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[11:28] *** cablehead has joined #arpnetworks [13:08] up_the_irons: thanks, just got the e-mail. are you still around? [14:49] *** nuke^ has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [15:04] *** nuke^ has joined #arpnetworks [15:11] *** nuke^ is now known as nuke [16:19] *** heavysixer has quit IRC () [17:30] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [17:43] *** ballen has joined #arpnetworks [18:31] ping [18:42] *** heavysixer has quit IRC () [19:11] *** Element has joined #arpnetworks [19:12] *** Element is now known as Guest53400 [19:12] *** Guest53400 is now known as teknicaL [19:32] teknicaL: welcome to #arpnetworks [19:32] hello =] [19:33] up_the_irons: posted a comment here mentioning Arp Networks: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=836238 [19:33] you can't get 64-bit counters from SNMP in v1, need v2. I'm glad I got a lot of sleep last night, b/c otherwise it probably woulda taken me a lot longer to figure out why this one new graph of mine isn't working ;) [19:33] a little late, but oh well [19:33] ballen: hey, still, i appreciate it :) [19:34] no prob [19:34] I figure your URL with FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and VPS will make for some good SEO [19:34] especially on HN [19:37] ballen: yeah that's true huh? :) [19:37] yea [19:38] cd $home [19:46] Anyone in here care to share their experience running FreeBSD on their VPS? Is it generally fast? One would think that there would be a lot of bottleneck because of the amount of compiling users could be doing on the host. [19:46] well [19:46] i can only compare it to a slicehost I had [19:46] i was paying $20 for both of them [19:46] I haven't seen any ideas teknicaL [19:46] s/ideas/issues [19:47] long story short, the freebsd VPS could compile things more quickly with make -j1 than the slice could with make -j4 [19:47] the performance has been stellar [19:47] yep, my experiance is similar to visinin... actually identical [19:48] * ballen was a prior Slicehost customer [19:48] I've never used slicehost but I have a few linodes. I have tried running OpenBSD on my linode but it wasn't the greatest exp. [19:48] yea I've looked into that... seems like it would be a pain in the ass [19:49] indeed. =x [19:49] is Linode using Xen? [19:49] Yes [19:49] ah [19:49] yea [19:49] Xen + BSD = lame [19:49] Some older hosts are using UML. [19:50] Qemu seems to run BSD quite well [19:50] and no worries really about the VPS kernel [19:50] if you need a custom kernel for what ever reason thats no biggy [19:52] I was just curious. I'm probably going to get one, or two. If you're allowed multiple. How much ram do you have? Wonder if it is making any different on performance [19:55] my experience, like I said above, is that freeBSD on Qemu/KVM performs *better* than Linux on Xen [20:09] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [20:11] *** heavysixer_ has joined #arpnetworks [20:18] I have 768 [20:18] 256 on slicehost [20:18] FreeBSD performance on anything is better than Linux ;-) [20:20] agreed [20:20] however on XenServer... BSD perf is wicked slow [20:21] like retardedly slow [20:21] for whatever reason [20:22] Xen fail ;) [20:22] Citrix Xen uber fail [20:26] Do you get access to any kind of panel for reboots or anything? [20:26] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [20:27] uhh good question [20:27] I know theres VNC [20:27] * ballen goes and checks [20:28] *** heavysixer_ has quit IRC (Connection timed out) [20:30] * teknicaL waits [20:30] lol [20:30] hmm doesn't look like it [20:31] guessing thats something Garry is working on [20:31] up_the_irons: VPS reboots from the portal coming soon? [20:31] Well, at least you know you're paying for the hardware and not someones hard work for a panel like linode.com [20:31] yea [20:31] hes also working on some nifty live migration stuff [20:32] so he can essentially reduce VPS downtime to nil [20:32] at least due to maintenance [20:32] That would be nice [20:32] Isn't that a feature of slicehost? [20:33] umm, not sure [20:33] don't think so [20:33] they just never do maintenance [20:33] lol [20:33] A lot of people cbf doing that. =| [20:33] seriously never got a scheduled maintenance from them in over two years [20:34] they offered to upgrade kernels voluntarily [20:34] Guess if it isn't broke, don't fix it? [20:34] since ArchLinux needed a new kernel [20:34] yep [20:35] I often take the stance of fix it tills its broken [20:35] s/tills/till [20:38] up_the_irons: how about some tradsies bandwidth for RAM or another CPU [20:39] teknicaL: you can get Cacti graphs of your bandwidth also [21:12] *** teknicaL is now known as Element [21:12] *** Element is now known as Guest98752 [21:12] I don't remember if this is my nickname or not. ;x [21:13] i unno [21:13] *** Guest98752 is now known as teknicaL [21:13] teknical used to be registered but it's not. =[ [21:14] so register it [21:14] I did. I am just saddened that it expired. lol [21:15] expires after 60 days [21:15] of non-use [21:15] That would explain why it's gone. I haven't been on freenode in about a year. [21:16] well thats freenode's policy, not sure how widely they enforce it [21:24] * up_the_irons reads the scrollback [21:24] yeah stuff expires if you don't keep on it [21:24] one of my altnicks expired cos I never had to use it [21:24] and when that happened an oper nagged me about not having a registered altnick [21:25] ;v [21:31] anyone see a email confirmation plugin for Sinatra? [21:37] ballen: VPS reboots are probably not going to come from the portal, but from a management console. I can in fact give you a preview if you send me your SSH pub key [21:38] up_the_irons: coolio, teknicaL was asking about it [21:39] * teknicaL hides [21:44] * ballen yawns [21:45] Sinatra should not be called Sinatra.... googling for it is a pain in the ass [21:45] ballen: what login name do you prefer for SSH ? [21:45] ballen is good [21:45] ok [21:48] ballen: do you want to try out the serial console feature? (It will require a reboot of your VM) [21:49] nope [21:49] ok [21:49] I'll get it on my next reboot whenever that'll be [21:49] sure [21:49] lol [21:52] http://github.com/heycarsten/email-veracity [21:52] interesting email validation [21:52] seems easier just to mail the person [22:00] ballen: test "ssh ballen@console.cust.arpnetworks.com" [22:01] works [22:01] you get a menu? [22:01] yep, neato [22:01] of course I'd say that if I just got logged into root of the box [22:01] so like, nothing works [22:01] hahaha [22:01] but you can tunnel VNC over SSH now [22:02] woooh... [22:02] just hit 't' [22:02] 'c' - serial console, will work after a reboot [22:02] does boot, and shutdown work? [22:02] nope [22:03] awwww [22:03] why not [22:03] "[21:58:13] @up_the_irons | so like, nothing works" [22:03] :) [22:03] also it'd be cool if: ssh -f ballen@console.cust.arpnetworks.com -L 5555:: -N [22:03] filled in the IP and port [22:04] so I don't have to go look it up [22:05] also why doesn't the VNC server work with Apple's VNC client [22:07] ballen: yeah, i think I'll get it to fill those in soon [22:07] ballen: the trouble with VNC is that different vendors implemented it differently, so not all clients work with all servers [22:08] * ballen makes sad face [22:08] JollysFastVNC works though [22:08] * teknicaL is on a mac too [22:08] fyi [22:08] ah cool [22:08] i should compile a list [22:08] Jollys is really the only 3rd party VNC client needed on a mac [22:09] it supports everything [22:09] ssh tunneling works well [22:09] no more vnc password cleartext snooping [22:10] nice [22:10] you're tunneling to your VM now? [22:10] just closed it [22:10] tunnel itself is still up [22:10] ah cool, but you're saying it worked, which is nice [22:10] yes it works [22:10] cool [22:11] only other other customer has tried it (also reported success) [22:11] cool, yea ssh tunnels are pretty solid [22:12] i assume serial console is quite a bit faster than VNC [22:12] since VNC is such a waste of bandwidth to send a console [22:12] yeah, way faster [22:12] but then you have to live with vt100 ;) [22:13] fine with me [22:13] actually, in /etc/ttys, you can probably change that, but i never tried [22:13] meh vt100 is fine [22:13] as long as I'm using Terminal on OS X [22:13] its no prob [22:14] with FreeBSD, you have to change /boot/loader.conf and /etc/ttys, to get all serial functionality. With VNC, "it just works", but higher bandwidth and some clients don't work. so it is a trade off [22:14] ah right [22:14] what in loader needs changing so I don't break it [22:15] # echo 'console="comconsole"' >> /boot/loader.conf [22:15] ah k [22:15] but keep in mind, once you do that, the loader won't output to the "monitor" (VNC) any more [22:16] while getty will run on both the monitor and serial [22:16] huh [22:16] so which one do you use [22:18] I use VNC for customer VMs b/c most people will probably be more familiar with it. [22:18] no changes are necessary in the VM, etc... [22:18] yea I know that, comconsole or getty [22:19] but once i roll out serial console to everyone, i will make the /etc/ttys change by default, so everyone can get a "getty login" over SSH [22:19] that's kinda nice, then no one needs a VNC client for most issues [22:19] like locking themselves out b/c of networking mistakes [22:19] I've hardly played around with VNC at all. Don't really see any use for it, tbh. [22:20] teknicaL: it's kinda nice to install VMs cuz I just launch VNC and have it boot the installer ISO [22:22] Ah, well in that case it works out well. In my case, I probably have 0 use for it. [22:23] At least I can't really think of any reason I might be needing use for it. [22:23] me really doesn't want to do what he has to do for the night. lol [22:24] teknicaL: if you bork your networking settings, you'll see why VNC is useful over here ;) At least, until the serial console feature is up [22:27] I don't plan on it. I may or may not. I haven't used bsd in a while. I've had the linode lish console shell and never once used it. I shouldn't say much more cause it will prob lead me to borking something. [22:27] Borking it is half the fun! [22:27] haha, yeah [22:27] lol [22:27] ok dudes i gotta go to starbucks before they close, long night head... ;) [22:27] bbl [22:28] hah [22:28] k [22:28] star schmucks. =x [22:29] I haven't had any of their coffee in a while. And if I get back into it, I'm going to have to give up some subscriptions, like this one. [22:30] I suppose I should get the rest of my stuff done for the night now that I got my order in. I'm gonna idle here, hope no one cares. Cya all later. [22:31] k bye [23:02] * up_the_irons is slowly becoming caffeinated [23:02] teknicaL: by all means idle, i encourage it, really. i like friends ;) [23:12] blah email validation is a pain [23:23] e-mail validation? [23:23] up_the_irons: cool. =] [23:24] * up_the_irons thinks teknicaL is procrastinating again [23:24] yea the typical signup for a service, get an email with a code, enter the code [23:25] *** baklava has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [23:30] up_the_irons: you're partially correct. I don't like to work. =[ I'm tried, though, so I am going to finish the rest i the morning before work. It's 3am now, gonna head to bed. [23:30] ballen: Oh. I thought you were coding some sort of e-mail validation script or something. yeah, those are typically annoying. Especially on services, such as subscription based ones. [23:30] teknicaL: g'night [23:31] heh I am coding [23:31] need to validate users [23:31] email is the easiest way [23:32] just charge their card 5.00 a pop, they won't spam you anymore. =b [23:32] meh, service will be free [23:34] Damn, I must be tired. I thought the clock said 3am, when it's only 2:34am =x [23:34] G'night all. [23:34] night [23:35] l8r [23:41] *** visinin has quit IRC ("sleep")