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Guest53400 is now known as teknicaL up_the_irons: teknicaL: welcome to #arpnetworks teknicaL: hello =] ballen: up_the_irons: posted a comment here mentioning Arp Networks: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=836238 up_the_irons: you can't get 64-bit counters from SNMP in v1, need v2. I'm glad I got a lot of sleep last night, b/c otherwise it probably woulda taken me a lot longer to figure out why this one new graph of mine isn't working ;) ballen: a little late, but oh well up_the_irons: ballen: hey, still, i appreciate it :) ballen: no prob
I figure your URL with FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and VPS will make for some good SEO
especially on HN up_the_irons: ballen: yeah that's true huh? :) ballen: yea up_the_irons: cd $home teknicaL: Anyone in here care to share their experience running FreeBSD on their VPS? Is it generally fast? One would think that there would be a lot of bottleneck because of the amount of compiling users could be doing on the host. visinin: well
i can only compare it to a slicehost I had
i was paying $20 for both of them ballen: I haven't seen any ideas teknicaL
s/ideas/issues visinin: long story short, the freebsd VPS could compile things more quickly with make -j1 than the slice could with make -j4
the performance has been stellar ballen: yep, my experiance is similar to visinin... actually identical -: ballen was a prior Slicehost customer teknicaL: I've never used slicehost but I have a few linodes. I have tried running OpenBSD on my linode but it wasn't the greatest exp. ballen: yea I've looked into that... seems like it would be a pain in the ass teknicaL: indeed. =x ballen: is Linode using Xen? teknicaL: Yes ballen: ah
yea
Xen + BSD = lame teknicaL: Some older hosts are using UML. ballen: Qemu seems to run BSD quite well
and no worries really about the VPS kernel
if you need a custom kernel for what ever reason thats no biggy teknicaL: I was just curious. I'm probably going to get one, or two. If you're allowed multiple. How much ram do you have? Wonder if it is making any different on performance visinin: my experience, like I said above, is that freeBSD on Qemu/KVM performs *better* than Linux on Xen ***: heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks
heavysixer_ has joined #arpnetworks ballen: I have 768
256 on slicehost
FreeBSD performance on anything is better than Linux ;-) teknicaL: agreed ballen: however on XenServer... BSD perf is wicked slow
like retardedly slow
for whatever reason teknicaL: Xen fail ;) ballen: Citrix Xen uber fail teknicaL: Do you get access to any kind of panel for reboots or anything? ***: heavysixer has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) ballen: uhh good question
I know theres VNC -: ballen goes and checks ***: heavysixer_ has quit IRC (Connection timed out) -: teknicaL waits teknicaL: lol ballen: hmm doesn't look like it
guessing thats something Garry is working on
up_the_irons: VPS reboots from the portal coming soon? teknicaL: Well, at least you know you're paying for the hardware and not someones hard work for a panel like linode.com ballen: yea
hes also working on some nifty live migration stuff
so he can essentially reduce VPS downtime to nil
at least due to maintenance teknicaL: That would be nice
Isn't that a feature of slicehost? ballen: umm, not sure
don't think so
they just never do maintenance teknicaL: lol
A lot of people cbf doing that. =| ballen: seriously never got a scheduled maintenance from them in over two years
they offered to upgrade kernels voluntarily teknicaL: Guess if it isn't broke, don't fix it? ballen: since ArchLinux needed a new kernel
yep
I often take the stance of fix it tills its broken
s/tills/till
up_the_irons: how about some tradsies bandwidth for RAM or another CPU
teknicaL: you can get Cacti graphs of your bandwidth also ***: teknicaL is now known as Element
Element is now known as Guest98752 Guest98752: I don't remember if this is my nickname or not. ;x ballen: i unno ***: Guest98752 is now known as teknicaL teknicaL: teknical used to be registered but it's not. =[ ballen: so register it teknicaL: I did. I am just saddened that it expired. lol ballen: expires after 60 days
of non-use teknicaL: That would explain why it's gone. I haven't been on freenode in about a year. ballen: well thats freenode's policy, not sure how widely they enforce it -: up_the_irons reads the scrollback Rick: yeah stuff expires if you don't keep on it
one of my altnicks expired cos I never had to use it
and when that happened an oper nagged me about not having a registered altnick
;v ballen: anyone see a email confirmation plugin for Sinatra? up_the_irons: ballen: VPS reboots are probably not going to come from the portal, but from a management console. I can in fact give you a preview if you send me your SSH pub key ballen: up_the_irons: coolio, teknicaL was asking about it -: teknicaL hides
ballen yawns ballen: Sinatra should not be called Sinatra.... googling for it is a pain in the ass up_the_irons: ballen: what login name do you prefer for SSH ? ballen: ballen is good up_the_irons: ok
ballen: do you want to try out the serial console feature? (It will require a reboot of your VM) ballen: nope up_the_irons: ok ballen: I'll get it on my next reboot whenever that'll be up_the_irons: sure teknicaL: lol ballen: http://github.com/heycarsten/email-veracity
interesting email validation
