up_the_irons: thanks, just got the e-mail. are you still around?
ping
teknicaL: welcome to #arpnetworks
hello =]
up_the_irons: posted a comment here mentioning Arp Networks: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=836238
you can't get 64-bit counters from SNMP in v1, need v2.  I'm glad I got a lot of sleep last night, b/c otherwise it probably woulda taken me a lot longer to figure out why this one new graph of mine isn't working ;)
a little late, but oh well
ballen: hey, still, i appreciate it :)
no prob
I figure your URL with FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and VPS will make for some good SEO
especially on HN
ballen: yeah that's true huh? :)
yea
cd $home
Anyone in here care to share their experience running FreeBSD on their VPS?  Is it generally fast?  One would think that there would be a lot of bottleneck because of the amount of compiling users could be doing on the host.
well
i can only compare it to a slicehost I had
i was paying $20 for both of them
I haven't seen any ideas teknicaL
s/ideas/issues
long story short, the freebsd VPS could compile things more quickly with make -j1 than the slice could with make -j4
the performance has been stellar
yep, my experiance is similar to visinin... actually identical
I've never used slicehost but I have a few linodes.  I have tried running OpenBSD on my linode but it wasn't the greatest exp.
yea I've looked into that... seems like it would be a pain in the ass
indeed. =x
is Linode using Xen?
Yes
ah
yea
Xen + BSD = lame
Some older hosts are using UML.
Qemu seems to run BSD quite well
and no worries really about the VPS kernel
if you need a custom kernel for what ever reason thats no biggy
I was just curious.  I'm probably going to get one, or two.  If you're allowed multiple.  How much ram do you have?  Wonder if it is making any different on performance
my experience, like I said above, is that freeBSD on Qemu/KVM performs *better* than Linux on Xen
I have 768
256 on slicehost
FreeBSD performance on anything is better than Linux ;-)
agreed
however on XenServer... BSD perf is wicked slow
like retardedly slow
for whatever reason
Xen fail ;)
Citrix Xen uber fail
Do you get access to any kind of panel for reboots or anything?
uhh good question
I know theres VNC
lol
hmm doesn't look like it
guessing thats something Garry is working on
up_the_irons: VPS reboots from the portal coming soon?
Well, at least you know you're paying for the hardware and not someones hard work for a panel like linode.com
yea
hes also working on some nifty live migration stuff
so he can essentially reduce VPS downtime to nil
at least due to maintenance
That would be nice
Isn't that a feature of slicehost?
umm, not sure
don't think so
they just never do maintenance
lol
A lot of people cbf doing that. =|
seriously never got a scheduled maintenance from them in over two years
they offered to upgrade kernels voluntarily
Guess if it isn't broke, don't fix it?
since ArchLinux needed a new kernel
yep
I often take the stance of fix it tills its broken
s/tills/till
up_the_irons: how about some tradsies bandwidth for RAM or another CPU
teknicaL: you can get Cacti graphs of your bandwidth also
I don't remember if this is my nickname or not.  ;x
i unno
teknical used to be registered but it's not. =[
so register it
I did.  I am just saddened that it expired. lol
expires after 60 days
of non-use
That would explain why it's gone.  I haven't been on freenode in about a year.
well thats freenode's policy, not sure how widely they enforce it
yeah stuff expires if you don't keep on it
one of my altnicks expired cos I never had to use it
and when that happened an oper nagged me about not having a registered altnick
;v
anyone see a email confirmation plugin for Sinatra?
ballen: VPS reboots are probably not going to come from the portal, but from a management console.  I can in fact give you a preview if you send me your SSH pub key
up_the_irons: coolio, teknicaL was asking about it
Sinatra should not be called Sinatra.... googling for it is a pain in the ass
ballen: what login name do you prefer for SSH ?
ballen is good
ok
ballen: do you want to try out the serial console feature? (It will require a reboot of your VM)
nope
ok
I'll get it on my next reboot whenever that'll be
sure
lol
http://github.com/heycarsten/email-veracity
interesting email validation
seems easier just to mail the person
ballen: test "ssh ballen@console.cust.arpnetworks.com"
works
you get a menu?
