] |
| Nat_UB | KVM runs rather nicely on Linux now...well supported and documented | [18:27] |
| mhoran | The Xen team is far too fractured, and can't pick something to finish -- they get too interested in the latest and greatest, but never fully polish a feature, so it just doesn't work.
KVM support is integrated into the kernel (which is where the Xen folks would like to be, but they can't get their shit together.) | [18:27] |
| jeev | dunno
makes me nervous to want to use it for production it's a decent server i could split 4 ways | [18:28] |
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| iStormy_WY5Q | up_the_irons: thanks | [19:55] |
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| ballen | ping | [22:12] |
| obsidieth | up_the_irons: you couldnt tell me when the next payment is due could you | [22:21] |
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| up_the_irons | obsidieth: billing is done between the 1st - 5th of every month | [23:47] |
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| ballen | woot beta invite system works, k going to sleep, none of this 6am shit tonight | [23:48] |
| greg_dolley | lol, gn | [23:48] |
| ballen | night | [23:48] |
| up_the_irons | jeev: i use KVM in production, obviously. trust me, it is quite ready. I use Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04 on the host, I recommend that, have had a real good experience
greg_dolley: whoa, you're in here | [23:49] |
| ballen | Garry != Greg? | [23:51] |
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| up_the_irons | ballen: no, greg is my bro | [23:53] |
| jeev | nasty up_the_irons
you use ubunti? cancel me! just kdiding | [23:54] |
| up_the_irons | :) | [23:55] |
| jeev | up_the_irons, your blackberry is vibrating | [23:55] |
| up_the_irons | no crackberry for me | [23:56] |
| jeev | you have an iphone ? | [23:56] |
| up_the_irons | yep | [23:56] |
| jeev | damn
that's two strikes i dunno, i guess i gotta read about kvm if i do it, i'm doing it via slackware. | [23:56] |
| ballen | up_the_irons: well right on
actually going to sleep now, k bye | [23:58] |
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| up_the_irons | ballen|away: l8r
jeev: right on | [23:59] |
| jeev | got anything i could read ?
does it require heavy mods to make it run on bsd ? | [23:59] |
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