seems easier just to mail the person up_the_irons: ballen: test "ssh ballen@console.cust.arpnetworks.com" ballen: works up_the_irons: you get a menu? ballen: yep, neato
of course I'd say that if I just got logged into root of the box up_the_irons: so like, nothing works
hahaha
but you can tunnel VNC over SSH now ballen: woooh... up_the_irons: just hit 't'
'c' - serial console, will work after a reboot ballen: does boot, and shutdown work? up_the_irons: nope ballen: awwww
why not up_the_irons: "[21:58:13] @up_the_irons | so like, nothing works"
:) ballen: also it'd be cool if: ssh -f ballen@console.cust.arpnetworks.com -L 5555:<VNC Server IP>:<VNC Port> -N
filled in the IP and port
so I don't have to go look it up
also why doesn't the VNC server work with Apple's VNC client up_the_irons: ballen: yeah, i think I'll get it to fill those in soon
ballen: the trouble with VNC is that different vendors implemented it differently, so not all clients work with all servers -: ballen makes sad face ballen: JollysFastVNC works though -: teknicaL is on a mac too ballen: fyi up_the_irons: ah cool
i should compile a list ballen: Jollys is really the only 3rd party VNC client needed on a mac
it supports everything
ssh tunneling works well
no more vnc password cleartext snooping up_the_irons: nice
you're tunneling to your VM now? ballen: just closed it
tunnel itself is still up up_the_irons: ah cool, but you're saying it worked, which is nice ballen: yes it works up_the_irons: cool
only other other customer has tried it (also reported success) ballen: cool, yea ssh tunnels are pretty solid
i assume serial console is quite a bit faster than VNC
since VNC is such a waste of bandwidth to send a console up_the_irons: yeah, way faster
but then you have to live with vt100 ;) ballen: fine with me up_the_irons: actually, in /etc/ttys, you can probably change that, but i never tried ballen: meh vt100 is fine
as long as I'm using Terminal on OS X
its no prob up_the_irons: with FreeBSD, you have to change /boot/loader.conf and /etc/ttys, to get all serial functionality. With VNC, "it just works", but higher bandwidth and some clients don't work. so it is a trade off ballen: ah right
what in loader needs changing so I don't break it up_the_irons: # echo 'console="comconsole"' >> /boot/loader.conf ballen: ah k up_the_irons: but keep in mind, once you do that, the loader won't output to the "monitor" (VNC) any more
while getty will run on both the monitor and serial ballen: huh
so which one do you use up_the_irons: I use VNC for customer VMs b/c most people will probably be more familiar with it.
no changes are necessary in the VM, etc... ballen: yea I know that, comconsole or getty up_the_irons: but once i roll out serial console to everyone, i will make the /etc/ttys change by default, so everyone can get a "getty login" over SSH
that's kinda nice, then no one needs a VNC client for most issues
like locking themselves out b/c of networking mistakes teknicaL: I've hardly played around with VNC at all. Don't really see any use for it, tbh. up_the_irons: teknicaL: it's kinda nice to install VMs cuz I just launch VNC and have it boot the installer ISO teknicaL: Ah, well in that case it works out well. In my case, I probably have 0 use for it.
At least I can't really think of any reason I might be needing use for it.
me really doesn't want to do what he has to do for the night. lol up_the_irons: teknicaL: if you bork your networking settings, you'll see why VNC is useful over here ;) At least, until the serial console feature is up teknicaL: I don't plan on it. I may or may not. I haven't used bsd in a while. I've had the linode lish console shell and never once used it. I shouldn't say much more cause it will prob lead me to borking something. mike-burns: Borking it is half the fun! up_the_irons: haha, yeah
lol
ok dudes i gotta go to starbucks before they close, long night head... ;)
bbl ballen: hah
k teknicaL: star schmucks. =x
I haven't had any of their coffee in a while. And if I get back into it, I'm going to have to give up some subscriptions, like this one.
I suppose I should get the rest of my stuff done for the night now that I got my order in. I'm gonna idle here, hope no one cares. Cya all later. ballen: k bye -: up_the_irons is slowly becoming caffeinated up_the_irons: teknicaL: by all means idle, i encourage it, really. i like friends ;) ballen: blah email validation is a pain teknicaL: e-mail validation?
up_the_irons: cool. =] -: up_the_irons thinks teknicaL is procrastinating again ballen: yea the typical signup for a service, get an email with a code, enter the code ***: baklava has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) teknicaL: up_the_irons: you're partially correct. I don't like to work. =[ I'm tried, though, so I am going to finish the rest i the morning before work. It's 3am now, gonna head to bed.
ballen: Oh. I thought you were coding some sort of e-mail validation script or something. yeah, those are typically annoying. Especially on services, such as subscription based ones. up_the_irons: teknicaL: g'night ballen: heh I am coding
need to validate users
email is the easiest way teknicaL: just charge their card 5.00 a pop, they won't spam you anymore. =b ballen: meh, service will be free teknicaL: Damn, I must be tired. I thought the clock said 3am, when it's only 2:34am =x
G'night all. ballen: night up_the_irons: l8r ***: visinin has quit IRC ("sleep")