yep, neato
of course I'd say that if I just got logged into root of the box
so like, nothing works
hahaha
but you can tunnel VNC over SSH now
woooh...
just hit 't'
'c' - serial console, will work after a reboot
does boot, and shutdown work?
nope
awwww
why not
"[21:58:13] @up_the_irons | so like, nothing works"
:)
also it'd be cool if: ssh -f ballen@console.cust.arpnetworks.com -L 5555:<VNC Server IP>:<VNC Port> -N
filled in the IP and port
so I don't have to go look it up
also why doesn't the VNC server work with Apple's VNC client
ballen: yeah, i think I'll get it to fill those in soon
ballen: the trouble with VNC is that different vendors implemented it differently, so not all clients work with all servers
JollysFastVNC works though
fyi
ah cool
i should compile a list
Jollys is really the only 3rd party VNC client needed on a mac
it supports everything
ssh tunneling works well
no more vnc password cleartext snooping
nice
you're tunneling to your VM now?
just closed it
tunnel itself is still up
ah cool, but you're saying it worked, which is nice
yes it works
cool
only other other customer has tried it (also reported success)
cool, yea ssh tunnels are pretty solid
i assume serial console is quite a bit faster than VNC
since VNC is such a waste of bandwidth to send a console
yeah, way faster
but then you have to live with vt100 ;)
fine with me
actually, in /etc/ttys, you can probably change that, but i never tried
meh vt100 is fine
as long as I'm using Terminal on OS X
its no prob
with FreeBSD, you have to change /boot/loader.conf and /etc/ttys, to get all serial functionality.  With VNC, "it just works", but higher bandwidth and some clients don't work.  so it is a trade off
ah right
what in loader needs changing so I don't break it
# echo 'console="comconsole"' >> /boot/loader.conf
ah k
but keep in mind, once you do that, the loader won't output to the "monitor" (VNC) any more
while getty will run on both the monitor and serial
huh
so which one do you use
I use VNC for customer VMs b/c most people will probably be more familiar with it.
no changes are necessary in the VM, etc...
yea I know that, comconsole or getty
but once i roll out serial console to everyone, i will make the /etc/ttys change by default, so everyone can get a "getty login" over SSH
that's kinda nice, then no one needs a VNC client for most issues
like locking themselves out b/c of networking mistakes
I've hardly played around with VNC at all.  Don't really see any use for it, tbh.
teknicaL: it's kinda nice to install VMs cuz I just launch VNC and have it boot the installer ISO
Ah, well in that case it works out well.  In my case, I probably have 0 use for it.
At least I can't really think of any reason I might be needing use for it.
me really doesn't want to do what he has to do for the night. lol
teknicaL: if you bork your networking settings, you'll see why VNC is useful over here ;)  At least, until the serial console feature is up
I don't plan on it.  I may or may not.  I haven't used bsd in a while.  I've had the linode lish console shell and never once used it.  I shouldn't say much more cause it will prob lead me to borking something.
Borking it is half the fun!
haha, yeah
lol
ok dudes i gotta go to starbucks before they close, long night head... ;)
bbl
hah
k
star schmucks. =x
I haven't had any of their coffee in a while.  And if I get back into it, I'm going to have to give up some subscriptions, like this one.
I suppose I should get the rest of my stuff done for the night now that I got my order in.  I'm gonna idle here, hope no one cares. Cya all later.
k bye
teknicaL: by all means idle, i encourage it, really.  i like friends ;)
blah email validation is a pain
e-mail validation?
up_the_irons: cool. =]
yea the typical signup for a service, get an email with a code, enter the code
up_the_irons: you're partially correct.  I don't like to work. =[  I'm tried, though, so I am going to finish the rest i the morning before work.  It's 3am now, gonna head to bed.
ballen: Oh.  I thought you were coding some sort of e-mail validation script or something.  yeah, those are typically annoying.  Especially on services, such as subscription based ones.
teknicaL: g'night
heh I am coding
need to validate users
email is the easiest way
just charge their card 5.00 a pop, they won't spam you anymore. =b
meh, service will be free
Damn, I must be tired.  I thought the clock said 3am, when it's only 2:34am =x
G'night all.
night
l8r